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  • The Wild Will Regress If They Can't Improve Their Anemic Offense


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    Tom Schreier

    Even at the tail-end of a seven-game win streak that probably saved John Hynes’ job, the Minnesota Wild can’t help but lose to one of the worst teams in the league for the past 15 years.

    In their last four games heading into tonight’s matchup with the Edmonton Oilers, the Wild: 

    • Beat the Winnipeg Jets 3-0.
    • Scraped by the Chicago Blackhawks 4-3 in overtime. 
    • Had a cathartic 3-2 shootout win over the Colorado Avalanche.
    • Lost to the Buffalo Sabres 3-2 in a shootout, snapping their seven-game winning streak.

    It’s easy to focus on the positives. Jesper Wallstedt had a shutout in Winnipeg, and the Wild beat a divisional foe who had won nine straight games against them! Colorado has more points than any other team in the league! Kirill Kaprizov is an Avs killer, Matt Boldy is looking like Robin to Kaprizov’s Batman, and Brock Faber is scoring again!

    That’s all well and good, but consider that the San Jose Sharks have beaten the Wild twice this year, including immediately before Minnesota’s seven-game win streak. They’re a bubble team looking to break out of their rebuild phase. Chicago also nearly took one from the Wild. 

    Teams like the Sharks and Blackhawks tanked rather than rebuild, sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the first round, as the Wild did during the worst of their cap penalties. San Jose and Chicago are led by dynamic superstars, Macklin Celebrini and Connor Bedard, and they will likely have more dynamic talent come up through their system because they’ve been drafting higher than the Wild.

    Chicago eliminated the Wild in the second round of the playoffs in 2013-14 and 2014-15. San Jose represented the Western Conference in the 2015-16 season. Once they realized that their old cores had aged out, they tanked and rebuilt while the Wild dithered in the first round with no chance to truly contend because of the Zach Parise, Ryan Suter buyout penalties.

    The Blackhawks and Sharks likely will be waiting for the Wild by the end of Bill Guerin’s five-year plan, threatening to eliminate them from the playoffs as bona fide contenders.

    What about the Sabres? They haven’t made the postseason since 2010-11, and they have the fewest points in the Eastern Conference this year. The Wild chalked that loss up to an emotional letdown after beating Colorado the day before.

    “It’s hard I think from a mental aspect, but that’s the challenge in this league to come from a game where there’s hype before the game, two of the best teams, two of the hottest teams in the league, and you’re amped up and then the next time you gotta play a team that doesn’t look good in the standings,” Nico Sturm said after losing to Buffalo.

    “But as you saw today, there’s no easy teams in the NHL. We all know that, but that’s a challenge in this league to show up 24 hours or less sometimes when your emotions come from the highest highs to the lowest lows. 

    There’s no easy teams in the NHL, but there are teams that win more often than they lose and vice versa. Then there’s the Wild, perpetually stuck in the middle. 

    They can tell themselves that they’re on the Avs’ level after beating them in a shootout to win their seventh-straight game. But they’re not. Colorado scores 4.12 goals per game and gives up 2.08 – that’s a winning formula.

    Meanwhile, Minnesota scores 2.85 goals per game, slightly more than the Philadelphia Flyers (2.83), San Jose Sharks (2.81), and Columbus Blue Jackets (2.80). The New York Islanders and Detroit Red Wings (2.88) score more than the Wild. So do the Vancouver Canucks, Utah Mammoth, and Buffalo Sabres [italics] (2.96). 

    Philadelphia, Columbus, and Buffalo are some of the worst teams in hockey. The rest reside on the bubble with Minnesota. The Wild may have won seven straight, but they’re only a .500 team now (14-7-5, or 14-12 in other sports). They’re likely nothing more than a bubble team and probably will lose in the first round again. 

    Even if the Wild win a playoff series this year, they don’t look like a true contender. Their stellar goaltending is masking their lack of scoring. Marcus Johansson is their third-leading scorer, and he’s 35, liable to regress, and shouldn’t be part of Guerin’s five-year plan. Faber is their next-highest leading scorer.

