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    Luke Sims

    With less than a week before the March 8 trade deadline, we’re starting to get some clarity on the Minnesota Wild’s plans. The Athletic recently reported that the Wild could shop Brandon Duhaime and Connor Dewar

    The Wild are six points out of a playoff spot. They were 7-1-1 before losing to the Carolina Hurricanes, but Minnesota still may miss the postseason. The Wild have not said they are ready to give up on the season and still have options at the deadline. 

    We just saw the Calgary Flames, a team in a similar position to Minnesota, trade Chris Tanev to the Dallas Stars for a second and third-round pick and a minor prospect. It was a solid deal for both sides that signals the Flames have realized they are unlikely to make the postseason. They are five points out of the playoffs and are unlikely to go on a run if they qualify. 

    The Wild could also serve as brokers for a trade between two other teams like they did in the Dmitry Orlov and Ryan O’Reilly deals last season. After placing Jared Spurgeon on IR, they could be in this position again with newfound cap space. 

    Regardless of whether the Wild decide to buy, they have some players they are reportedly willing to move. Duhaime and Dewar seem to be on the trade block. Duhaime is not likely to re-sign in the offseason. Dewar will be an unrestricted free agent, but with all the prospects coming up for the Wild, Dewar may be the odd man out. 

    It looks like a seller’s market at the deadline; prices for complementary players seem to be higher. In addition to Calgary’s deal with Dallas, the Winnipeg Jets sent the Montreal Canadiens a first-round pick for Sean Monahan.

    The Wild reportedly could get a nice package for Duhaime because there’s a healthy market for him. Duhaime would be a solid addition to any team's bottom six. He brings energy, works on the penalty kill, and is unafraid to drop the gloves -- a true playoff-type player. 

    Dewar and Duhaime are similar players. Duhaime is rougher and rowdier than Dewar, but both could fill similar roles on a playoff team. Neither are known for their scoring ability. Duhaime only has seven points on the year, and Dewar only has 12. But any team that trades for them likely isn’t looking for them to score goals. 

    If we look back at some comparable players teams moved at the deadline, the Wild are in a good position to receive good value for the Deweys. With the typical surge pricing at the deadline, Duhaime and Dewar could fetch more assets than similar players have in the past. 

    Bill Guerin got a second-round pick from the Arizona Coyotes for prospect Jack McBain, who was never going to sign with Minnesota. Guerin also got a second-rounder for Jordan Greenway. The Wild used that pick to take Riley Heidt, who leads the WHL in scoring. It would not be the first time Guerin could get surplus value from his assets at the trade deadline. 

    Duhaime reminds me of a lot of Sam Lafferty. The Toronto Maple Leafs traded Lafferty to the Vancouver Canucks in early October. Lafferty has 21 points this season and plays mostly in a bottom-six role for Vancouver, who acquired for a fifth-round pick. 

    Minnesota made a similar trade with the Detroit Red Wings last year. The Wild traded a fourth-round pick to Detroit for Oskar Sundqvist, a large bottom-six penalty killer. Vancouver also traded Curtis Lazar, another bottom-six player, to the New Jersey Devils for a fourth-rounder. Lazar is good on the kill and can chip in some offense as a physical player in the bottom six. 

    But Brendan Lemieux may be the perfect comparable for Duhaime. Both are bottom-six tough guys who play on the penalty kill and bring speed and energy. In 2021, the New York Rangers traded Lemuiex to the Los Angeles Kings for a fourth-round pick. 

    The Wild will likely get a fourth-round pick for Duhaime or Dewar. Maybe they could get a B-level prospect comparable to a fourth-rounder, or perhaps it’s a package like a fifth and a prospect. Either way, the price of players like Dewar and Duhaime doesn’t seem to be much more than a mid-round pick. 

    If there’s a large market for Duhaime and a bidding war for his services, the price could climb as high as a second-rounder. Getting more than that would be a pipe dream and a steal for the Wild. 

    Fans will miss the Deweys for all the fun times they brought on and off the ice, but the Wild would be wise to get value while they can. Minnesota isn’t in a position to make a playoff push. Given the proposed interest the Wild are getting for their services, they need to do what is best for their future and say some tough goodbyes.

    All stats and data via Evolving Hockey, HockeyDB, and CapFriendly unless otherwise noted.

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    I wouldn't be impressed with 4th rounders, but who says we need them in the 2024 draft? 

    I'd be willing to get 2026 2nd rounders when some of our kids have already moved up to the NHL level. 

    Typically, each year out gets you one round better. So, you'd have to wait, but you'd get the better selection. What kinds of teams might do this?

