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  • The Wild Must Pay Now, Worry Later With Marco Rossi


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    When we wrote about Marco Rossi's game evolving during the season on Friday, we weren't expecting him to add a new wrinkle one day later. But that's the kind of thing that happens when you watch a player take "The Leap," so we've got to write more about it.

    On Saturday morning, Mats Zuccarello instructed the 23-year-old center in practice: Pass more. With Kirill Kaprizov's 23 goals out of the lineup, it's hard to fathom why you'd tell someone to score fewer goals. However, Rossi took the advice, and it worked like a dream. Rossi was dominant offensively despite having zero shots on goal, getting assists on all four goals in a 4-0 blanking of a 23-14-2 Carolina Hurricanes team.

    His passes were so smooth and on-point that you'd never know this was only Rossi's fourth multi-assist game in 143 career games. And, like most dominant outings, he had multiple passes that easily could have resulted in more goals. No one's about to turn up their nose at a young center on pace for 30 goals, but this was a coming-out party for the version of Rossi that led the OHL in assists during his draft year.

    Our Kaprizov-less Rossi point count is up to 11 in six games (these past five, plus November 23). His Kaprizov-like run as the team's offensive catalyst is vaulting him into the conversation of being among the best players in the NHL.

    Evolving-Hockey has two stats to measure a player's performance: Goals Above Replacement and xGoals Above Replacement. By both models, Rossi is a top-20 player in the league this year, worth 3.4 points in each metric. The only other NHLers in the top 20 in both metrics are Leon Draisaitl, Quinn Hughes, Cale Makar, Tom Wilson, Lucas Raymond, and Brandon Hagel.

    That's elite company, and it gets better when we look at it through a historical lens. The low-hanging fruit is how good Rossi has been compared to young players throughout Minnesota Wild history. We get it, it's a low bar to clear. Still, Rossi finds himself in elite company when you stack up his first 40 games against every Under-24 player in franchise history. 

    When you're out-pacing Rookie Kaprizov and Matt Boldy on a list... that's nice. That's real nice.

    Then you look at the all-around value Rossi's provided to the team, and he's got numbers that look an awful lot like the top centers of the last decade and a half. Let's look at the top seasons from an age-22 center since the 2007-08 season (Evolving-Hockey's age cut-off is by draft year, hence why he's 22 here) and see where Rossi stacks up.

    GAR/60 By An Age-22 Center:

    1. Alex Wennberg, 2017-18: 0.964
    2. Jonathan Toews, 2011-12: 0.962
    3. Brayden Point, 2018-19: 0.941
    4. Matt Duchene, 2013-14: 0.916
    5. MARCO ROSSI, 2024-25: 0.901
    6. Auston Matthews, 2020-21: 0.859
    7. Sidney Crosby, 2009-10: 0.848
    8. David Krejčí, 2008-09: 0.842
    9. Nathan MacKinnon, 2017-18: 0.806
    10. Ryan Getzlaf, 2007-08: 0.804

    Obviously, Wennberg is the big outlier here (and his drop-off can be explained by a history of concussions), but it's more enlightening to look at the rest of the list. Crosby and Toews are slam-dunk Hall of Famers. Matthews and MacKinnon are Hart Trophy winners. Ryan Getzlaf had over 1,000 points in his career, and Duchene (846 points at age 34) might join him in that group. Brayden Point has almost 600 points before turning 29. 

    Outside of Wennberg, the "worst case" in the top 10 is Krejčí, the No. 2 center behind Patrice Bergeron on a perennially contending Boston Bruins team that won a Stanley Cup. Still, 786 points in 1,032 games is nothing to sneeze at from an offensive standpoint.

    Rossi is the best asset any team could have right now: A young, productive No. 1 center. He's played every game since last season. He's produced without power play time, he's produced with power play minutes, he's produced with Kaprizov, he's produced more without Kaprizov. Dating back to last season, Rossi and Brock Faber are the only Wild players not to miss a game. 

    There's nothing left to prove, and it's time to pay up.

    Our last update on Rossi's future with Minnesota came from Michael Russo on December 26's "Worst Seats In the House" podcast -- five games and nine points ago. While Rossi doesn't appear to be on the trade block, the Wild are still in wait-and-see mode on a contract extension, with Kaprizov's final number on his mega-extension being the reason to wait.

    The Wild's priority No. 1 is undoubtedly ensuring Kaprizov stays in the State of Hockey for years to come. But Rossi is quickly becoming 1A.

