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  • The Wild Must Pay Now, Worry Later With Marco Rossi


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    When we wrote about Marco Rossi's game evolving during the season on Friday, we weren't expecting him to add a new wrinkle one day later. But that's the kind of thing that happens when you watch a player take "The Leap," so we've got to write more about it.

    On Saturday morning, Mats Zuccarello instructed the 23-year-old center in practice: Pass more. With Kirill Kaprizov's 23 goals out of the lineup, it's hard to fathom why you'd tell someone to score fewer goals. However, Rossi took the advice, and it worked like a dream. Rossi was dominant offensively despite having zero shots on goal, getting assists on all four goals in a 4-0 blanking of a 23-14-2 Carolina Hurricanes team.

    His passes were so smooth and on-point that you'd never know this was only Rossi's fourth multi-assist game in 143 career games. And, like most dominant outings, he had multiple passes that easily could have resulted in more goals. No one's about to turn up their nose at a young center on pace for 30 goals, but this was a coming-out party for the version of Rossi that led the OHL in assists during his draft year.

    Our Kaprizov-less Rossi point count is up to 11 in six games (these past five, plus November 23). His Kaprizov-like run as the team's offensive catalyst is vaulting him into the conversation of being among the best players in the NHL.

    Evolving-Hockey has two stats to measure a player's performance: Goals Above Replacement and xGoals Above Replacement. By both models, Rossi is a top-20 player in the league this year, worth 3.4 points in each metric. The only other NHLers in the top 20 in both metrics are Leon Draisaitl, Quinn Hughes, Cale Makar, Tom Wilson, Lucas Raymond, and Brandon Hagel.

    That's elite company, and it gets better when we look at it through a historical lens. The low-hanging fruit is how good Rossi has been compared to young players throughout Minnesota Wild history. We get it, it's a low bar to clear. Still, Rossi finds himself in elite company when you stack up his first 40 games against every Under-24 player in franchise history. 

    When you're out-pacing Rookie Kaprizov and Matt Boldy on a list... that's nice. That's real nice.

    Then you look at the all-around value Rossi's provided to the team, and he's got numbers that look an awful lot like the top centers of the last decade and a half. Let's look at the top seasons from an age-22 center since the 2007-08 season (Evolving-Hockey's age cut-off is by draft year, hence why he's 22 here) and see where Rossi stacks up.

    GAR/60 By An Age-22 Center:

    1. Alex Wennberg, 2017-18: 0.964
    2. Jonathan Toews, 2011-12: 0.962
    3. Brayden Point, 2018-19: 0.941
    4. Matt Duchene, 2013-14: 0.916
    5. MARCO ROSSI, 2024-25: 0.901
    6. Auston Matthews, 2020-21: 0.859
    7. Sidney Crosby, 2009-10: 0.848
    8. David Krejčí, 2008-09: 0.842
    9. Nathan MacKinnon, 2017-18: 0.806
    10. Ryan Getzlaf, 2007-08: 0.804

    Obviously, Wennberg is the big outlier here (and his drop-off can be explained by a history of concussions), but it's more enlightening to look at the rest of the list. Crosby and Toews are slam-dunk Hall of Famers. Matthews and MacKinnon are Hart Trophy winners. Ryan Getzlaf had over 1,000 points in his career, and Duchene (846 points at age 34) might join him in that group. Brayden Point has almost 600 points before turning 29. 

    Outside of Wennberg, the "worst case" in the top 10 is Krejčí, the No. 2 center behind Patrice Bergeron on a perennially contending Boston Bruins team that won a Stanley Cup. Still, 786 points in 1,032 games is nothing to sneeze at from an offensive standpoint.

    Rossi is the best asset any team could have right now: A young, productive No. 1 center. He's played every game since last season. He's produced without power play time, he's produced with power play minutes, he's produced with Kaprizov, he's produced more without Kaprizov. Dating back to last season, Rossi and Brock Faber are the only Wild players not to miss a game. 

    There's nothing left to prove, and it's time to pay up.

