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  • The Wild Must Pay Now, Worry Later With Marco Rossi


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    Tony Abbott

    When we wrote about Marco Rossi's game evolving during the season on Friday, we weren't expecting him to add a new wrinkle one day later. But that's the kind of thing that happens when you watch a player take "The Leap," so we've got to write more about it.

    On Saturday morning, Mats Zuccarello instructed the 23-year-old center in practice: Pass more. With Kirill Kaprizov's 23 goals out of the lineup, it's hard to fathom why you'd tell someone to score fewer goals. However, Rossi took the advice, and it worked like a dream. Rossi was dominant offensively despite having zero shots on goal, getting assists on all four goals in a 4-0 blanking of a 23-14-2 Carolina Hurricanes team.

    His passes were so smooth and on-point that you'd never know this was only Rossi's fourth multi-assist game in 143 career games. And, like most dominant outings, he had multiple passes that easily could have resulted in more goals. No one's about to turn up their nose at a young center on pace for 30 goals, but this was a coming-out party for the version of Rossi that led the OHL in assists during his draft year.

    Our Kaprizov-less Rossi point count is up to 11 in six games (these past five, plus November 23). His Kaprizov-like run as the team's offensive catalyst is vaulting him into the conversation of being among the best players in the NHL.

    Evolving-Hockey has two stats to measure a player's performance: Goals Above Replacement and xGoals Above Replacement. By both models, Rossi is a top-20 player in the league this year, worth 3.4 points in each metric. The only other NHLers in the top 20 in both metrics are Leon Draisaitl, Quinn Hughes, Cale Makar, Tom Wilson, Lucas Raymond, and Brandon Hagel.

    That's elite company, and it gets better when we look at it through a historical lens. The low-hanging fruit is how good Rossi has been compared to young players throughout Minnesota Wild history. We get it, it's a low bar to clear. Still, Rossi finds himself in elite company when you stack up his first 40 games against every Under-24 player in franchise history. 

    When you're out-pacing Rookie Kaprizov and Matt Boldy on a list... that's nice. That's real nice.

    Then you look at the all-around value Rossi's provided to the team, and he's got numbers that look an awful lot like the top centers of the last decade and a half. Let's look at the top seasons from an age-22 center since the 2007-08 season (Evolving-Hockey's age cut-off is by draft year, hence why he's 22 here) and see where Rossi stacks up.

    GAR/60 By An Age-22 Center:

    1. Alex Wennberg, 2017-18: 0.964
    2. Jonathan Toews, 2011-12: 0.962
    3. Brayden Point, 2018-19: 0.941
    4. Matt Duchene, 2013-14: 0.916
    5. MARCO ROSSI, 2024-25: 0.901
    6. Auston Matthews, 2020-21: 0.859
    7. Sidney Crosby, 2009-10: 0.848
    8. David Krejčí, 2008-09: 0.842
    9. Nathan MacKinnon, 2017-18: 0.806
    10. Ryan Getzlaf, 2007-08: 0.804

    Obviously, Wennberg is the big outlier here (and his drop-off can be explained by a history of concussions), but it's more enlightening to look at the rest of the list. Crosby and Toews are slam-dunk Hall of Famers. Matthews and MacKinnon are Hart Trophy winners. Ryan Getzlaf had over 1,000 points in his career, and Duchene (846 points at age 34) might join him in that group. Brayden Point has almost 600 points before turning 29. 

    Outside of Wennberg, the "worst case" in the top 10 is Krejčí, the No. 2 center behind Patrice Bergeron on a perennially contending Boston Bruins team that won a Stanley Cup. Still, 786 points in 1,032 games is nothing to sneeze at from an offensive standpoint.

    Rossi is the best asset any team could have right now: A young, productive No. 1 center. He's played every game since last season. He's produced without power play time, he's produced with power play minutes, he's produced with Kaprizov, he's produced more without Kaprizov. Dating back to last season, Rossi and Brock Faber are the only Wild players not to miss a game. 

    There's nothing left to prove, and it's time to pay up.

    Our last update on Rossi's future with Minnesota came from Michael Russo on December 26's "Worst Seats In the House" podcast -- five games and nine points ago. While Rossi doesn't appear to be on the trade block, the Wild are still in wait-and-see mode on a contract extension, with Kaprizov's final number on his mega-extension being the reason to wait.

    The Wild's priority No. 1 is undoubtedly ensuring Kaprizov stays in the State of Hockey for years to come. But Rossi is quickly becoming 1A.