    Assuming we're seeing the Real Rossi -- which feels fairly safe, given his draft pedigree -- it's almost impossible to overpay for what he brings to the table. He's a dynamic, two-way center on pace to score 31 goals and 76 points. The track record of centers who've produced to that degree at such a young age is very, very good. Then add in the defensive excellence he's showing, and we're talking about a player who can help Joel Eriksson Ek tilt the ice in the Wild's favor for years to come.

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    NHL front offices must build around their stars, and they need to build down the middle. Rossi fits both criteria.

    Heading into the season, Evolving-Hockey projected the AAV of a long-term (seven-year) Rossi extension to be $5.7 million. That's not a realistic price anymore. Looking at his peers from the 2020 Draft, Tim Stützle (40 points in 38 games this year) has an AAV of $8.35, Lucas Raymond (41 points in 39 games) just signed for $8.08 million per year, and Alexis Lafrenière (21 points in 38 games) is making $7.45 million.

    Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. By the time Kaprizov's extension kicks in, the NHL will (presumably) have raised the cap twice, and Mats Zuccarello's money will be off the books. If Minnesota has to trade a lesser player to make the overall picture work, that's the price you have to pay.

    Remember -- the goal is to keep Kaprizov long-term and to set themselves up to build a Cup winner around him. Kaprizov might score 100 points this season, even with 70 games. Locking down Kaprizov's center from his best-ever season has to sweeten the pot, no? The Wild can go to him and say, We're not just dumping money on you, but we're setting you up with the Nicklas Bäckström to your Alex Ovechkin for the next eight years. 

    Minnesota presumably had a chance to get in on the ground floor and didn't. That was a mistake. They don't have to make it again. The Wild can lock up their No. 1 center through his '20s and ensure that Rossi's rapidly-growing game doesn't lead to a rapidly-growing price tag. 

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    Get it done, and get it done fast.  I was worried when I saw 3-4 high priced extensions around the league in the off-season.  The Wild "could" have set the market low and gotten an Ek bargain.  Sure as shit can't do that now.  

    No cheap bridges, no team discounts, no, "hope someone offers a fool's ransom.". Rossi IS the fool's ransom, and he's going to laugh to the bank for about $2-2.5m more than the Wild could have had him for.  Rossi almost matched last year's point total in half a season, most coming in the last week.

    For a GM that usually signed people early, Guerin didn't get this right

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    16 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    No cheap bridges, no team discounts, no, "hope someone offers a fool's ransom.". Rossi IS the fool's ransom, and he's going to laugh to the bank for about $2-2.5m more than the Wild could have had him for.  Rossi almost matched last year's point total in half a season, most coming in the last week.

    For a GM that usually signed people early, Guerin didn't get this right

    It was said that the Wild never talked extension with Rossi's people, which did seem odd to me. You wonder what kind of deal might have been possible if they had engaged in contract discussions prior to this season.

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    Tony unloads with 25 different stats showing Rossi as equal or superior player to Draisailt, Makar, Crosby, MacKinnon and Matthews (also some guy named alex wennberg)

    Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. 

    Nah - you don't pay him now - you have to see how he plays in the playoffs, can he handle the intensity and physicality. If its a Yes, and if that brings his value up, then that's fine - he'll get 8.5 either way. But first, see how he performs on the big stage. 

    I am still 100% against having him as your L1C right now. He can play the Wing or be L2C but he won't be able to protect Kap and Zuccy. Yes, this has been a fine regular season. Regular season. Playoffs is different.

    You wait until season ends. See how the team performs and how each individual performed BEFORE you buy in for the next 5-7 years. You need to plan this out carefully to ensure Kap signs this July. Don't tell me "Kap wants to win and Rossi is a winner and therefore they are a match made in heaven" No. Not yet. It hasn't been proven until it's done in the playoffs. 

    Right now here are the knowns - he is an undersized skilled center and has a good stretch of games. Good for him and us. He has a very high trade value (stating the truth)

    Unknowns - can we go to battle against the big boys with our tiny skilled line? Can we match up and come out alive and victorious against Jets or Avs or Stars? Or will Kap / Rossi / Zuccy get demolished and whimper again?

    Play it out and after that - we do what's needed, but not now.

    Suggestion - Move Rossi to L2C and really go hard after FF or Tuch at trade deadline, both of them should be available. That evens out our first two lines pretty well. EK ZUCCY KAP. ROSSI BOLDY FF/TUCH.

     

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    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Unknowns -  ...and really go hard after FF or Tuch at trade deadline, both of them should be available. That evens out our first two lines pretty well. EK ZUCCY KAP. ROSSI BOLDY FF/TUCH.