    Our last update on Rossi's future with Minnesota came from Michael Russo on December 26's "Worst Seats In the House" podcast -- five games and nine points ago. While Rossi doesn't appear to be on the trade block, the Wild are still in wait-and-see mode on a contract extension, with Kaprizov's final number on his mega-extension being the reason to wait.

    The Wild's priority No. 1 is undoubtedly ensuring Kaprizov stays in the State of Hockey for years to come. But Rossi is quickly becoming 1A.

    Assuming we're seeing the Real Rossi -- which feels fairly safe, given his draft pedigree -- it's almost impossible to overpay for what he brings to the table. He's a dynamic, two-way center on pace to score 31 goals and 76 points. The track record of centers who've produced to that degree at such a young age is very, very good. Then add in the defensive excellence he's showing, and we're talking about a player who can help Joel Eriksson Ek tilt the ice in the Wild's favor for years to come.

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    NHL front offices must build around their stars, and they need to build down the middle. Rossi fits both criteria.

    Heading into the season, Evolving-Hockey projected the AAV of a long-term (seven-year) Rossi extension to be $5.7 million. That's not a realistic price anymore. Looking at his peers from the 2020 Draft, Tim Stützle (40 points in 38 games this year) has an AAV of $8.35, Lucas Raymond (41 points in 39 games) just signed for $8.08 million per year, and Alexis Lafrenière (21 points in 38 games) is making $7.45 million.

    Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. By the time Kaprizov's extension kicks in, the NHL will (presumably) have raised the cap twice, and Mats Zuccarello's money will be off the books. If Minnesota has to trade a lesser player to make the overall picture work, that's the price you have to pay.

    Remember -- the goal is to keep Kaprizov long-term and to set themselves up to build a Cup winner around him. Kaprizov might score 100 points this season, even with 70 games. Locking down Kaprizov's center from his best-ever season has to sweeten the pot, no? The Wild can go to him and say, We're not just dumping money on you, but we're setting you up with the Nicklas Bäckström to your Alex Ovechkin for the next eight years. 

    Minnesota presumably had a chance to get in on the ground floor and didn't. That was a mistake. They don't have to make it again. The Wild can lock up their No. 1 center through his '20s and ensure that Rossi's rapidly-growing game doesn't lead to a rapidly-growing price tag. 

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    3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    argh people i said MOVE rossi to 2LC and have him be with Boldy and Tuch (yes go after Tuch) and move Ek to Kap and Zuccy line for some sort of balance. 

    but if all ya keep harping on it - fine i'm in on trading 

    baby austrian + figure skater (plus H&H boys) for Marchenko and Voronkov

    You posted you want keep KK97 by showing we can win but you want to trade one of the keys to us winning?

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    4 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    Fanboy? Heck yes! I cheer for the entire Wild team and will damn well get excited when our second year player starts lighting it up and will damn well rub it in your face for saying he was too small, then a complete passenger, then he wasn't playing against top lines and now it is but he will get rolled over in playoffs. Just keep moving those goalpost so he can prove the great ODC wrong again.

    For my reasons in my previous post as well as cap reasons in the upcoming season to fit everyone. I don't want them to go for broke this season. I think it is short-sighted to think this is their only shot when our team is getting steadily younger as our prospects come in and prove themselves. 

    Frankly, I find you to an alarmist, abrasive and ill-informed. I've been on this site a long while and have usually found people here to be great even when I had a spirited disagreement with them. We would eat crow on our fan theories when needed and continue on. You're raving I find hard to abide and, by the comments in previous threads, I doubt I am the only one. This will be my last engagement with your comments. I comment here for fun and usually enjoyed it but find myself frustrated more than anything with this back and forth. 