    Assuming we're seeing the Real Rossi -- which feels fairly safe, given his draft pedigree -- it's almost impossible to overpay for what he brings to the table. He's a dynamic, two-way center on pace to score 31 goals and 76 points. The track record of centers who've produced to that degree at such a young age is very, very good. Then add in the defensive excellence he's showing, and we're talking about a player who can help Joel Eriksson Ek tilt the ice in the Wild's favor for years to come.

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    NHL front offices must build around their stars, and they need to build down the middle. Rossi fits both criteria.

    Heading into the season, Evolving-Hockey projected the AAV of a long-term (seven-year) Rossi extension to be $5.7 million. That's not a realistic price anymore. Looking at his peers from the 2020 Draft, Tim Stützle (40 points in 38 games this year) has an AAV of $8.35, Lucas Raymond (41 points in 39 games) just signed for $8.08 million per year, and Alexis Lafrenière (21 points in 38 games) is making $7.45 million.

    Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. By the time Kaprizov's extension kicks in, the NHL will (presumably) have raised the cap twice, and Mats Zuccarello's money will be off the books. If Minnesota has to trade a lesser player to make the overall picture work, that's the price you have to pay.

    Remember -- the goal is to keep Kaprizov long-term and to set themselves up to build a Cup winner around him. Kaprizov might score 100 points this season, even with 70 games. Locking down Kaprizov's center from his best-ever season has to sweeten the pot, no? The Wild can go to him and say, We're not just dumping money on you, but we're setting you up with the Nicklas Bäckström to your Alex Ovechkin for the next eight years. 

    Minnesota presumably had a chance to get in on the ground floor and didn't. That was a mistake. They don't have to make it again. The Wild can lock up their No. 1 center through his '20s and ensure that Rossi's rapidly-growing game doesn't lead to a rapidly-growing price tag. 

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    10 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    So are you saying our current lineup needs no change to top 6 and it'll be fine against Dallas/Colorado/Winnipeg? (that's likely who will play) There is no room to improve? we match up well?

    I don't know for sure and neither do you.

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    1 minute ago, FredJohnson said:

    I don't know for sure and neither do you.

    we don't know for sure .... ok but you do have the stats from previous meetings right? us being 0-7 against Jets is nothing to be alarmed at? you saying we can't project how we stack up and the outcome? you going to say it's always a flip of the coin and we may be victorious this time because the gods of the north smiled upon us? 

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    I think the obvious answer is a Mojo replacement. He has looked better this year but still not what we need to get the fireworks going. I'm thinking a 1/2 to 1 ppg player who has some size and 2-way/PK ability would be wonderful for a Boldy, EK, ??? line.

    That leaves intact the Rossi, Zucc, KK, line which I think has chemistry and skill. I know size is the argument here but KK can handle himself just fine. Keep Midzy playing D for backup if needed. I've been liking Foligno/Gadreau/Trenin

    Lauko/Khus/Mojo could be an interesting line with the amount of speed they bring.

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    2 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

    I think the obvious answer is a Mojo replacement. He has looked better this year but still not what we need to get the fireworks going. I'm thinking a 1/2 to 1 ppg player who has some size and 2-way/PK ability would be wonderful for a Boldy, EK, ??? line.

    That leaves intact the Rossi, Zucc, KK, line which I think has chemistry and skill. I know size is the argument here but KK can handle himself just fine. Keep Midzy playing D for backup if needed. I've been liking Foligno/Gadreau/Trenin

    Lauko/Khus/Mojo could be an interesting line with the amount of speed they bring.

    I think i'd move Rossi to L2C and have him be with Boldy. Ek needs to come in and protect Kap. Kap cannot and should not be the protector on that line. Logan Stanley or his equivalent is what awaits. At this rate, Logan can sit on all three of them (Zuccy/Kap/Rossi) and eliminate our entire top line in one dump. 

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    2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

     

    • Dallas - lost 7 straight games until winning last game 3-2
    • Winnipeg - 8 games loosing streak!
    • Colorado - lost 7 of 8 games

    lets go with other Western conference biggies

    • Vegas - 2W 8L
    • Kings - 3W 7L

    These are some sobering stats for sure. To add to the data, here are the final scores for the games against these teams this season. Using this season because despite the small amount of roster changes, we're a different team this year IMO.

