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  • The Wild Must Pay Now, Worry Later With Marco Rossi


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    When we wrote about Marco Rossi's game evolving during the season on Friday, we weren't expecting him to add a new wrinkle one day later. But that's the kind of thing that happens when you watch a player take "The Leap," so we've got to write more about it.

    On Saturday morning, Mats Zuccarello instructed the 23-year-old center in practice: Pass more. With Kirill Kaprizov's 23 goals out of the lineup, it's hard to fathom why you'd tell someone to score fewer goals. However, Rossi took the advice, and it worked like a dream. Rossi was dominant offensively despite having zero shots on goal, getting assists on all four goals in a 4-0 blanking of a 23-14-2 Carolina Hurricanes team.

    His passes were so smooth and on-point that you'd never know this was only Rossi's fourth multi-assist game in 143 career games. And, like most dominant outings, he had multiple passes that easily could have resulted in more goals. No one's about to turn up their nose at a young center on pace for 30 goals, but this was a coming-out party for the version of Rossi that led the OHL in assists during his draft year.

    Our Kaprizov-less Rossi point count is up to 11 in six games (these past five, plus November 23). His Kaprizov-like run as the team's offensive catalyst is vaulting him into the conversation of being among the best players in the NHL.

    Evolving-Hockey has two stats to measure a player's performance: Goals Above Replacement and xGoals Above Replacement. By both models, Rossi is a top-20 player in the league this year, worth 3.4 points in each metric. The only other NHLers in the top 20 in both metrics are Leon Draisaitl, Quinn Hughes, Cale Makar, Tom Wilson, Lucas Raymond, and Brandon Hagel.

    That's elite company, and it gets better when we look at it through a historical lens. The low-hanging fruit is how good Rossi has been compared to young players throughout Minnesota Wild history. We get it, it's a low bar to clear. Still, Rossi finds himself in elite company when you stack up his first 40 games against every Under-24 player in franchise history. 

    When you're out-pacing Rookie Kaprizov and Matt Boldy on a list... that's nice. That's real nice.

    Then you look at the all-around value Rossi's provided to the team, and he's got numbers that look an awful lot like the top centers of the last decade and a half. Let's look at the top seasons from an age-22 center since the 2007-08 season (Evolving-Hockey's age cut-off is by draft year, hence why he's 22 here) and see where Rossi stacks up.

    GAR/60 By An Age-22 Center:

    1. Alex Wennberg, 2017-18: 0.964
    2. Jonathan Toews, 2011-12: 0.962
    3. Brayden Point, 2018-19: 0.941
    4. Matt Duchene, 2013-14: 0.916
    5. MARCO ROSSI, 2024-25: 0.901
    6. Auston Matthews, 2020-21: 0.859
    7. Sidney Crosby, 2009-10: 0.848
    8. David Krejčí, 2008-09: 0.842
    9. Nathan MacKinnon, 2017-18: 0.806
    10. Ryan Getzlaf, 2007-08: 0.804

    Obviously, Wennberg is the big outlier here (and his drop-off can be explained by a history of concussions), but it's more enlightening to look at the rest of the list. Crosby and Toews are slam-dunk Hall of Famers. Matthews and MacKinnon are Hart Trophy winners. Ryan Getzlaf had over 1,000 points in his career, and Duchene (846 points at age 34) might join him in that group. Brayden Point has almost 600 points before turning 29. 

    Outside of Wennberg, the "worst case" in the top 10 is Krejčí, the No. 2 center behind Patrice Bergeron on a perennially contending Boston Bruins team that won a Stanley Cup. Still, 786 points in 1,032 games is nothing to sneeze at from an offensive standpoint.

    Rossi is the best asset any team could have right now: A young, productive No. 1 center. He's played every game since last season. He's produced without power play time, he's produced with power play minutes, he's produced with Kaprizov, he's produced more without Kaprizov. Dating back to last season, Rossi and Brock Faber are the only Wild players not to miss a game. 

    There's nothing left to prove, and it's time to pay up.

    Our last update on Rossi's future with Minnesota came from Michael Russo on December 26's "Worst Seats In the House" podcast -- five games and nine points ago. While Rossi doesn't appear to be on the trade block, the Wild are still in wait-and-see mode on a contract extension, with Kaprizov's final number on his mega-extension being the reason to wait.

    The Wild's priority No. 1 is undoubtedly ensuring Kaprizov stays in the State of Hockey for years to come. But Rossi is quickly becoming 1A.