    Cheers,

    TGAL

    Rossi is small - it's a reality. That hasn't changed. He is putting up good numbers. Good for him. 37 pts in 40 games. Not bad. 

    what goal posts? relax a bit about Rossi. it's not about him. he is a fine player. and he can move to line 2 with Boldy and do his thing. or be traded - that's fine too. 

    you can still "cheer" him on when he is traded, right? good

    as for cap situation - there are ways to bring Tuch in. he is not making THAT much and we can figure out financial with money retention or third team

    This will be my last engagement with your comments. I comment here for fun and usually enjoyed it but find myself frustrated more than anything with this back and forth. oh no. well it was nice to hear from you! 

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    4 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    You posted you want keep KK97 by showing we can win but you want to trade one of the keys to us winning?

    yes i want them to win. not get bounced or injured and then seeing disappointed Kaprizov leave. that would be bad. right? or not so bad as long as we have Rossi? 

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    7 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    how many games are we winning against Stars/Jets/Avs in round 1 with this lineup?

    Rossi Zuccy Kap / Ek Boldy MJ

    No more free shots!! yeap that's the motto of all Wild players and fans. Every year it's our star players being brutalized. What do we do? We bring in and rely on 3/4th liners that scare nobody and only hurt the outcome (see Foligno last time). None of our big boys play with Kap. No one cares about 40 year old Bogo, who will be playing 5-7 mins per game. Imagine Zuccy or Rossi going to the net in a playoff game against our foes? How many periods will we have our top line intact? Do we say then Kap go out and protect yourself? Or put it all on Midds to be out there? 

    Bottom line - make moves that help you secure Kap - and that means playoff success and him being alive after them. Forget about baby austrian for a second. He'll get his contract if he performs. Zuccy won't be moved to other line. Him and Kap are a pair. They get Ek. Rossi moves down and plays with figure skater and Tuch.

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    If the Wild sign both Kaprizov and Rossi to extensions, will Leopold have cap room for his Christmas in July shopping? Leopold wants to splurge in free agency, so that needs to be accounted for in all these trade ideas.

    The Wild should explore a Spurgeon (plus picks or prospects) for Elias Petterson trade once the season is over. Rossi is too small for 1C, while Ek is also a poor fit, unless doing that super combo with boldy and Kaprizov. 

    Petterson as 1C, Rossi as 2C, Ek as 3C and a prospect as 4C. 

    Defense could be Brodin, Faber, Buium, Middleton, Chisholm, Jiricek.

     

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    3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    argh people i said MOVE rossi to 2LC and have him be with Boldy and Tuch (yes go after Tuch) and move Ek to Kap and Zuccy line for some sort of balance. 

    but if all ya keep harping on it - fine i'm in on trading 

    baby austrian + figure skater (plus H&H boys) for Marchenko and Voronkov

    Your response has nothing to do with my post. Why did you quote me and come up with that response? I was simply saying I've been watching this team for many years and this situation reminded me of the scenario I posted about. I quoted you because the subject of it was of players who have come and gone over the years in trades. I was simply adding on to that. Nothing more. I was not challenging your opinion. 

    You are having the vapors here over this subject ODC. This board may not be the place for you to vent your obsession with moving Rossi or anyone else for Tuch or Brady Tkachuk or any of the others you have proposed. I think you need to stake out Billy's office and shriek your demands to him because you are spinning your wheels here.  I have no problem with you personally I even like some of your takes but you are now taking this into a different level of obsession. You are reading things into peoples post that aren't even there. Your becoming that drunk guy that shows up at the party and everyone starts to leave. Dial the snarky shit down brother.  

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    10 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

    Your response has nothing to do with my post. Why did you quote me and come up with that response? I was simply saying I've been watching this team for many years and this situation reminded me of the scenario I posted about. I quoted you because the subject of it was of players who have come and gone over the years in trades. I was simply adding on to that. Nothing more. I was not challenging your opinion. 

