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    On Sunday, the Minnesota Wild announced that exciting prospect Liam Öhgren would return to the lineup from his stint in Iowa. 

    The most inspiring part of the news? Öhgren was going to get an opportunity in the team’s top six. In an interview with the Minnesota Star Tribune, he discussed what would be different with this opportunity than his early-season struggles in Minnesota.

    “I missed that when I was up for the first time. I didn’t have that confidence,” said Öhgren, 20. “So, it was great to be down there, playing a lot of minutes — PP, PK, everything. And obviously to score some goals and throw up some points, it was good, for sure.”

    A confident Liam Öhgren could be a massive addition to the Wild, but they’ll have to give him chances to succeed. If the Wild can exercise patience, they could unleash a considerable force for their lineup.

    Öhgren’s Early-Season Roller Coaster

    Öhgren got his first look in the top six over the weekend, but it’s been a long road. He started the season with the Wild after being one of the team’s most exciting prospects coming into the season. 

    However, the talented young winger didn’t stick on the NHL roster. In limited action, Öhgren scored no points and failed to register a single high-danger shot attempt. He also averaged less than 10 minutes per game before being sent to the AHL. To make this season a success, Öhgren would need a massive bounceback in Iowa.

    Fortunately, Öhgren responded well to his assignment in Iowa. The Swedish left-winger scored at nearly a point-per-game pace, with 12 goals and 11 assists in 23 games. In his 23 AHL games, Iowa’s opponents only held Öhgren to zero shots in a game once and had three or more shots on goal 14 times. His increased assertiveness and willingness to use his shot produced excellent results, and he seemed primed to get another shot in Minnesota. 

    Despite his resurgence in Iowa and Minnesota’s myriad injuries throughout the year, Öhgren remained in Iowa. While spots were opening on the Wild, most were in the bottom six, a role where Öhgren had struggled. Letting him thrive in Iowa was better than risking his development. While Öhgren’s situation required patience in Minnesota, it’s likely the best move. Öhgren perfectly fits the Wild’s needs when he’s playing at his best.

    A Perfect Fit For the Wild’s Needs

    If the Wild can fully unleash Liam Öhgren, he's a perfect fit for the roster. The Wild are reasonably well set with high-end skill players like Kirill Kaprizov, Marco Rossi, and Matt Boldy. However, they haven’t surrounded those players with the size and grit Bill Guerin prioritizes. 

    The Wild aspire to have the identity of a club that's hard to play against and plays with physicality. That's why players like Marcus Foligno and Ryan Hartman continue to get minutes despite their waning offensive production. It’s also why Minnesota signed Yakov Trenin for his defensive ability despite his offensive shortcomings. 

    Those players are challenging to play against, but the team isn't posing much of a scoring threat when they're on the ice. Minnesota could use another scoring threat who plays with grit. 

    If Liam Öhgren plays to his potential, he can be that player.

    Öhgren's shot, motor, and physicality are the most celebrated parts of his game. When The Athletic’s Scott Wheeler profiled Öhgren, he wrote about his offensive skill that could help the Wild, should they develop it correctly. 

    "He's a bigger, stronger player than his two contemporaries in Djurgården and while he doesn't have Lekkerimäki's dynamism or Östlund's breeziness, that doesn't make him any less interesting as the shot-and-pass, power-and-finesse combination player that he is." Wheeler wrote. "His offensive arsenal is multi-faceted and he's got some really sneaky craftiness and evasiveness to his game to complement the tools of strength over the puck/through his shot that are obvious."

    Now that Minnesota has Öhgren playing higher in the lineup, he'll have a greater opportunity to showcase these skills. Öhgren doesn't profile as a superstar, but the Wild lack a player with his skill set in their forward group. A highly competitive power forward could completely change the dynamic of Minnesota's scoring lines.

    Mixed Results In His First Action

    While Öhgren is theoretically suited for the Wild’s needs, he must deliver on his potential. The skilled forward will still have to earn his spot. We got the first taste of Öhgren playing in the top six against the Nashville Predators over the weekend, and the results were negative. 

    Still, before we analyze Öhgren’s early results, we must note that none of the Wild's players had a good game in Nashville. That is to say, take the Predators game con grano salis. We’ll use Moneypuck’s game review for all the stats we discuss.