    Teams where they don't have much assets the next 2 years in draft capital. Teams that have come out of nowhere this year and are not particularly deep for a playoff run. 

    At least, if I were Shooter, this is where I'd target. The other option is trying to pick off a prospect they really liked in the last 2 drafts. These would be guys who aren't near ready yet and may still be playing in jrs.

    Also, one other item, while this article focuses on Duhaime and Dewar, what are we going to do with Firstov?

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    "Dewar and Duhaime are similar players."

    Disagree.  Duhaime is a smaller less effective version of Foligno, with a similar inability to make hockey plays.  The Lafferty 5th rounder compare has managed expectations.  Now I think we should be happy for a return above a 4th for Duhaime.  A 4th rounder is the expectation at this point.

    Dewar is smaller but much more equipped to make hockey plays (aka offense).  Given the flashes he's shown and his youth I'd like to keep him for one more year.  See what he can do next season, trading him at next years TDL if he's expendable.

     

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    7 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    "Dewar and Duhaime are similar players."

    Disagree.  Duhaime is a smaller less effective version of Foligno, with a similar inability to make hockey plays.  The Lafferty 5th rounder compare has managed expectations.  Now I think we should be happy for a return above a 4th for Duhaime.  A 4th rounder is the expectation at this point.

    Yeah, Duhaime is also 2 years older. Dewar potentially still has some development ahead, and playing him with Shaw and/or Khusnutdinov could deliver better results than he gets with Duhaime.

    Duhaime was a 4th round pick and a low skill guy, so a 4th rounder for him now seems reasonably good. Dewar was a 3rd round pick with some skill and I wouldn't let him go for less than a 3rd rounder as a return.

    Dewar is definitely more valuable for the Wild, and I'd like to see him on the ice with Mason Shaw again, but if they get offered a 2nd rounder for Dewar, the Wild have enough talent in their prospect pool that I'd probably have to let him go for that return.

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    2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Yeah, Duhaime is also 2 years older. Dewar potentially still has some development ahead, and playing him with Shaw and/or Khusnutdinov could deliver better results than he gets with Duhaime.

    Duhaime was a 4th round pick and a low skill guy, so a 4th rounder for him now seems reasonably good. Dewar was a 3rd round pick with some skill and I wouldn't let him go for less than a 3rd rounder as a return.

    Dewar is definitely more valuable for the Wild, and I'd like to see him on the ice with Mason Shaw again, but if they get offered a 2nd rounder for Dewar, the Wild have enough talent in their prospect pool that I'd probably have to let him go for that return.

    All true.

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    Are we really in a bargaining position? Teams know we need to make room for the next Fedorov and Konstantinov that are coming. BG has a history of taking whatever is offered and hope for the best. 

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    Maybe the coach shouldn’t come out before the  biggest game of season and say it’s not a big deal. They have lots of games to go. Yeah go win 5 more games then every team your chasing  with 20 to go . Ridiculous.  Then to have hey Anthony , talk about how every wild player has had the best season and they can  do things no other nhl player can do is even more ridiculous. Listening to the  blatant pr machine of walz while watching a bunch of babies who don’t want to work or get hit is so Minnesota hockey . Just ridiculous! 
        They need to clean house on some of these low character players who don’t feel the need to show up for games. They need to bring in some size because they just can’t hang with bigger teams. Like the whole central division . I’m glad Marat is coming and hope he’s good but another 5’9 guy isn’t what this team needs.  They can’t defend the middle or get to the middle. They can’t even defend themselves let alone their teammates.  This so called speed team can’t beat strength.  There’s nothing wrong with smaller players but a team of them is . 

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    1 minute ago, Dean said:

    Maybe the coach shouldn’t come out before the  biggest game of season and say it’s not a big deal. They have lots of games to go. 

    I mean I get why he was doing it. Obviously you don't want guys to grip their sticks too tightly just because its a big game. It is definitely a bad look when they don't show up to play playoff hockey in essentially a playoff atmosphere after you downplay the importance though. 

    Turns out they haven't tuned out Hynes! 

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    Nashville has zero guys under 5'11". Dallas, zero under 5'11". Winnipeg, one guy @ 5'11", zero under 5'11. STL has three under 5'11" one is Torey Krug, who's kinda a unicorn on defense like Spurge.

    The Wild have 8 players 5'11" or smaller. Not sure if that seems like an obvious theme to you guys, but it's worth pointing out given MN can't handle any of those teams.