    You are having the vapors here over this subject ODC. This board may not be the place for you to vent your obsession with moving Rossi or anyone else for Tuch or Brady Tkachuk or any of the others you have proposed. I think you need to stake out Billy's office and shriek your demands to him because you are spinning your wheels here.  I have no problem with you personally I even like some of your takes but you are now taking this into a different level of obsession. You are reading things into peoples post that aren't even there. Your becoming that drunk guy that shows up at the party and everyone starts to leave. Dial the snarky shit down brother.  

    aren't you the one that pointed out a Rossi trade talk and made some parallels to days of old? almost seems like you were telling me something about how i am wrong with Rossi? even though my point was completely different? but whatever - here it is for you - Rossi can move to L2C, he can also wait his turn for $ or he could be traded. That's the reality. 

    This board may not be the place for you to vent your obsession with moving Rossi or anyone else for Tuch or Brady Tkachuk or any of the others you have proposed. Is this a place that serves as a shrine for Rossi? can we all maybe have our own opinions? or as soon as someone goes against the opinion of the crowd - feelings get hurt? again check these comments - it's been mostly about organizing our top 6 WITH Rossi. the part about Voronkov is a dream. stop overreacting. 

    I think you need to stake out Billy's office and shriek your demands to him because you are spinning your wheels here.  again - people can have opinions. or is that not allowed?

    but you are now taking this into a different level of obsession. i'm obsessed? i think i had good discussions with people who are willing to listen and i enjoy their feedback and insight (as i hope they do too). if you want one sided discussion, then i'm sorry - i won't budge - isn't the point of a forum is to express your opinion? or is your opinion the only one allowed and the only correct one? seems harsh.  

    Your becoming that drunk guy that shows up at the party and everyone starts to leave. i see, so i am the fun guy?

    Dial the snarky shit down brother.  i am not your brother. 

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    Another game tonight by Rossi that was a no show against a west team. Plays great against the east when there is no checking but not the west.  Let’s see how he does against Colorado and Vegas this week.  Guessing another no show.  We need better at center.  Ever notice how he rarely plays down low in the defensive zone and his other linmates handle that instead.  Coaching is covering up his lack of size to play down low.  

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    Here's how the Wild are stacking up so far against the central.

    Chicago 2-0-1  GF8/ GA7

    Dallas 1-1-0  GF4/ GA4

    Nashville 2-0-0  GF8/ GA5

    St Louis 3-0-0  GF14/ GA7

    Utah 1-1-0  GF6/ GA6

    Winnipeg 0-2-1  GF2/ GA11

    Total is 

    9-4-2 with 42GF/ 40GA

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    On 1/6/2025 at 4:08 PM, OldDutchChip said:

    Right on! Thoughts on the next plan to ready up for PO?

    The wild will finish with 100+ points and likely will be 2nd/3rd place in the Central. Billy knows what that means..... Another "glad to be here and see you again next year" OR does he look to load up for an actual battle?

    Going in with this current crew will undoubtedly mean a gentlemen sweep against Stars or Avs (if not worse - sweep and injuries - yes yes there could be another miracle) which deflates the season and kinda leaves a sour note on all and most importantly on Kap. he needs to get out of a first round.

    so what can Billy do?

    D - Not sure how much he can do with D line apart from hoping Midds returns .... and if not - who will push ANYONE from the crease? your top 4 is going to be Faber/Brodin/Spurge/Chissy - oh man - this is very light - Midds we need you!

    O - i think Billy is looking to beef up top 6. who goes out and comes in? going to be very interesting. Thoughts?

    Good questions. I think Guerin is working on it and based on his habit, we'll see some transactions.

    What do I think? I think the Wild are good but need tweaks. I like what I have seen from Trenin, Hartman, Foligno. NoJo and Fred look like 2M dollar journeymen who equate to warm bodies. Apart from his empty-net goal last night on the 4th attempt, NoJo was just ahead of Bogo by one. THAT'S YOUR L2 WINGER!!!

    I don't care if he's just 2M, NoJo should be upgraded ASAP. I think MN needs an affordable guy like a Corey Perry who has experience and can add scoring but isn't soft. Frederic or Nelson maybe. Guys like Rielly Smith, P.Kane, or Yanni Gourde could be options. As rentals or NoJo replacement for next season. 