    Dallas: 2-1L, 3-2W

    Jets: 2-1L, 4-1L, 5-0L

    Avs: ---

    Golden Knights: 3-2L

    Kings: 5-1L, 4-1L

    We seem to be holding our own except vs. Jets and Kings. What makes them our kryptonite? 

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    14 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    we don't know for sure .... ok but you do have the stats from previous meetings right? us being 0-7 against Jets is nothing to be alarmed at? you saying we can't project how we stack up and the outcome? you going to say it's always a flip of the coin and we may be victorious this time because the gods of the north smiled upon us? 

    And that was all on Rossi? (That's how you make it seem by your comments around here.)

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    4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    I think i'd move Rossi to L2C and have him be with Boldy. Ek needs to come in and protect Kap. Kap cannot and should not be the protector on that line. Logan Stanley or his equivalent is what awaits. At this rate, Logan can sit on all three of them (Zuccy/Kap/Rossi) and eliminate our entire top line in one dump. 

    Yeah, I actually agree with that. Boldy/Rossi seem like they could have something and yes, Ek is definitely a better junk yard dog. 

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    Just now, Enforceror said:

    These are some sobering stats for sure. To add to the data, here are the final scores for the games against these teams this season. Using this season because despite the small amount of roster changes, we're a different team this year IMO.

    Dallas: 2-1L, 3-2W

    Jets: 2-1L, 4-1L, 5-0L

    Avs: ---

    Golden Knights: 3-2L

    Kings: 5-1L, 4-1L

    We seem to be holding our own except vs. Jets and Kings. What makes them our kryptonite? 

    i think Avs are there too - imagine them getting Nichushkin and Landesf#k back....

    or Stars getting all their players back and also getting Jason R going?

    Really i only see the Canadian teams as our "good" matchup if we stand pat

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    2 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

    Yeah, I actually agree with that. Boldy/Rossi seem like they could have something and yes, Ek is definitely a better junk yard dog. 

    that also makes MJ the sacrificial lamb..... win win - let's say its Tuch - he slides into MJ's spot! and makes a very solid second line!

    With all the player movement between sabres and wild over the last few years - why not one more? get em MJ and bring Tuch back. They are not going anywhere, some picks and "rebuild" and MJ is what they need to sell to their fans. 

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    4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    i think Avs are there too - imagine them getting Nichushkin and Landesf#k back....

    or Stars getting all their players back and also getting Jason R going?

    Really i only see the Canadian teams as our "good" matchup if we stand pat

    It'll be interesting to see how they matchup with the Avs on Thursday. They've been pretty hot lately...

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    3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    that also makes MJ the sacrificial lamb..... win win - let's say its Tuch - he slides into MJ's spot! and makes a very solid second line!

    With all the player movement between sabres and wild over the last few years - why not one more? get em MJ and bring Tuch back. They are not going anywhere, some picks and "rebuild" and MJ is what they need to sell to their fans. 

    I like this, just unsure how we can make it happen this year with the cap conundrum and without shooting ourselves in the foot for next year and the following few by trading away assets.  In my opinion, we target next year. We are one of the best teams in the NHL currently, and with cap restrictions. KK knows this. Our prospects are going to be icing on the cake if Yurov, Ohgren, Buium, etc. hit the ground running. So without counting on them to make an impact, there is only upside to bringing in a known impact player and slow-rolling the prospects in as they force their way into the lineup.

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    5 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

    I like this, just unsure how we can make it happen this year with the cap conundrum and without shooting ourselves in the foot for next year and the following few by trading away assets.  In my opinion, we target next year. We are one of the best teams in the NHL currently, and with cap restrictions. KK knows this. Our prospects are going to be icing on the cake if Yurov, Ohgren, Buium, etc. hit the ground running. So without counting on them to make an impact, there is only upside to bringing in a known impact player and slow-rolling the prospects in as they force their way into the lineup.

    i think Tuch is doable. he has a very team friendly contract. lets say Sabres retain half this year and we send MJ and unload some picks (anyone but Yurov/Zeev). There is a way to do it. Just takes a good cap guy. Good thing we have one!  ....

     

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    3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    i think Tuch is doable. he has a very team friendly contract. lets say Sabres retain half this year and we send MJ and unload some picks (anyone but Yurov/Zeev). There is a way to do it. Just takes a good cap guy. Good thing we have one!  ....

    Cap space is supposed to go up around $4mil which would give us buying power to pick him up. Nojo is 2m off the books if they dont resign. Merrill comes off at 1.2m. We will need to extend (or not) Rossi, Khus, Chisolm, Lauko.