    Assuming we're seeing the Real Rossi -- which feels fairly safe, given his draft pedigree -- it's almost impossible to overpay for what he brings to the table. He's a dynamic, two-way center on pace to score 31 goals and 76 points. The track record of centers who've produced to that degree at such a young age is very, very good. Then add in the defensive excellence he's showing, and we're talking about a player who can help Joel Eriksson Ek tilt the ice in the Wild's favor for years to come.

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    NHL front offices must build around their stars, and they need to build down the middle. Rossi fits both criteria.

    Heading into the season, Evolving-Hockey projected the AAV of a long-term (seven-year) Rossi extension to be $5.7 million. That's not a realistic price anymore. Looking at his peers from the 2020 Draft, Tim Stützle (40 points in 38 games this year) has an AAV of $8.35, Lucas Raymond (41 points in 39 games) just signed for $8.08 million per year, and Alexis Lafrenière (21 points in 38 games) is making $7.45 million.

    Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. By the time Kaprizov's extension kicks in, the NHL will (presumably) have raised the cap twice, and Mats Zuccarello's money will be off the books. If Minnesota has to trade a lesser player to make the overall picture work, that's the price you have to pay.

    Remember -- the goal is to keep Kaprizov long-term and to set themselves up to build a Cup winner around him. Kaprizov might score 100 points this season, even with 70 games. Locking down Kaprizov's center from his best-ever season has to sweeten the pot, no? The Wild can go to him and say, We're not just dumping money on you, but we're setting you up with the Nicklas Bäckström to your Alex Ovechkin for the next eight years. 

    Minnesota presumably had a chance to get in on the ground floor and didn't. That was a mistake. They don't have to make it again. The Wild can lock up their No. 1 center through his '20s and ensure that Rossi's rapidly-growing game doesn't lead to a rapidly-growing price tag. 

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    3 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

    That other teams beat us in the playoffs. Was it all Rossi's "fault"?

    is Rossi your solution to prevent us from being bruised up? or will Zuccy be the enforcer? oh i forgot Kap has to be the enforcer! right. smart!

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    4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    is Rossi your solution to prevent us from being bruised up? or will Zuccy be the enforcer? oh i forgot Kap has to be the enforcer! right. smart!

    Then why are you always focused on Rossi? (Not just on this article's comments and I'm not the only one here questioning your focus on him)

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    3 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    Then why are you always focused on Rossi? (Not just on this article's comments and I'm not the only one here questioning your focus on him)

    what is your fascination with Rossi? i already said he can move to L2C and be with Boldy and hopefully Tuch. i am saying he cannot be L1C with Zuccy and Kap. That's it. He is not a number one priority for the team....just maybe some obsessive fans. Go buy his poster already and put it on your wall and relax. 

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    22 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Nah - you don't pay him now - you have to see how he plays in the playoffs, can he handle the intensity and physicality. If its a Yes, and if that brings his value up, then that's fine - he'll get 8.5 either way. But first, see how he performs on the big stage. 

    I am still 100% against having him as your L1C right now. He can play the Wing or be L2C but he won't be able to protect Kap and Zuccy. Yes, this has been a fine regular season. Regular season. Playoffs is different.

    You wait until season ends. See how the team performs and how each individual performed BEFORE you buy in for the next 5-7 years. You need to plan this out carefully to ensure Kap signs this July. Don't tell me "Kap wants to win and Rossi is a winner and therefore they are a match made in heaven" No. Not yet. It hasn't been proven until it's done in the playoffs. 

    Right now here are the knowns - he is an undersized skilled center and has a good stretch of games. Good for him and us. He has a very high trade value (stating the truth)

    Unknowns - can we go to battle against the big boys with our tiny skilled line? Can we match up and come out alive and victorious against Jets or Avs or Stars? Or will Kap / Rossi / Zuccy get demolished and whimper again?

    Play it out and after that - we do what's needed, but not now.

    Suggestion - Move Rossi to L2C and really go hard after FF or Tuch at trade deadline, both of them should be available. That evens out our first two lines pretty well. EK ZUCCY KAP. ROSSI BOLDY FF/TUCH.

    I have to disagree with waiting here. How will Rossi perform in the playoffs? Yes, it's unknown, but, it still won't be known after this playoffs either. I like the idea of a Boldy-Rossi-Tuch/Forsberg line. Rossi has some muscle to go on that frame, he does get knocked down, but keeps getting up quickly. 