    The primary targets are already subject of rumors around the league. Guerin needs to look for affordable, under-appreciated players. Tuch would fit in there. I doubt Guerin will be idle in the coming months. 

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    4 minutes ago, Protec said:

    Good questions. I think Guerin is working on it and based on his habit, we'll see some transactions.

    What do I think? I think the Wild are good but need tweaks. I like what I have seen from Trenin, Hartman, Foligno. NoJo and Fred look like 2M dollar journeymen who equate to warm bodies. Apart from his empty-net goal last night on the 4th attempt, NoJo was just ahead of Bogo by one. THAT'S YOUR L2 WINGER!!!

    I don't care if he's just 2M, NoJo should be upgraded ASAP. I think MN needs an affordable guy like a Corey Perry who has experience and can add scoring but isn't soft. Frederic or Nelson maybe. Guys like Rielly Smith, P.Kane, or Yanni Gourde could be options. As rentals or NoJo replacement for next season. 

    The primary targets are already subject of rumors around the league. Guerin needs to look for affordable, under-appreciated players. Tuch would fit in there. I doubt Guerin will be idle in the coming months. 

    🍻 Agree

    Nojo is the one to go. Yanni is an interesting and a physical player - tempting.....

    Note to Billy - Find a way to ship out Nojo. Be creative and also remember- Can't keep all the prospects around. They won't ALL play in the NHL and those who will - may not reach their potential, but some may and others may exceed that potential. So good luck. Don't screw up. 

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    A guy like Bjugstad kinda got slighted in MN but he'd be great in the bottom six. He'd be affordable and has size. The Middleton deal from a couple years ago is the type I hope Guerin can pull off for the end of the season. One where a guy, kinda unknown turns out to be a great fit. 

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    20 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Voronkov

    showed up last night on the bottom of the screen potting 2 more goals for CBJ. CBJ is now in the 8th spot of the Eastern Conference Playoffs.

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    1 hour ago, Protec said:

    Good questions. I think Guerin is working on it and based on his habit, we'll see some transactions.

    What do I think? I think the Wild are good but need tweaks. I like what I have seen from Trenin, Hartman, Foligno. NoJo and Fred look like 2M dollar journeymen who equate to warm bodies. Apart from his empty-net goal last night on the 4th attempt, NoJo was just ahead of Bogo by one. THAT'S YOUR L2 WINGER!!!

    I don't care if he's just 2M, NoJo should be upgraded ASAP. I think MN needs an affordable guy like a Corey Perry who has experience and can add scoring but isn't soft. Frederic or Nelson maybe. Guys like Rielly Smith, P.Kane, or Yanni Gourde could be options. As rentals or NoJo replacement for next season. 

    The primary targets are already subject of rumors around the league. Guerin needs to look for affordable, under-appreciated players. Tuch would fit in there. I doubt Guerin will be idle in the coming months. 

    Could the "tweaks" be Jiricek, Buium, Yurov and Ohgren? There is a benefit to filling from within. I'm not sure about Yurov being eligible after his playoffs to join in for the end of the year and playoffs, but that would be a fine addition to put in Johansson's spot. 

    I'd like to go out and get Tuch too, but it may be that we only need that one guy. 

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    55 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Note to Billy - Find a way to ship out Nojo. Be creative and also remember- Can't keep all the prospects around. They won't ALL play in the NHL and those who will - may not reach their potential, but some may and others may exceed that potential. So good luck. Don't screw up. 

    Nice pep talk! Reminds me of the coach who goes out to the mound with a pitcher who just walked 3 straight guys. Pitching coach says "just throw strikes" and walks off the mound. Then he can't believe the next pitch is a ball. 😎

    How do we pick the guys who will make it? Duck, duck, goose? 

    I'd be in favor of having everyone but The Wall, Buium, Jiricek, Spacek, Ohgren and Yurov in play. That's essentially our 2nd tier and beyond of prospects. Well, Spacek is too, but I like him as our 3rd pairing in 2 seasons. I think he's green enough that he won't be asked for. 