    In 26 we need to extend (or not) KK, Zucc, Gus, Jiricek, Lambos.

    I was going to math this out but just realized I don't have the motivation right now....

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    I don't know if even Billy would be stupid enough to shake this team up now. Much less sending Rossi down the road regardless of the return. This team is rolling and beating some of the best teams in the league without our stud Rooskie and two of our best D men. 

    Slicing and dicing on this team now would be very ill advised. Chemistry is a very fragile thing and this team has it right now in spades. You can replace players with others who tip the scales at twenty or thirty pounds of more muscle and much better stats but if you lose that chemistry ya got nothing. #Nashville

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    3 hours ago, Lern2spell said:

    It doesn't need to start with an 8, but needs to start with a 7. Offer should be 8x7.25M. Make a 22 YO turn down $58M.

    I think Rossi's people would turn that down due to the 8 year term, but they may be interested in 4-5 years in that salary range, making him free agent eligible at age 27 or 28. Kaprizov signed for 5 years and is nearing a major salary increase, so that could influence that type of decision.

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    1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

    I don't know if even Billy would be stupid enough to shake this team up now. Much less sending Rossi down the road regardless of the return. This team is rolling and beating some of the best teams in the league without our stud Rooskie and two of our best D men. 

    Slicing and dicing on this team now would be very ill advised. Chemistry is a very fragile thing and this team has it right now in spades. You can replace players with others who tip the scales at twenty or thirty pounds of more muscle and much better stats but if you lose that chemistry ya got nothing. #Nashville

    Understood …. Proceeding as is

    novice concept for a MN fan…..

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    1 hour ago, Enforceror said:

    Cap space is supposed to go up around $4mil which would give us buying power to pick him up. Nojo is 2m off the books if they dont resign. Merrill comes off at 1.2m. We will need to extend (or not) Rossi, Khus, Chisolm, Lauko.

    In 26 we need to extend (or not) KK, Zucc, Gus, Jiricek, Lambos.

    I was going to math this out but just realized I don't have the motivation right now....

    We’ll need to work him in this year. that’s the big prob. So there’ll need to be some more  players involved, but he is one contract that was doable before all the injuries piled up (speaking to the tight cap standpoint and other teams’ ability to retain salary). hope billy is talking to buffalo

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    8 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Nah - you don't pay him now - you have to see how he plays in the playoffs, can he handle the intensity and physicality. If its a Yes, and if that brings his value up, then that's fine - he'll get 8.5 either way. But first, see how he performs on the big stage. 

    I am still 100% against having him as your L1C right now. He can play the Wing or be L2C but he won't be able to protect Kap and Zuccy. Yes, this has been a fine regular season. Regular season. Playoffs is different.

    You wait until season ends. See how the team performs and how each individual performed BEFORE you buy in for the next 5-7 years. You need to plan this out carefully to ensure Kap signs this July. Don't tell me "Kap wants to win and Rossi is a winner and therefore they are a match made in heaven" No. Not yet. It hasn't been proven until it's done in the playoffs. 

    Given the Wild's poor track record of throwing money at some players and expecting a deep PO run...this right here is some very smart advice.  The NHL banned super long contracts and we are STILL in the club sin bin as a Cap hit for it.  Let's see the playoff mettle and cohesiveness before tossing dollars around like NBA players making it rain at the local 'Vu.  A streaky few games boost does not make a top line forward.  

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    30 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    I think Rossi's people would turn that down due to the 8 year term, but they may be interested in 4-5 years in that salary range, making him free agent eligible at age 27 or 28. Kaprizov signed for 5 years and is nearing a major salary increase, so that could influence that type of decision.

    Rossi is RFA with no arbitration rights. Kaprizov was RFA with arbitration rights, and had just put up one of the best seasons any Wild player has ever had. Big difference.

    He might not sign for 8, and a shorter term comes in cheaper, but also means he could become trade bait down the line. Wild need to avoid another Fiala situation, and get this done..

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    Pump the brakes a bit on this magical contract that the Wild has to sign.  He has had a bump in the scoring since Kaprizov has been out.  He is still a sub point per game player.  He has the same problem Boldy does that is consistency.  If we find out that at the end of the year he has 60 points we will be saying we should have traded him last off season.

    If he scores in the mid to high 80's and is a focal point of the offense for the rest of they year.  They still aren't going to pay him more than the top players in his draft class.  Simply because he hasn't done it for multiple years like they have.  So, somewhere between 8 and 8.5 which is totally possible with what they have to spend.  