    I understand that need for larger players, but the Wild can afford some smaller ones. 5'9" 195 is short not small. I think at this point, I'd like for him to get on the Ogzy squat program and put another 5 pounds in the butt (just for Pewter). 

    But, I've been waiting until late January/early February for and extension. I think Shooter wanted at least another half season of Rossi doing it before he agreed. I don't know how long these things need to be talked out, but if Rossi is committed to the organization, I could see an extension worked out quickly here. I'm not really concerned about an offersheet, as an offersheet can be matched and we have money.

    If there is a problem with protecting Kaprizov, it doesn't fall on Rossi. Zuccarello is the small guy on that line and is old. I think that's the guy who gets taken out, and we have one more year with him. Khus is another small guy, and he plays above his weight class. I think he's a keeper, and he needs to go to the shot doctor during the summer. Spurgeon is the other small guy who's also old. He's also one who gets taken out of the lineup. With those 2 smaller, older guys gone, suddenly this roster becomes much larger (not necessarily taller). I think this could work. 

    I do think we can get through Jets/Stars/Avs with Rossi. He just needs guys to have his back, and that likely falls on Midsy an Bogsy. NO MORE FREE SHOTS LIKE MORRISSEY TOOK ON STAAL. Dallas has some size, but they don't really use it. Avs got size and speed, but I think Rossi can do just fine. 

    So, I'm on board with an extension. My gut says bridge, unless a nice longterm number comes for the team. While we may pay more than we could have over the summer, Shooter likes a fair deal for the player, and I don't think he minds paying a guy what he's worth. However, I would caution against having designations attached.

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    RE: Chisholm since I've seen him mentioned a few times on this thread.

    As good as he's looked this year I'm thinking he's going to be used as bait. Don't see him staying as a 7th D with Buium coming over and likely starting once college season is over and Mids & Brodin also manning the left side. This is somewhat contingent on how Jiri looks and if Spurge can stay healthy, could see Bogo being the 7th D while he's still signed.

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    17 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    that also makes MJ the sacrificial lamb..... win win - let's say its Tuch - he slides into MJ's spot! and makes a very solid second line!

    With all the player movement between sabres and wild over the last few years - why not one more? get em MJ and bring Tuch back. They are not going anywhere, some picks and "rebuild" and MJ is what they need to sell to their fans. 

    MJ is not loved in Buffalo, that's where we originally got him from. I could see it being a cap dump, but it also might be better to tell MJ with his NTC, waive or waivers. 

    I do like the Lauko-Khus-Johansson line idea. I said it before, but this is what Chicago did their first cup run. That speed could catch other 4th lines flat footed.

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    7 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

    RE: Chisholm since I've seen him mentioned a few times on this thread.

    As good as he's looked this year I'm thinking he's going to be used as bait. Don't see him staying as a 7th D with Buium coming over and likely starting once college season is over and Mids & Brodin also manning the left side. This is somewhat contingent on how Jiri looks and if Spurge can stay healthy, could see Bogo being the 7th D while he's still signed.

    He very well could be...good call. 

    Left d-men on the roster right now: Brodin, Chisholm, Merril, Lambos, Spurgeon

    Right d-men: Faber, Bogosian, Dermott and Middleton

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    16 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    i think Tuch is doable. he has a very team friendly contract. lets say Sabres retain half this year and we send MJ and unload some picks (anyone but Yurov/Zeev). There is a way to do it. Just takes a good cap guy. Good thing we have one!  ....

    I'm pretty sure that Buffalo could flip Johansson, but that NTC might make them nervous. What if we sent Johansson to the Capitals for a pick and included that pick + maybe Heidt and another pick for Tuch 50% retained?

    Johansson has always played well for the Caps, and they are down Backstrom, Oshie and Milano. They're way over budget, but still have LTIR room to add. At $2m, Johansson could be seen as an affordable upgrade. It also might be one of the only teams he'd waive for.

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    41 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I have to disagree with waiting here. How will Rossi perform in the playoffs? Yes, it's unknown, but, it still won't be known after this playoffs either. I like the idea of a Boldy-Rossi-Tuch/Forsberg line. Rossi has some muscle to go on that frame, he does get knocked down, but keeps getting up quickly. 