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    yesterday's game should be an eye opener on the physicality of the games and what it will look like in the Playoffs. Bogo went off and that was fun. For us. lmagine Bogos from other team going off on our Top line. That's what we need to prevent as best as we could. Our skill and fancy footwork works in regular season but the games are called different in the playoffs. STL rode us in waves of north/south style game and we had a hard time adjusting....we did finally, but STL is not the other top Central teams. Those waves will not relent. 

    our top 6 must be enhanced. and marcus right now is the odd man out. even if he is not traded - he cannot start in our top 6. if we stand pat - i'd do this -

    EK ZUCCY KAP

    ROSSI BOLDY FOLIGNO

    HARTY TRENIN FG/LAUKO

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    8 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Nice pep talk! Reminds me of the coach who goes out to the mound with a pitcher who just walked 3 straight guys. Pitching coach says "just throw strikes" and walks off the mound. Then he can't believe the next pitch is a ball. 😎

    How do we pick the guys who will make it? Duck, duck, goose? 

    I'd be in favor of having everyone but The Wall, Buium, Jiricek, Spacek, Ohgren and Yurov in play. That's essentially our 2nd tier and beyond of prospects. Well, Spacek is too, but I like him as our 3rd pairing in 2 seasons. I think he's green enough that he won't be asked for. 

    my vote is we make Yurov untouchable. i watched him a bit and he looks to be legit. some are even picking him as a better prospect than demidov - which i think is a bit much. demidov looks like mcdavid 2.0 ..... yeap i know i know. (is there a chance that MTL would be dumb enough to trade the Russian away......Canada doesn't like Russians, trade him away!?!) 🙂

     

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    The Blues are not the heavy team that beat us in the playoffs a couple years ago. They have become a team more based on speed which was evident last night. Both teams were flying on the ice last night it was fun to watch.  If someone wants to slew foot or two hand cross check someone else they will do it. One because these types of players are generally not afraid of other players. And they are willing to let someone punch their helmet for 10 or15 seconds before the ref breaks it up. The worse that happens is someone gets a trickle of blood from the nose or lip. Meh.

    When it comes to physicality it's not the league it used to be. 

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    8 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    my vote is we make Yurov untouchable. i watched him a bit and he looks to be legit.

    Where are you viewing him? I've been looking for K games but can't find them.

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    12 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Where are you viewing him? I've been looking for K games but can't find them.

    you can go thru yandex and then take the road uncharted to rus version of youtube and brave it there. no biggie. 

    vkvideo.ru is a site that has a few video from khl and some analysis in eng and subs

    maybe i already have malware haha so be warned!

     

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    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    my vote is we make Yurov untouchable. i watched him a bit and he looks to be legit.

    He isn't putting up anywhere near the stats he did the prior season. I can see some of their other point producers have missed some games, and the team is worse, in general, than last year, so it's nice to hear Yurov actually looks good.

    Yurov's team has reduced in goals for by roughly .5 goals per game this year.

    The one positive I can see is that he is top 2 on his team in +/- at +8, which suggests he has a strong 2-way game even though his point totals have faltered. Perhaps his agent's demands will not be as lofty this time around...

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    13 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    He isn't putting up anywhere near the stats he did the prior season. I can see some of their other point producers have missed some games, and the team is worse, in general, than last year, so it's nice to hear Yurov actually looks good.

    Yurov's team has reduced in goals for by roughly .5 goals per game this year.

    The one positive I can see is that he is top 2 on his team in +/- at +8, which suggests he has a strong 2-way game even though his point totals have faltered. Perhaps his agent's demands will not be as lofty this time around...

    it's a tough go with KHL and getting a good picture of who we have is a challenge. it's gotten better but it's still a bit of a haze. just trying to see the tape where i can (which could also be skewed as they show the highlights only), read the analysis and commentary. 

    seems like a smart player based on the comments (not just "give 110%" but thoughtful discussion about ins and outs) but he is on the skinny side. 

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