    Losing to Buffalo isn’t a mystery or a fluke. It’s the product of Minnesota’s lack of offense and a harbinger for what’s to come. Cathartic victories and epic letdowns. The Wild can beat anyone on any given night, but they can also lose ot the worst teams in the league. They’re not talented enough to sustain success.

    The Wild are always stuck in the middle because they refuse to leave it.

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    Hmmm...  I don't believe a team has to tank for several years to be good in the future.  If that was the case then teams wouldn't be stuck in the cellar for decades.   It also wouldn't explain how some teams seem to find ways to be competitive contenders almost every year.  

    I would argue that recognition of potential talent and ability to harness that talent plays a much larger role in being an annual contender than higher draft picks.  

     

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    Come on Tom.  

    The Wild may have won seven straight, but they’re only a .500 team now (14-7-5, or 14-12 in other sports)

    You do know that is good for being tied with the 5th best points percentage in the league?

    Philadelphia, Columbus, and Buffalo are some of the worst teams in hockey. 

    Philadelphia is tied for 8th in points percentage and Columbus is 16th, I would not call them the worst teams in hockey.

    Meanwhile, Minnesota scores 2.85 goals per game, slightly more than the Philadelphia Flyers (2.83), San Jose Sharks (2.81), and Columbus Blue Jackets (2.80). The New York Islanders and Detroit Red Wings (2.88) score more than the Wild. So do the Vancouver Canucks, Utah Mammoth, and Buffalo Sabres [italics] (2.96). 

    Sure, we sit at 25th in goals for per game, but since the Utah game, or the last 17 games, we are 12th in goals per game played and 4th in goal differential.  Also, there is more to the game than just goals per game.  Toronto is 6th in goals per game and sits at 27th in points percentage.

    The Wild can beat anyone on any given night, but they can also lose to the worst teams in the league.

    Yes, the Wild lost in OT to Buffalo where the game tying goal was a fluke.  The Wild have played 6 games against teams with a .500 points percentage or lower this year and are 4-1-1 for nine points. It's the NHL. Good teams lose to bad teams sometimes.  Dallas has played 7 games against the same teams and is 4-2-1 for nine points.

     

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    What happened to the phrase:  "Defense wins championships".  This team needs depth scoring  and defense to win.  I still think we are short 2 high end wingers for the top 6 to really be cup contenders.  But whoever we bring in... they must adhere to our defense first mentality.  It is how we are built.

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    "Tom Schreier article"

    "Pessimistic view of a team getting points in 11 games because they didn't tank and kept their defense first veterans"

    Yeah, checks out.

    I hate to keep bringing this up, but no one is expecting Mojo or Zuccarello to keep up their paces.  No one is saying the Wild are world beaters every day or can go toe to toe with the "TRULY DYNAMIC CONNOR BEDARD WHO CAN DO NO WRONG JUST ASK ESPN GOBBLE GOBBLE!" The same team the Wild "stole a win from?"

    But uh...who just beat the Avs and Jets?  For a team who couldn't buy wins against those teams, they "played them at the right time" and won...so feh.  Utah was totally supposed to be so much better.  Isn't looking that way either.

    Enjoy the ride.  If the team wanted to regress and suck, they would have done that by now.  Still might, but I like seeing the Wild in 3rd place rather than 8th. 

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    I've mentioned before that we don't have a legit 2nd line.  Or more to the point.. we don't have 6 players that are legit top 6.  Yurov has played well and Zuc is proving that he can still play.  What happens if we move Rossi to wing when he returns.  Kirill, Yurov, Zuc / Rossi, Ek, Boldy is not a bad top 6....Is that a legit top 6 lineup?  It's close... or more to the point... getting close.

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    Also, Jets lost Hellebuyck.  So what?  Every team is injured, and this team is no exception.  You play teams when you play them, and win or lose.  The Wild are 6-8 points clear of the bubble, which is more than I could say for the vaunted Hawks and Sharks.