    I understand that need for larger players, but the Wild can afford some smaller ones. 5'9" 195 is short not small. I think at this point, I'd like for him to get on the Ogzy squat program and put another 5 pounds in the butt (just for Pewter). 

    But, I've been waiting until late January/early February for and extension. I think Shooter wanted at least another half season of Rossi doing it before he agreed. I don't know how long these things need to be talked out, but if Rossi is committed to the organization, I could see an extension worked out quickly here. I'm not really concerned about an offersheet, as an offersheet can be matched and we have money.

    If there is a problem with protecting Kaprizov, it doesn't fall on Rossi. Zuccarello is the small guy on that line and is old. I think that's the guy who gets taken out, and we have one more year with him. Khus is another small guy, and he plays above his weight class. I think he's a keeper, and he needs to go to the shot doctor during the summer. Spurgeon is the other small guy who's also old. He's also one who gets taken out of the lineup. With those 2 smaller, older guys gone, suddenly this roster becomes much larger (not necessarily taller). I think this could work. 

    I do think we can get through Jets/Stars/Avs with Rossi. He just needs guys to have his back, and that likely falls on Midsy an Bogsy. NO MORE FREE SHOTS LIKE MORRISSEY TOOK ON STAAL. Dallas has some size, but they don't really use it. Avs got size and speed, but I think Rossi can do just fine. 

    So, I'm on board with an extension. My gut says bridge, unless a nice longterm number comes for the team. While we may pay more than we could have over the summer, Shooter likes a fair deal for the player, and I don't think he minds paying a guy what he's worth. However, I would caution against having designations attached.

    how many games are we winning against Stars/Jets/Avs in round 1 with this lineup?

    Rossi Zuccy Kap / Ek Boldy MJ

    No more free shots!! yeap that's the motto of all Wild players and fans. Every year it's our star players being brutalized. What do we do? We bring in and rely on 3/4th liners that scare nobody and only hurt the outcome (see Foligno last time). None of our big boys play with Kap. No one cares about 40 year old Bogo, who will be playing 5-7 mins per game. Imagine Zuccy or Rossi going to the net in a playoff game against our foes? How many periods will we have our top line intact? Do we say then Kap go out and protect yourself? Or put it all on Midds to be out there? 

    Bottom line - make moves that help you secure Kap - and that means playoff success and him being alive after them. Forget about baby austrian for a second. He'll get his contract if he performs. Zuccy won't be moved to other line. Him and Kap are a pair. They get Ek. Rossi moves down and plays with figure skater and Tuch.

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    12 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    MJ is not loved in Buffalo, that's where we originally got him from. I could see it being a cap dump, but it also might be better to tell MJ with his NTC, waive or waivers. 

    I do like the Lauko-Khus-Johansson line idea. I said it before, but this is what Chicago did their first cup run. That speed could catch other 4th lines flat footed.

    loved or not is irrelevant. they would be getting him only as a temporary $ filler. the move is for future. 

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    16 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    I don't know if even Billy would be stupid enough to shake this team up now. Much less sending Rossi down the road regardless of the return. This team is rolling and beating some of the best teams in the league without our stud Rooskie and two of our best D men. 

    Slicing and dicing on this team now would be very ill advised. Chemistry is a very fragile thing and this team has it right now in spades. You can replace players with others who tip the scales at twenty or thirty pounds of more muscle and much better stats but if you lose that chemistry ya got nothing. #Nashville

    Typically the good teams will add at the deadline, I would be very selective of who I was adding, but sticking a guy like Tuch who, I believe will fit in fine with this team, in Johansson's spot would have to be welcome. Even though Johansson has played better, he's a poor fit for L2W. Tuch would be a scary fit, probably help the PP, and bring tenacity. 

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    4 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I'm pretty sure that Buffalo could flip Johansson, but that NTC might make them nervous. What if we sent Johansson to the Capitals for a pick and included that pick + maybe Heidt and another pick for Tuch 50% retained?

    Johansson has always played well for the Caps, and they are down Backstrom, Oshie and Milano. They're way over budget, but still have LTIR room to add. At $2m, Johansson could be seen as an affordable upgrade. It also might be one of the only teams he'd waive for.

    i guess as a third team....maybe? but Caps seemed to be set up good up top. how would MJ fit in? they seem to be set in top 6 🤔

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    9 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    how many games are we winning against Stars/Jets/Avs in round 1 with this lineup?