     

    ODC....who is "FF" for the record?

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    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    You need to plan this out carefully to ensure Kap signs this July.

     

    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Suggestion - Move Rossi to L2C and really go hard after FF or Tuch at trade deadline, both of them should be available. That evens out our first two lines pretty well. EK ZUCCY KAP. ROSSI BOLDY FF/TUCH.

    Suggestion: Re-sign Rossi for Kap to be happy in July. Do what it takes to get Voronkov (Trenin + picks/prospects?) from Columbus for Kap to be happy in July. Voronkov can play center, allowing Ek to center a third line with Foligno and Hartman, and keeping Zuccarello-Rossi-Boldy together, leaving a Johansson-Voronkov-Kaprizov as a top line.

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    3 minutes ago, Lern2spell said:

     

    Suggestion: Re-sign Rossi for Kap to be happy in July. Do what it takes to get Voronkov (Trenin + picks/prospects?) from Columbus for Kap to be happy in July. Voronkov can play center, allowing Ek to center a third line with Foligno and Hartman, and keeping Zuccarello-Rossi-Boldy together, leaving a Johansson-Voronkov-Kaprizov as a top line.

    Johansson-Voronkov-Kaprizov - who is this Johansson guy?

    and who is Voronkov? school buddy of Kirill? I thought we had that in Trenin? who is playing very well lately. 

     

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    18 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    and who is Voronkov? school buddy of Kirill?

    Nope, they have probably never met. He is a 6'4, 200+ lb centerman, on an ELC and has 60pts in 106 games with Columbus. Bluejackets have scored the most goals in NHL this year, and he has been a big part of that. He has been playing both center and wing in their top-six this year. Less than $1M AAV, and has some team control forn 2 more years. He is a 4th rounder, and Columbus needs to make room for some 1st rounders currently playing down in the line-up and also coming up their pipeline. I think he could be had...

    Johansson is the puckmover currently on the Wild roster that could do precisely that for him and Kap.

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    3 minutes ago, Lern2spell said:

    Nope, they have probably never met. He is a 6'4, 200+ lb centerman, on an ELC and has 60pts in 106 games with Columbus. Bluejackets have scored the most goals in NHL this year, and he has been a big part of that. He has been playing both center and wing in their top-six this year. Less than $1M AAV, and has some team control forn 2 more years. He is a 4th rounder, and Columbus needs to make room for some 1st rounders currently playing down in the line-up and also coming up their pipeline. I think he could be had...

    how did i miss him this year? yeah looks like he is listed at 6'5'' and over 240. big boy. is he yashin 2.0? very tempting. and stats do look good. 

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    The contract does not need to start with an 8, it all depends on the term. They likely could get him for less on a short term deal that expires in a few years, but his next contract could far exceed an $8M cap hit if he continues to improve.

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    2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Tony unloads with 25 different stats showing Rossi as equal or superior player to Draisailt, Makar, Crosby, MacKinnon and Matthews (also some guy named alex wennberg)

    Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. 

    Nah - you don't pay him now - you have to see how he plays in the playoffs, can he handle the intensity and physicality. If its a Yes, and if that brings his value up, then that's fine - he'll get 8.5 either way. But first, see how he performs on the big stage. 

    I am still 100% against having him as your L1C right now. He can play the Wing or be L2C but he won't be able to protect Kap and Zuccy. Yes, this has been a fine regular season. Regular season. Playoffs is different.

    You wait until season ends. See how the team performs and how each individual performed BEFORE you buy in for the next 5-7 years. You need to plan this out carefully to ensure Kap signs this July. Don't tell me "Kap wants to win and Rossi is a winner and therefore they are a match made in heaven" No. Not yet. It hasn't been proven until it's done in the playoffs. 

    Right now here are the knowns - he is an undersized skilled center and has a good stretch of games. Good for him and us. He has a very high trade value (stating the truth)

    Unknowns - can we go to battle against the big boys with our tiny skilled line? Can we match up and come out alive and victorious against Jets or Avs or Stars? Or will Kap / Rossi / Zuccy get demolished and whimper again?

    Play it out and after that - we do what's needed, but not now.

    Suggestion - Move Rossi to L2C and really go hard after FF or Tuch at trade deadline, both of them should be available. That evens out our first two lines pretty well. EK ZUCCY KAP. ROSSI BOLDY FF/TUCH.

     

    Can't believe I'm actually in agreement with ODC, but I think this is an extremely good take and the best path forward.