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    6 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I've mentioned before that we don't have a legit 2nd line.  Or more to the point.. we don't have 6 players that are legit top 6.  Yurov has played well and Zuc is proving that he can still play.  What happens if we move Rossi to wing when he returns.  Kirill, Yurov, Zuc / Rossi, Ek, Boldy is not a bad top 6....Is that a legit top 6 lineup?  It's close... or more to the point... getting close.

    Interesting idea...

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    nothing more than a bubble team hmm 🤔

    Wild have a top goalie tandem

    Great D core (minus Jiri) - spurge is back to being spurge, Zeev will get better and far ass have played better!

    They have 1 superstar and 1 soon-to-be superstar and possibly a selke candidate 

    They again had Injuries to top 6 that messed with rhythm but are projected to still come in at 105 pt total

    any other division other than Central - then I think we are favorites to get to R2 but we are likely to match Stars …. but I think there is going to be a boost to us via trade* this year and that’ll even out the odds for R1 battle

    *while I don’t think we necessary should trade Rossi - I think he will be the one to go out as he has more value than Ohgren and any of our other prospects (besides the core 3 - Zeev, Wally & Yurov) 

    Tuch? Buch? ROR? And please Waive Vlady  (Maybe ROR could be had w just Ohgren and then we slide Rossi to Wing)

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    4 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Yurov probably gets moved to wing before Rossi does (hello there faceoff percentage), but I get the point.

    I wouldn't mind seeing a line of Kirill, Yurov and Rossi.  Where Rossi takes the face offs but Yurov plays the center role.  As fast as Yurov is learning he may get better at the dot as the season goes on as well.  Rossi can score... and this team seems to get most of the scoring done by the wings simply by team design.  

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    4 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

    Rossi never played wing during his whole hockey life

    Are you insinuating that Rossi could not play wing?  I've always thought center was the harder of the two positions to play.  

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    I think things will pick up a bit.  I actually like some of the bottom 6 minutes now that Sturm is back.  Not sure he is a world beater but he add some competence and faceoffs wins.  

    I was foolish enough to think that Tarasenko would provide SOMETHING but he has been awful.

    I think Yurov, Kirill, Zucc should stay.  I like the second line with Boldy, and I guess Mojo and Rossi when he gets back.  Let Ek, Trenin and Moose Hulk-Smash their way though things and Sturm, Oggie and  Hartman?  I could also swap Hartman and Mojo back and forth depending on who is earning it.  

    But I want more Wallstedt.

     

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    1 hour ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Hmmm...  I don't believe a team has to tank for several years to be good in the future.  If that was the case then teams wouldn't be stuck in the cellar for decades.   It also wouldn't explain how some teams seem to find ways to be competitive contenders almost every year.  

    I would argue that recognition of potential talent and ability to harness that talent plays a much larger role in being an annual contender than higher draft picks.  

    This is absolutely accurate, and it's why I started asking questions about Iowa a couple of days ago. 3 coaches, same result. Different players same result. Somehow the only constant in Iowa has been the top guys who are the head of player development. 

    Seriously, now, we've got guys with skill, something most of these guys lacked, yet, they still have a weak developmental program. Part of it is drafting undersized guys, part of it is not insisting on them building themselves up to be able to compete on an NHL level, and at the very least, contribute in a bottom 6 role. 

    This is where MNCL's quote comes in- "recognition of potential talent and ability to harness that talent." I believe we've let other people do the harnessing like OgZ in the S, Yurov in the K, Buium in the NCAAs, and The Wall partly in the S, but also in the A. 

    You need a strong developmental program in house to do this, and I do not believe that is in place. Much more is needed out of Iowa, both Iowa teams, but I'm not seeing the growth that should be happening from year to year. 

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    1 hour ago, SkolWild73 said:

    Yes, the Wild lost in OT to Buffalo where the game tying goal was a fluke.

    Both goals were fluky. It reminded me of the fluky ones we scored against Winnipeg earlier in the season (not the 3-0 win). Some times you have days like that. But, our shootout shooters did their job, but Guus didn't do his, going 1/4 on save attempts. 