    Let’s start with the negatives. Liam Öhgren and his linemates didn’t produce many offensive chances. Öhgren’s most common line was with Joel Eriksson Ek and Ryan Hartman, and the trio only produced .093 on-ice expected goals for. That number was fourth on the team out of the five lines that played more than two minutes together. 

    Öhgren fared even worse defensively. He was on the ice for four goals against, including two after the Wild demoted him to a line with Frederick Gaudreau and Yakov Trenin. However, the trio only played 25 seconds of ice time. 

    After a poor performance in Nashville, Öhgren needed a bounceback against the Colorado Avalanche. Just as he did when he went to Iowa, he responded. Öhgren made a play in the first period when he penetrated the zone and kicked it back to Jacob Middleton, who scored. 

     

    The assist was Öhgren’s first NHL point of the season and was the perfect way to start what ended up being a positive game. He later assisted on another goal. When looking at Moneypuck’s game review for this game, his results were completely different than they were in Nashville. Öhgren dominated puck possession with a 66.7 Corsi-for percentage and a 73.6 expected goals percentage, the best mark among forwards. He was also among the team’s top contributors in raw expected goals despite playing only 9:04 minutes.

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    Öhgren’s had a good game in Denver. It was encouraging to see how well he played, even in limited minutes. If the Wild want to see what they have in Öhgren, they’ll need the patience to give him the chance to succeed. Öhgren’s latest game was a colossal step in the right direction. Games like that could greatly benefit Minnesota in meaningful games late in the season.

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    We fans don’t have a choice not to be patient.  How patient will Guerin be?   He’s got to send assets away in order to get top 6rs back.  Is ogz an expendable asset?  I say yes

    #hot take

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    25 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    How patient will Guerin be?   He’s got to send assets away in order to get top 6rs back.

    I would guess that patient teams end up with more assets to make moves when they truly need them--the Wild winning a cup this year doesn't seem possible, so trading for a more interesting team today doesn't excite me. Teams that try to accelerate their success often fail to reach the ultimate goal when they run out of assets to make a move to put them over the top.

    Ohgren could be part of a trade at some point, but he has a really bright future and may end up more productive in a couple of years than guys you could trade him for right now.

    The Wild currently have a pipeline of prospects that could improve the team along with cap space to do so. Trading assets now for players the Wild could get in the offseason doesn't seem like the best way to maximize assets for future years.

    Yes, I'm always fearful of the next Hanzal deal. That deal made the team worse in both the season he was obtained and in future years. Dallas selected both Jake Oettinger and Jason Robertson with picks that occurred later than the 1st round selection the Wild traded away in that 2017 draft.

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    *Prospect has a bad game*

    BAH THEY ARE SHIT, THEY ARE BAD, THE WILD ARE BAD

    *Prospect rebounds*

    KEEP THIS GUY HE"S GONNA BE GOOD, JUST YOU WAIT..but don't pay him a lot of money.

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    3 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    *Prospect has a bad game*

    BAH THEY ARE SHIT, THEY ARE BAD, THE WILD ARE BAD

    *Prospect rebounds*

    KEEP THIS GUY HE"S GONNA BE GOOD, JUST YOU WAIT..but don't pay him a lot of money.

    This would be REALLY funny if it weren’t an accurate summary of many comments on here. 😳

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    6 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    *Prospect has a bad game*

    BAH THEY ARE SHIT, THEY ARE BAD, THE WILD ARE BAD

    *Prospect rebounds*

    KEEP THIS GUY HE"S GONNA BE GOOD, JUST YOU WAIT..but don't pay him a lot of money.

    Don't look now but Charlie may be finding his groove. Wouldn't that be nice...

    The Wild prospect pool is looking pretty good again to go along with a team that's outperforming expectations yet again despite a myriad of injuries yet again. Go Wild!!

    Stramel is finding the net and his teammates, may just be the big man's skates and IQ are catching up with his body.

    Buium is making a historic run for Consecutive 50 point seasons for a college Dman which has not been done for 2 1/2 decades.

    Yurov (who likely has been getting his minutes cut to develop youngsters who will replace him) should be a top 6 forward sooner rather than later.

    Ang Ogzie has looked good in his recent stint at IA and with the Wild. The future looks bright, don't blow it up BG. And for those saying the Wild need to get bigger well thats in the pipeline and looking like it could happen soon with the Oger and Charlie...