    If he's going to already be in the $7-8M range (assuming for a moment that is correct), you might as well wait.  He's not going to be $9M at the end of the year, and maybe he cools off a bit and it ends up less than that.

    About the only part I think is unrealistic is Forsberg.  His contract is too much and he's got a NMC.  I don't think he waives it and I wouldn't want to give up any of our higher prices assets to get him.

    Tuch could happen, but again I'd prefer not to mess with most of the team.  If Johansson would waive his NTC and we could convince Buffalo to keep some of the contract, I'd give up a pick and Heidt.  I'd rather keep Yurov, but I'm not high on Heidt at all even though a lot of other people are.

    I don't know, I'm not real sure the Wild can make it work.  It depends on how Buffalo feels about their trajectory and what they feel they need.  There's a lot I wouldn't want to give up or would at least be very hesitant to.

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    No way Columbus moves Voronkov without major pieces going the other way unless Waddell just doesn't see him as one of his guys. 

    I wouldn't trade a big, skilled forward like that without getting a mint in return.

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    The Wild now have GOOD problems. 

    Guerin may not be perfect in the PR or fun-likable dept. but he's turned the Wild around. 

    Rossi only lacks a big, strong, defense game with lengthy reach and faceoff dominance. 

    He will deserve a big raise. Guerin's job hasn't been an easy one. What he does this off-season should be good. That's the best time and NoJo will be gone. I think Kaprizov knows the team is very close. When guys come back from injuries and when a final solution comes about related to Spurgeon, MN will look really good. The Wild need to keep Rossi as the long-term replacement for Zuccarello. He might need another 1-year deal too. 

    These are okay problems to have. The Wild appear to be true contenders. 

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    37 minutes ago, raithis said:

    No way Columbus moves Voronkov without major pieces going the other way 

    At some point soon, they will need to move somebody. Marchenko, Chinakhov, Sillinger, Johnson, and Fantilli are all 1st round picks and top six caliber players. You can add in Del Bel Belluz, Dumais, and Linstrom upcoming to that group. Management has some minor concerns with Voronkov's conditioning and lack of using his size. Are they going to move one of their top prospects or 1st rounders? Or are they willing to get a nice return on a 4th rounder?

    Yes, the Wild would need to give up some assets. But the Blue Jackets window opens in a couple of years. The Wild's window is open pretty wide right now.

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    1 hour ago, raithis said:

    Can't believe I'm actually in agreement with ODC, but I think this is an extremely good take and the best path forward.

    If he's going to already be in the $7-8M range (assuming for a moment that is correct), you might as well wait.  He's not going to be $9M at the end of the year, and maybe he cools off a bit and it ends up less than that.

    About the only part I think is unrealistic is Forsberg.  His contract is too much and he's got a NMC.  I don't think he waives it and I wouldn't want to give up any of our higher prices assets to get him.

    Tuch could happen, but again I'd prefer not to mess with most of the team.  If Johansson would waive his NTC and we could convince Buffalo to keep some of the contract, I'd give up a pick and Heidt.  I'd rather keep Yurov, but I'm not high on Heidt at all even though a lot of other people are.

    I don't know, I'm not real sure the Wild can make it work.  It depends on how Buffalo feels about their trajectory and what they feel they need.  There's a lot I wouldn't want to give up or would at least be very hesitant to.

    Thanks mate 🍻Yeah Forsberg is a dream. But imagine his game and his stache on a line with Boldy and Rossi? But i suppose the same impact could be had by bringing in Tuch and his full grown beard. spacer.png 

     

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    The contract does not need to start with an 8

    It doesn't need to start with an 8, but needs to start with a 7. Offer should be 8x7.25M. Make a 22 YO turn down $58M. If he doesnt accept, then it is on him, not Guerin. $7.25M is 8.28% of this year's cap, but will drop below 7% in just a couple of years, making it easier to move if need be. With any or all of Jiricek, Buium, Ohgren, Heidt, Yurov, Kumpulainen, and Stramel all coming off ELC's in any of the next three to four years, the Wild should take the cost certainty now.

    Also, anything less leaves open the possibility of an offer sheet.

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    52 minutes ago, Protec said:

    The Wild now have GOOD problems. 

    Guerin may not be perfect in the PR or fun-likable dept. but he's turned the Wild around. 

    Rossi only lacks a big, strong, defense game with lengthy reach and faceoff dominance. 

    He will deserve a big raise. Guerin's job hasn't been an easy one. What he does this off-season should be good. That's the best time and NoJo will be gone. I think Kaprizov knows the team is very close. When guys come back from injuries and when a final solution comes about related to Spurgeon, MN will look really good. The Wild need to keep Rossi as the long-term replacement for Zuccarello. He might need another 1-year deal too. 