     

    Is Dewar or Duhaime putting the Wild over the top? Probably not. Is there a market for those guys? Maybe, but is it gonna net a huge gain? I too think Dewar can fit in the long-term. We'll see what Knudi can do in North America, but do the Wild intend to win a Cup beating big teams like Vegas with 90% NA players and just one guy under 5'11"??? The cap penalties are a handicap, but it's painfully clear the Wild are small and easy to push around. When they shrivel up or throw in the towel mentally, does it really surprise anyone? There's some guts and toughness on the Wild roster but it's not enough to overcome the obvious.

     

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    12 minutes ago, Protec said:

    Nashville has zero guys under 5'11". Dallas, zero under 5'11". Winnipeg, one guy @ 5'11", zero under 5'11. STL has three under 5'11" one is Torey Krug, who's kinda a unicorn on defense like Spurge.

    The Wild have 8 players 5'11" or smaller. Not sure if that seems like an obvious theme to you guys, but it's worth pointing out given MN can't handle any of those teams.

    You aren't measuring these teams equally, so it's hard to know what to make of it.

    For other teams, you include only guys under 5'11". For the Wild, you include all guys 5'11" and under. The Wild had a bad game against Nashville in this one, but played decently against them in the other 2 games. The goal differential for Wild vs. Nashville on the season is 10-9 in favor of Nashville.

    Nashville has 4 players 5'11 or shorter. It's certainly true that the Wild have more.

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    Honestly, Duhaime has been putting on a masterclass of how to be a guy who want's to move to a contender.

    1. Stories in the press about how great of a locker room guy he is (see: Athletic article on Wild player polls)
    2. Being the only player on the ice the past couple games who's looked like they've gived a damn (dude is on a point-per-game pace the past two games)
    3. Log solid time on the kill
    4. Skate your ass off at all times

    Sounds like the scouts for a number of clubs have been to Wild games the past couple.  The way the guy has been playing the past couple weeks, he's definitely been noticeable in a good way.

    Maybe I'm setting myself up for a disappointment...

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    I do get why coach was saying the Nashville game wasn’t a big deal. It makes sense for a normal team but not one that is always looking for an excuse. Nashville canceled a u2 team concert because they were losing a lot. Now they are on a heater. The wild don’t give any effort for 20 games and they get to go on vacation, cancel practices and skip morning skates .  This is the entitled team coach is dealing with. So don’t help them with excuses. 
        One of the problems I’ve seen this year is Freddy s contract is really going to hurt team next 4 years . He is taking opportunities away from others because of that contract. He has been given More opportunities than any wild player in history of franchise. No other player has been given more un earned opportunities than him and he’s not done anything with it . He’s played 1st 2nd 3rd 4th line center and wing for years now and hasn’t found a line he helps. He makes every line he’s on worse and yet because of his contract he’s taking that opportunity from others to do his job better . If he was on a two way or league min then coach would bench he or send to minors. Because of that contract coach now has to figure out something for him to do because Billy signed him . Not because he’s good at his job.  4 more years of Freddy’s line sucks 

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    Why the Wild won't make the playoffs this year, in one sentence:

    Their current record against the top four teams in the Central (DAL - WPG - COL - NSH) is 1-9-0.

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    It is very good discussion on what we can get for Dewers. But when I look at our roster not sure if it is mater much.

    maybe I am wrong but to me we have very good first line, we have very good but aging Zuccarello, we have young Rossi who I think reach his ceiling (I really hope I wrong here). And we have Folino who are proving what he can for not big and not physical Wild team. 

    after this everyone else is expendable replaceable. I understand  we cannot have 20 + players being star but to be team in conversations we need 3-4 bigger players, and at least 2 more skill players.

    can this done? With contracts we were given unlikely. The best bet move Hartman/Freddy to 4th line and build second (maybe partially) and third with prospects (don’t see any options for trades).

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    3 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    You aren't measuring these teams equally, so it's hard to know what to make of it.

    For other teams, you include only guys under 5'11". For the Wild, you include all guys 5'11" and under. The Wild had a bad game against Nashville in this one, but played decently against them in the other 2 games. The goal differential for Wild vs. Nashville on the season is 10-9 in favor of Nashville.

    Nashville has 4 players 5'11 or shorter. It's certainly true that the Wild have more.

    Just using that as a breakpoint. Equal to or greater than VS. equal to and less than. The Wild are NOT a big, strong, fast team that wins draws and has good special teams. They're not the worst in the league perhaps, but they're a small, average team in many metrics, that get pushed around. They can't defend as well against a bigger team. The 8 seconds later goal last night was a great example. Lose the draw. NSH forwards win all the physical battles and they hammer in a greasy one, while the Wild players appear shocked.