    Rossi Zuccy Kap / Ek Boldy MJ

    No more free shots!! yeap that's the motto of all Wild players and fans. Every year it's our star players being brutalized. What do we do? We bring in and rely on 3/4th liners that scare nobody and only hurt the outcome (see Foligno last time). None of our big boys play with Kap. No one cares about 40 year old Bogo, who will be playing 5-7 mins per game. Imagine Zuccy or Rossi going to the net in a playoff game against our foes? How many periods will we have our top line intact? Do we say then Kap go out and protect yourself? Or put it all on Midds to be out there? 

    Bottom line - make moves that help you secure Kap - and that means playoff success and him being alive after them. Forget about baby austrian for a second. He'll get his contract if he performs. Zuccy won't be moved to other line. Him and Kap are a pair. They get Ek. Rossi moves down and plays with figure skater and Tuch.

    Do you know if KK97 wants Rossi on the roster or not?

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    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    what is your fascination with Rossi? i already said he can move to L2C and be with Boldy and hopefully Tuch. i am saying he cannot be L1C with Zuccy and Kap. That's it. He is not a number one priority for the team....just maybe some obsessive fans. Go buy his poster already and put it on your wall and relax. 

    I have no problem adding Tuch, but I think the lines should be a bit more fluid than who's on line 1 & 2. I happen to really like a Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov line 1, and a Zuccarello-Rossi-Tuch line 2 could be alright. Or, you could go Zuccarello-Ek-Tuch, and do Boldy-Rossi-Kaprizov? Move them around for best chemistry and hope all stay healthy!

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    26 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    Left d-men on the roster right now: Brodin, Chisholm, Merril, Lambos, Spurgeon

    Right d-men: Faber, Bogosian, Dermott and Middleton

    I think you might want to edit this

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    2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I have no problem adding Tuch, but I think the lines should be a bit more fluid than who's on line 1 & 2. I happen to really like a Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov line 1, and a Zuccarello-Rossi-Tuch line 2 could be alright. Or, you could go Zuccarello-Ek-Tuch, and do Boldy-Rossi-Kaprizov? Move them around for best chemistry and hope all stay healthy!

    Oh yeah, for sure. But there has to be an influx of physicality added to top 6. Tuch solves that. 

    Learn2spell brought up an interesting candidate in Voronkov. He seems to be doing well. Would it be shocking if Billy makes a play for him and moves Rossi? I don't know if he'll rock the boat that much but....

     

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    2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Then this is an enormous problem. 

    right, but i agree with you on shuffling up the top 6, as long as MJ is replaced by someone with physicality/meanness. you cannot have ZERO meanness on your top 6 line (besides Zuccy and his stick). Boldy is there for smiles. Ek is there to be punched. Then we have Zuccy, MJ, Rossi and Kap. Yes. Reality. NO ONE IN TOP 6 that can deter aggression. 

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    2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    The future has been "bright" before, when we picked up Pommy and created "Captain line", when we brought MN great Vanek, when we brought Finnish jesus over, when Zach Phillips scored 200 pts in lower league and we were giddy about him being a super steal from Sharks, when Guillaume Latendresse was brought in, when Nino was traded for Cal, when Wild brought in Suter and Parise, when Yeo lead the team, when another MN son Matty Cullen came  back, when Gabby scored 42 goals in 77 games.....

    This has awoken so much trauma in this fan…I’m just thankful you didn’t mention setoguchi, Colton Gilles or Chuck kobasew…

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    1 minute ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    This has awoken so much trauma in this fan…I’m just thankful you didn’t mention setoguchi, Colton Gilles or Chuck kobasew…

    haha i also decided to leave Richard Park, James Sheppard and Casey Wellman off that list

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    20 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Learn2spell brought up an interesting candidate in Voronkov. He seems to be doing well. Would it be shocking if Billy makes a play for him and moves Rossi? I don't know if he'll rock the boat that much but....

    I saw it and looked him up, guy's a monster! Unfortunately, I do not share L2S's logic. Voronkov is a 4th round pick who is succeeding in the N. This is not the guy you trade away, you trade away one of your top prospects if you have to, but you keep this guy. 

    CBJ has a lot of problems, but Voronkov (and their center depth) is not one of them. Boone Jenner, and James van Riemsdyk are the guys you move here, and likely guys who can get you a good pick. Voronkov is a guy you move up into the lineup, probably in Jenner's spot. Could be another Tage Thompson.

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