    That just leaves Marat and Chisholm to figure out what the Wild want to sign.  

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    6 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Not 5 years away - NOW

    Remember we’re still $15M in dead cap $. Pretty sure at least one of the big contenders will get some LTIR $ shenanigans going which adds even more disparity. We’re playing well and always have a chance but we’re still a longshot at a deep run this year. No one wants to wait 5 years but I see this team definitely getting better over the next 3 years for sure. I’m all for adding one player at the trade deadline if it’s even possible with how little cap space we’ve accumulated. I’m not ready to hit the panic button yet. We’ve got Gus signed through next year, KK and hopefully some more ELC players on the way. The future has never been brighter . I’m willing to wait for it. I don’t want to experience what the Nashville fans are going through  in the rush to Win Now. 

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    9 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Remember we’re still $15M in dead cap $. Pretty sure at least one of the big contenders will get some LTIR $ shenanigans going which adds even more disparity. We’re playing well and always have a chance but we’re still a longshot at a deep run this year. No one wants to wait 5 years but I see this team definitely getting better over the next 3 years for sure. I’m all for adding one player at the trade deadline if it’s even possible with how little cap space we’ve accumulated. I’m not ready to hit the panic button yet. We’ve got Gus signed through next year, KK and hopefully some more ELC players on the way. The future has never been brighter . I’m willing to wait for it. I don’t want to experience what the Nashville fans are going through  in the rush to Win Now. 

    Remember we’re still $15M in dead cap $ - nope done using it, said many times here that it matters WHO the cap hit is tied to. we tied it to fringe NHL players. should they still be on the team - would we be better? Is Parise = L1 star? Is Suter = top D? No. So let's not pretend that the money would bring us equivalent player value. No - it would bring us what we had - and that is Suter and Parise - and both are easily replaceable and have been by cheap Bogo and cheap MJ. There we have solved the Cap penalty excuse. The only  thing that we need to be mindful here is to NOT overspend on players that do NOT deserve it. Have we learnt that lesson? 

    We’re playing well and always have a chance but we’re still a longshot at a deep run this year. No one wants to wait 5 years but I see this team definitely getting better over the next 3 years for sure. We waited 30 years, with constant delay. Our team is not guaranteed to be better next year. In fact it may take a step back with (a) additions of rookies who need time (b) our D being older (Spurge and Brodin especially) and (c) Goalie situation - MAF to Wally and what about Gus? can he continue this play? Additionally, the one important piece is Kaprizov - how will he take it if Wild are AGAIN satisfied with another "glad to be here" moment? 5 years of NO success and next year is bound to be the same should they stand pat and just welcome few more rookies (unproven, unreliable, but hyped up to be sure)? You think he'll sign on July? Giving up his ONE chance to pick the future where he'll spend his prime? or continue on to mentor these lines of never-ending prospects?

    I’m all for adding one player at the trade deadline if it’s even possible with how little cap space we’ve accumulated. right that is my suggestion to beef up the core top6

    I’m not ready to hit the panic button yet. We’ve got Gus signed through next year, KK and hopefully some more ELC players on the way. The future has never been brighter The future has been "bright" before, when we picked up Pommy and created "Captain line", when we brought MN great Vanek, when we brought Finnish jesus over, when Zach Phillips scored 200 pts in lower league and we were giddy about him being a super steal from Sharks, when Guillaume Latendresse was brought in, when Nino was traded for Cal, when Wild brought in Suter and Parise, when Yeo lead the team, when another MN son Matty Cullen came  back, when Gabby scored 42 goals in 77 games.....but it went no where. Future has been bright before. We just haven't had the balls to take another step. Relying on Kap to be here and be our savior is very MN like. Do nothing and expect/hope the best turn out. Facts: Kap will be 28 after this year is done. He can sign an extension after this year is done. Unless we do something great THIS year, there is NO way Kap will sign with us. 

    Nashville is not the right comparison. They went the old MN route. They brought in their version of Pomminville and Vanek and Heatley and Cullen to compliment their aging group. We have a group in or entering our prime.  And our pursuit of say ....Tuch - puts his timeline at exactly the same point as Kaps. That's a perfect alignment. Why wait? Why take the chance that same Kap signs elsewhere? Why waste such a good year? There is a way to improve and better your cause against Western Elite teams. Do that. 

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