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    The Minnesota Wild's Saturday night win over the Vancouver Canucks was necessary to turn down the heat. Losing eight of nine games, including the first four of a six-game homestand, was threatening to boil over. But the win just lifted the pot from the flame for two days. A loss tonight against the Nashville Predators could put Minnesota right back on the stove.

    If so, you'll start to hear some outcry from the fans, who won't be appreciative of a 1-3-2 or 1-2-3 homestand. We can also bet that ownership, the front office, and the coach will not enjoy that, either. In fact, we've started hearing the first rumblings of a shake-up with the Wild.

    From Friday's piece in The Athletic, Joe Smith and Michael Russo wrote:

    This is where [Bill Guerin] has to seriously look at who actually wants to be here — and who should be here. There may not be many big names available via trade, but it’s not out of the question for a hockey trade to be made where a veteran on this team is moved. That’ll send more of a jolt than picking up a middle-six or fourth-line forward.

    We don't know whether this was Smith and Russo speculating, or if they were hearing it from somewhere, but the two beat writers usually don't put stuff out there without some smoke behind it. And indeed, while we haven't heard of veterans being shopped, Russo reported on Tuesday's Worst Seats in the House podcast that he believes Guerin has called in on a potential trade for Toronto Maple Leafs forward Nick Robertson.

    If Guerin needs to move someone to shake things up, it shouldn't be too hard. Teams have dollars to spend with the rising cap, and a top-nine forward or a regular defenseman is always in demand for NHL squads.

    There's just one problem: Who can they move?

    Go to the Wild's PuckPedia page, and you're gonna see a lot of anchors and a lot of shields. Those are the players who have No-Move and/or No-Trade protections in their contracts. These aren't all bulletproof protections, and we'll break those down in a moment. Still, the Wild are incredibly restricted as to what they can or can't do to shake up their room.

    The two most obvious candidates, based on their early-season play, have the tightest restrictions. Jake Middleton ($4.35 million cap hit, minus-0.8 Standings Points Above Replacement) and Marcus Foligno ($4 million AAV, minus-0.9 SPAR) both have full-NMCs. That's total and complete control over where they'd go — or whether they'd go. Even if they were willing to move, Middleton's contract would be difficult to trade to another team, given its term (the first of four years) and his play.

    The three other full NMCs on the team make no sense to trade. Mats Zuccarello's injury makes it impossible to trade anyway, and besides, the Wild are missing his offense and leadership, and are depending on his return to right the ship. Kirill Kaprizov and Filip Gustavsson have combined for $170 million in extensions in the past five weeks.

    Right there, that's about a quarter of Minnesota's NHL roster that's completely immobile.

    So what about the No-Trade Clauses? The Wild have four of these players, and none of them has final say over where they go. That's important because years ago, Guerin showed with the Eric Staal trade that he's not afraid to be aggressive in finding a team that slips off a no-trade list. These players are:

    In theory, everyone on this list should have a taker, even when dealing with a pool of 17, 22, or 24 teams. Tarasenko can at least be a power-play specialist. Despite Hartman's antics, he's a useful, gritty, top-nine forward. Spurgeon is a 20-minute-a-night right-shot defenseman. Eriksson Ek as a third-line center would be an incredible luxury for a loaded Stanley Cup Contender. But to what benefit?

    Immediately, cross off Tarasenko as a shake-up move. A big name getting moved out might look attention-grabbing on the surface, but Tarasenko has been in Minnesota for 13 games. Is that going to rock a locker room, or would a Central Division basement dweller offloading a pending UFA be met with a shrug? The latter feels like the best guess.

    Both Spurgeon and Eriksson Ek have had relatively slow starts, but both feel too important to the team's fabric to move. John Hynes gave Spurgeon's players-only meeting at least some credit for Minnesota responding against Vancouver, and it sounds like the captain still has a handle on the locker room. Besides, the team doesn't seem prepared to give his 21 minutes a night to David Jiříček. As for Joel Eriksson Ek, the team is looking to get help for their do-it-all center, not deplete their center depth.

    Hartman makes the most sense to trade out of this group. He's got the longevity, having been there for seven years, which would make for a legitimate shake-up. But of the 17 teams he'd go to, how many of them would fear his disciplinary problems arising again? It'd have to be a few, at least. And whatever you want to say about him, he's a center with 36 shots on goal, fourth on the team. Can Minnesota spare that offense now?

    Now, for the players with no protections whatsoever. It'd feel short-sighted to move out established Under-25 players like Matt Boldy, Marco Rossi, or Brock Faber, even if that would constitute a jolt to the locker room. Presumably, anyone younger wouldn't have the clout in the locker room to send significant ripple effects. As for older players, both Zach Bogosian and Nico Sturm are injured and can't be traded.