    It's time, in my opinion to admit this year is lost. Sure there's games to play out but the situation is pretty hopeless if your ultimate goal is a Cup. Guerin himself said a round one win is not the ultimate goal. It looks like the WIld won't even reach round one to lose.

    2 hours ago, bisopher said:

    Why the Wild won't make the playoffs this year, in one sentence:

    Their current record against the top four teams in the Central (DAL - WPG - COL - NSH) is 1-9-0.

    100% agree. This is the coffin nail for the Wild. Who cares if you can beat Boston or FL for a few wins. The chances of MN winning a series against a Central team is near zero.

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    45 minutes ago, Protec said:

    The 8 seconds later goal last night was a great example. Lose the draw. NSH forwards win all the physical battles and they hammer in a greasy one, while the Wild players appear shocked.

    If I remember right, didn't they have a similar issues with face off against Dallas last year?

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    The players know what a beat down they’re facing on any given night better than any of us. My guess is that’s why some of the secondary players on the Wild coast around a lot. I think management has tried hard to build a tough team but the bigger skilled guys cost more money. We have some small tough guys, a couple big not too skilled guys and we have Ek. 

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    12 hours ago, Protec said:

    Just using that as a breakpoint. Equal to or greater than VS. equal to and less than. The Wild are NOT a big, strong, fast team that wins draws and has good special teams. They're not the worst in the league perhaps, but they're a small, average team in many metrics, that get pushed around. They can't defend as well against a bigger team. The 8 seconds later goal last night was a great example. Lose the draw. NSH forwards win all the physical battles and they hammer in a greasy one, while the Wild players appear shocked.

    It's time, in my opinion to admit this year is lost. Sure there's games to play out but the situation is pretty hopeless if your ultimate goal is a Cup. Guerin himself said a round one win is not the ultimate goal. It looks like the WIld won't even reach round one to lose.

    While these things are true, I am not against the smaller roster. The main trouble is the way the Wild play, they get in these funks where they are perimeter only. We've got to start playing down the middle. Perhaps this is a problem with the coaching change in the middle of the season.

    Essentially, Heinzy was pretty much forced to use Evason's system and make minor tweaks. It won't be until training camp where he can implement his own system....if he lasts that far. There is a very serious chance that the Pens miss the playoffs, and if that happens, it could be the end to Mike Sullivan over there. I believe if Sully becomes available, Guerin scoops him up quickly. My speculation is that Heinzy will be moved upstairs in a quasi-promotion, but will remain with the team. I believe Guerin likes his hockey mind. I could see him as AGM and over Iowa. 

    I know I get kidded a lot about bulking up, but that is the reality with the players we've got. With so many shorter players, they have to be strong to get through traffic, compete in the dirty areas, etc... But, yet, they're coming in at 170-180. That won't get it done. They need to be short little tanks, take advantage of the lower center of gravity and be able to dart in and out like sports cars. It's not terrible to have a shorter team if they can do that.

    Yet, our shorter/smaller team is not fast, nor particularly experts at edges. There's far too many button hooks once the zone is entered. There's very little taking it to the net. And they do get bounced around way too often. Strength/weight will conquer some of that, but it's the combination of this + edge work. Quite honestly we need a lot of speed which we don't have in all directions of the compass + strength to compete and not get knocked around. 

    That is why I was pleased to see that Dino had grown 2" and put on at least 11 lbs. That is why I was pleased to see the same from Petrovsky. There's not much difference in 5'11" and 6', even in reach. But, those 5'11" guys can easily get under 6'-6'2" guys and knock them around. I think where the real comparison should have been in Protec's model is in the weight class area. The question would be, how many guys are playing >200 lbs. We don't have many of those guys.

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    19 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

    Honestly, Duhaime has been putting on a masterclass of how to be a guy who want's to move to a contender.

    1. Stories in the press about how great of a locker room guy he is (see: Athletic article on Wild player polls)
    2. Being the only player on the ice the past couple games who's looked like they've gived a damn (dude is on a point-per-game pace the past two games)
    3. Log solid time on the kill
    4. Skate your ass off at all times

    Sounds like the scouts for a number of clubs have been to Wild games the past couple.  The way the guy has been playing the past couple weeks, he's definitely been noticeable in a good way.

    Maybe I'm setting myself up for a disappointment...

    Russo say's quite a few teams are interested. He also mentioned (not sounding very confident) how he hopes BG will leverage that, parroting something I've been saying for a couple years now.

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