     

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    1 minute ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    Buium is making a historic run for Consecutive 50 point seasons for a college Dman which has not been done for 2 1/2 decades.

    Could end up being the biggest steal for the Wild since Kaprizov.

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    23 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    This would be REALLY funny if it weren’t an accurate summary of many comments on here. 😳

    But, but, we can't wait for possible prospects, we must win now. Trade everyone, prospects are garbage, Bill G is incompetent. He hasn't exploded onto the scene yet so he will never get there. (This is tongue in cheek to clarify). Just wanted to get ahead of the game on this.

    But seriously, confidence is huge for players, if you are playing with doubt and tentative, worried about making a mistake and gripping stick too tight, thinking instead of playing you aren't going to make it. I don't expect him to be a 50/50 guy, but as others have pointed out, looks better than a number of guys currently on roster.  Hopefully a few more games like he had against the Avs will solidify the idea he belongs and can play at this level. Even if he gets sent down the message of what needs to be worked on may hit differently, a way to improve versus how to get a shot. He is 20, almost 21, doesn't even have big boy strength and mentality yet. Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction.

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    51 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    the Wild winning a cup this year doesn't seem possible, so trading for a more interesting team today doesn't excite me.

    I agree a trade wouldn't be for a run this season.  But a trade involving Ogz as part of a package (TDL or Off-season more likely) would be to get 97 a legit top 6 NHL linemate.  And if you believe our pipeline is full of can't miss NHL'rs well you can't pay them all so might as well flip the lower end prospects for assets that can play now. I'm with ODC on this one, if 97 walks this org. goes back to the Wes Walz/Mikko Koivu "little engine that could" and no one wants to go back to that.

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    26 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I'm with ODC on this one, if 97 walks this org. goes back to the Wes Walz/Mikko Koivu "little engine that could" and no one wants to go back to that.

    Well, ODC's idea is to trade for a top 6 player in-season, and nearly all high-end players are signed to a contract the Wild cannot fit under their cap unless they pay extra to have others retain salary and include some of their small contract, highly promising young players.

    I'm all for going all out to retain Kaprizov and/or sign Rantanen in the summer and I think the Wild have a strong situation to do that. I just don't see a lot of opportunity to make a move in-season, and since it would cost future assets, I'd be compelled to wait until the summer to completely set the path forward.

    They've been building towards 2025 for years now and I don't see a good path to adding a major talent at the trade deadline when the Wild have less than $1M in cap space to work with. Virtually every fan and everyone in the organization wants Kaprizov to stick around. I just think the team they can build around him will be better if they are patient and make their improvements in the summer.

    If they get creative and make something happen, I'll probably be in favor of it, but it's hard to see what they can do that will make them better in 2025 and beyond.

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    2 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Well, ODC's idea is to trade for a top 6 player in-season, and nearly all high-end players are signed to a contract the Wild cannot fit under their cap unless they pay extra to have others retain salary and include some of their small contract, highly promising young players.

    I'm all for going all out to retain Kaprizov and/or sign Rantanen in the summer and I think the Wild have a strong situation to do that. I just don't see a lot of opportunity to make a move in-season, and since it would cost future assets, I'd be compelled to wait until the summer to completely set the path forward.

    They've been building towards 2025 for years now and I don't see a good path to adding a major talent at the trade deadline when the Wild have less than $1M in cap space to work with. Virtually every fan and everyone in the organization wants Kaprizov to stick around. I just think the team they can build around him will be better if they are patient and make their improvements in the summer.

    If they get creative and make something happen, I'll probably be in favor of it, but it's hard to see what they can do that will make them better in 2025 and beyond.

    ok so why is it impossible to get Tuch? seriously tell me? If Buffalo says OK

    we retain half and another team picks up a 2nd round pick for a mil. 

    then we send them one of our picks (not Zeev/Yurov) and a player

    IS THERE AN ISSUE HERE?

    as for Kap - there is no more patience

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    45 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

    But, but, we can't wait for possible prospects, we must win now. Trade everyone, prospects are garbage, Bill G is incompetent. He hasn't exploded onto the scene yet so he will never get there. (This is tongue in cheek to clarify). Just wanted to get ahead of the game on this.