    These are okay problems to have. The Wild appear to be true contenders. 

    That last point is their greatest obstacle. I do not believe they are contenders UNTIL they strengthen their core group and beat Central top teams. Here are their records against big boys in Central - makes you wonder about how schedule thus far - did someone save all these games for end of year? yikes....for us.

    • Dallas - lost 7 straight games until winning last game 3-2
    • Winnipeg - 8 games loosing streak!
    • Colorado - lost 7 of 8 games

    lets go with other Western conference biggies

    • Vegas - 2W 8L
    • Kings - 3W 7L

    So about True Contenders - how do we plan to beat these 5 teams? hoping that we end up playing Oilers instead? 

    These are fast / strong teams that will explode on to our baby crew. Wait till the two injured goons returned and we draw Daughty and his suter-like technique or that punk Landesf#k. 

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    That's true but the Wild have stayed near the top 5-6 teams. In that sense, they're in the conversation. I think you're right and I said they were too small with poor balance in the lineup last season. Not much has changed and NoJo inconceivably still plays L2 wing. The Wild's problems are not as bad as they used to be but I think size and defending is what they lack down the middle. We're on the same page there. 

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    5 minutes ago, Protec said:

    That's true but the Wild have stayed near the top 5-6 teams. In that sense, they're in the conversation. I think you're right and I said they were too small with poor balance in the lineup last season. Not much has changed and NoJo inconceivably still plays L2 wing. The Wild's problems are not as bad as they used to be but I think size and defending is what they lack down the middle. We're on the same page there. 

    Right on! Thoughts on the next plan to ready up for PO?

    The wild will finish with 100+ points and likely will be 2nd/3rd place in the Central. Billy knows what that means..... Another "glad to be here and see you again next year" OR does he look to load up for an actual battle?

    Going in with this current crew will undoubtedly mean a gentlemen sweep against Stars or Avs (if not worse - sweep and injuries - yes yes there could be another miracle) which deflates the season and kinda leaves a sour note on all and most importantly on Kap. he needs to get out of a first round.

    so what can Billy do?

    D - Not sure how much he can do with D line apart from hoping Midds returns .... and if not - who will push ANYONE from the crease? your top 4 is going to be Faber/Brodin/Spurge/Chissy - oh man - this is very light - Midds we need you!

    O - i think Billy is looking to beef up top 6. who goes out and comes in? going to be very interesting. Thoughts?

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    5 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Get it done, and get it done fast.  I was worried when I saw 3-4 high priced extensions around the league in the off-season.  The Wild "could" have set the market low and gotten an Ek bargain.  Sure as shit can't do that now.  

    No cheap bridges, no team discounts, no, "hope someone offers a fool's ransom.". Rossi IS the fool's ransom, and he's going to laugh to the bank for about $2-2.5m more than the Wild could have had him for.  Rossi almost matched last year's point total in half a season, most coming in the last week.

    For a GM that usually signed people early, Guerin didn't get this right

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    GMBG seems to like bigger, older, slower players. WTF Billy??!!

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    5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Nah - you don't pay him now - you have to see how he plays in the playoffs,

    What if he's good at GETTING the team to the playoffs? Because, ya know, ya can't play well (or poorly) in the playoffs if ya don't get there.

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    3 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    What if he's good at GETTING the team to the playoffs? Because, ya know, ya can't play well (or poorly) in the playoffs if ya don't get there.

    So are you saying our current lineup needs no change to top 6 and it'll be fine against Dallas/Colorado/Winnipeg? (that's likely who will play) There is no room to improve? we match up well?

    or are you saying that getting our ass kicked in the first round is great for morale and would no doubt make Kap sign off on contract extension in July this year, right after being eliminated in round 1 because Rossi is good? 

    Understand that the most important thing for the Wild has NOTHING to do with Rossi. Play well Marco and you'll be given the money. That's it. The number 1 priority is getting Kap out of 1st round and having him comfortable with his line and his team direction right now and in the VERY near future (which equates to his prime). Not 5 years away - NOW.

    After one of the most successful seasons in their existence.... after having a Vezina candidate goalie in Gus..... a good to great defense.... not to mention THE best player in the world - we limp out in round 1 AGAIN or do we put a banner up for making playoffs? you saying that we should reward players just for being good and getting us into the playoffs? is that the criteria for MN fans and their teams? 

    You don't think Kaprizov, who won EVERYWHERE, wants a bit more? I bet he does. 

     

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