    We have had games where we've stolen points too.

    Thanks SW73 for pointing out the problems with the article. Tom seems to have an opinion on this and writes it several different ways. But the main issue he has is we didn't take the buyout years to tank. So, with that, he also picks on the signings of the $4m players in many different ways and their presence didn't allow for a tank.

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    5 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    You need a strong developmental program in house to do this, and I do not believe that is in place. Much more is needed out of Iowa, both Iowa teams, but I'm not seeing the growth that should be happening from year to year.

    Spot on!

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Jets lost Hellebuyck.

    That might cost them a playoff spot. It also proves how valuable Hellebuyck is, and probably should have gotten more MVP votes.

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    2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    nothing more than a bubble team hmm 🤔

    Wild have a top goalie tandem

    Great D core (minus Jiri) - spurge is back to being spurge, Zeev will get better and far ass have played better!

    They have 1 superstar and 1 soon-to-be superstar and possibly a selke candidate 

    They again had Injuries to top 6 that messed with rhythm but are projected to still come in at 105 pt total

    any other division other than Central - then I think we are favorites to get to R2 but we are likely to match Stars …. but I think there is going to be a boost to us via trade* this year and that’ll even out the odds for R1 battle

    *while I don’t think we necessary should trade Rossi - I think he will be the one to go out as he has more value than Ohgren and any of our other prospects (besides the core 3 - Zeev, Wally & Yurov) 

    Tuch? Buch? ROR? And please Waive Vlady  (Maybe ROR could be had w just Ohgren and then we slide Rossi to Wing)

    ODC with the positive vibes? You doing ok my man? I agree we shouldn't trade Rossi but if in a package along with someone like Ohgren who doesn't seem like he will figure it out to upgrade the top 6 (pie in the sky Brady T or Thompson) it would be hard to say no. Vlady waive, yes please, hes out the Wild go on an absolute heater, he returns they lose in the SO, coincidence? 

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    Last time I checked they don't ask how, they ask how many. With the atrocious puck luck at the start of the year I think they have earned a few lucky bounces, whether it be puck luck or not having to play against Helly, no reason to diminish wins, no matter who they are playing they are pros and games get tough and weird.  What will be telling is if the Wild stack losses after the Sabres game or if they will rebound and put Drai and McDavid in a headlock. We shall see in a matter of hours.

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    Sounds like the Canucks are already looking to retool the roster.  Sounds like the are looking to get younger.  They appear to want 1st round pick(s) and possibly low level assets depending on who heads out the door.  Personally I seriously dislike giving away #1 picks.  

    If we can keep our #1s, do we have 2 guys that would satisfy the Canucks?

    Keifer Sherwood is only 30 years old and seems to be hitting his stride quite well.

    Elias probably dislikes the idea of retooling.  He would be worth a #1.  Probably have to send Spurgeon the other way as well.... or another higher profile player just to fit the cap.

    Garland has a long term deal already in place... but I really don't want another 5'8'' guy.   

    DeBrusk would be a great fit. Big guy on the wing with an existing affordable contract.  Still only 29 years old.  half point per game producer.

    Drew O'Connor is about a .4 per game producer.  At 6'4'' I like the size but his inconsistent play leaves a bit to be desired.  Falls more into the bottom 6.  We need top 6.

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    Canucks, Preds and Flames all looking to unload talent for a high price.  I would think that BG would be tinkering with the roster to bring in a top 6 winger.  With only $3m to $4m of cap space he may need to be creative to pull it off.

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    4 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Are you insinuating that Rossi could not play wing

    No I m not saying that as I simple dont know .

    What I tried to say that any team should use players according to their history .

    Rossi is a product of Swiss hockey school 

    So best would be to compare him with Nico Hischier from Devils 

    Also like so many Rossi is a 2nd generation player with his father also playing hockey for 20+ years as a stay at home Dman 

    So I would be very surprised that Rossi  can turn into a agile winger or sniper with his sort of history 

    If he returns and I believe its close they should let him play PK with Nico Sturm for a change

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