    But seriously, confidence is huge for players, if you are playing with doubt and tentative, worried about making a mistake and gripping stick too tight, thinking instead of playing you aren't going to make it. I don't expect him to be a 50/50 guy, but as others have pointed out, looks better than a number of guys currently on roster.  Hopefully a few more games like he had against the Avs will solidify the idea he belongs and can play at this level. Even if he gets sent down the message of what needs to be worked on may hit differently, a way to improve versus how to get a shot. He is 20, almost 21, doesn't even have big boy strength and mentality yet. Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction.

    go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

    might be wise to wait and see first.....but sure go ahead

    Wally turned out a stud and Ohgren immediately became a staple in our top 6

     

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    15 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

    might be wise to wait and see first.....but sure go ahead

    Wally turned out a stud and Ohgren immediately became a staple in our top 6

     

    ODC I'm in somewhat of agreement here, don't crown him as a savoir on the backend before he sees NHL ice but it's not just people here that are high on him immediately making an impact as soon as college season is over.

    HOWEVER, he's not going to be worse than Merrill and will compete hard for a spot with Chisholm straight out of the gate so at worst he's 3rd pair. I could honestly see Chisholm as bait for a trade coming up with Buium coming in hot. 

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    18 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    ok so why is it impossible to get Tuch? seriously tell me? If Buffalo says OK

    we retain half and another team picks up a 2nd round pick for a mil. 

    I'm not saying it's impossible to get Tuch, but if the Wild trade out Rossi(who has more goals and more assists) and a 2nd round pick to do that, how much better does that actually make the Wild?

    Tuch is a solid player and I'd be happy to have him on the team, but Buffalo isn't going to give him away for free, or straight up for Trenin.

     

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    2 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

    ODC I'm in somewhat of agreement here, don't crown him as a savoir on the backend before he sees NHL ice but it's not just people here that are high on him immediately making an impact as soon as college season is over.

    HOWEVER, he's not going to be worse than Merrill and will compete hard for a spot with Chisholm straight out of the gate so at worst he's 3rd pair. I could honestly see Chisholm as bait for a trade coming up with Buium coming in hot. 

    i am cautiously optimistic he is good, but let's pump the breaks a bit. many teams have past on him. why? are all of them idiots? and we the only smart ones? 

    we've seen it before (steal of the draft....yeap)  - agree with ya - let's wait and see

    For all the shit he gets, Merrill stepped up yesterday and did the dirty work for us and we got out with a W. No one will write about that but they really should. He has been solid recently. 

    Agree on Chissy being out. I really like him but i suppose you can replace him with Zeev and let him be the PP specialist and ease him in playing 3rd pair "light" minutes. 

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    23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

    might be wise to wait and see first.....but sure go ahead

    Wally turned out a stud and Ohgren immediately became a staple in our top 6

     

    Dude, read things, direct quote from me you couldn't comprehend

    "Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction."

    Sky isn't falling, he isn't the next great one. Just wait and see, trajectory seems positive. Deep breaths

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    6 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    I'm not saying it's impossible to get Tuch, but if the Wild trade out Rossi(who has more goals and more assists) and a 2nd round pick to do that, how much better does that actually make the Wild?

    Tuch is a solid player and I'd be happy to have him on the team, but Buffalo isn't going to give him away for free, or straight up for Trenin.

     

    buffalo is out of the race, they are likely needing another tear down. they will be keeping their D and their goalie is solid. maybe they are looking to get some solid prospects? let them pick from ANYONE not named Zeev/Yurov. Leave Rossi out. Who knows. It won't hurt to inquire. 

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    23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

     

     

    Anyone that wants to help me, feel free. We can do it in my garage... No dope or LSD though, but a couple of quarts of beer is fine...

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    2 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    Anyone that wants to help me, feel free. We can do it in my garage... No dope or LSD though, but a couple of quarts of beer is fine...

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    Actual size or Vegas scaled? Asking for an Old Dutch Dlck.

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    12 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

    Dude, read things, direct quote from me you couldn't comprehend

    "Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction."

    Sky isn't falling, he isn't the next great one. Just wait and see, trajectory seems positive. Deep breaths

    Comprehension isn’t in ODD’s top-5 strengths.

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    43 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    as for Kap - there is no more patience

    How the F do you know? It’s crap comments like this that mucks up comments amongst rational fans.

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