    So now we're left with... three names. Yakov Trenin, Marcus Johansson, and Jonas Brodin.

    We see similar pitfalls to these three names as we do for the rest of the team. Trenin's contract ($3.5M AAV, UFA 2028) is a huge damper on his trade value. Johansson is a pending UFA who's one of the few forwards who are actually producing. Brodin has been with the organization since 2011, but is also the Wild's most valuable defenseman this year. He'd get interest on the market, for sure, but flipping him wouldn't constitute a shake-up. It'd be waving the white flag on the season.

    Maybe Guerin can surprise and find a way to add to the team without taking much else away. But from where the contracts stand, Minnesota is in a trade market purgatory. Their most sparable assets are either locked in to the Wild, or too unproductive/expensive to trade. Their most movable players are too integral to the team, or too young to make sense to ship out. If a shock to the system is needed to save the season, it's hard to see how the Wild can meaningfully deviate from the status quo.

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    He’s the order of most likely dealt imo:

    1) Rossi

     2) Hartman

     3) brodin

     4) Ek

    i think dealing brodin would be the most savvy.  He’s got alot of miles and is showing wear and tear, and a contender would pay alot for this shut down D.  I’d be sad to see Hartman go because he’s the player with most dawg in him.  

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    Brodin and Spurgeon have the most value for us to trade out.  I would think Spurgeon would get us a good 21 or 22 year old prospect with high projections.  Brodin should have an even better return.  Personally I would move Nojo.  He has been playing well, has an unbelievably cap friendly contract and you could probably get the same prospect as you got for Spurgeon.

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    37 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

     I’d be sad to see Hartman go because he’s the player with most dawg in him.  

    It is tough not to like Hartman.  You like the Dawg in him.  I like that the guy seems to see the ice different than everyone else and he has skill.  That being said he isn't bringing either to the ice very efficiently anymore or often.  He is 8th in points on the Wild and a -4 and a target for the refs.  Hartman has 3rd line numbers.  With another year on the contract that is relatively friendly he could possibly draw in a pretty good return.

    Ever since that fight he had where he hurt is shoulder he hasn't been the same.  He shows flashes of his former self... but his time appears limited.  Give him a chance at a cup with a good team and see what value you can get in return.

    Note: I don't want to just give him away.  A good return would be needed.

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    13 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Brodin and Spurgeon have the most value for us to trade out.

    I'll contradict my own comment.  Ek has the most value of any player we have.  That being said... I kind of consider him to be off the table.  Brodin and Spurgeon would be the best "On The Table" options.

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    Smart move would be to parlay top D prospect Zeev (future potential ) for top 5 player Pasta(proven result) - that aligns us for peak years for Boldy Ek Kap and Pasta, you’d likely loose Rossi, Ohgren or Yurov and Zeev and a pick - but you can go for it all in the next 5-7 years - I don’t think it’s too bad of an outcome for either team (fair blockbuster)

    I bet there’ll be takers to join Wild on the cheap too next year (Panarin perhaps)

    reality - Bill will ship Rossi for Buravskiy or some other crap

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    Trade with Calgary for Kadri and their 1st pick.  Open up the prospect pool and get rid of two or three of the players that are never going to play in St. Paul.  Trade Brodin or Spurgeon or whoever wants to go plus Hiedt or Haight or Ohgren or one of the other prospects that are not all that great. 

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    2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Smart move would be to parlay top D prospect Zeev (future potential ) for top 5 player Pasta(proven result) - that aligns us for peak years for Boldy Ek Kap and Pasta, you’d likely loose Rossi, Ohgren or Yurov and Zeev and a pick - but you can go for it all in the next 5-7 years

    I really hope you are joking...   right?

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    25 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I really hope you are joking...   right?

    Why?

    is it not in our interest to push all in with two all world players like Kap and Pasta? Add to that Boldy and Ek - where is the downside?

    or do you prefer to keep building for something? 

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    21 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    is it not in our interest to push all in with two all world players like Kap and Pasta? Add to that Boldy and Ek - where is the downside

    Yurov, Rossi, Zeev, Ohgren and picks for 1 player....  2 guys do not make a roster.  Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar.

    We wouldn't have a team

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    45 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Yurov, Rossi, Zeev, Ohgren and picks for 1 player....  2 guys do not make a roster.  Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar.

    We wouldn't have a team

    i did say Yurov or Ohgren, but regardless - they are both not playing right now because they are NOT ready. as for picks - they are unknown and take time to develop....meaning they would not yield return for years. so kap's years would be served as a sherpa to the next line of wild "elite"?

    look, we are talking about zeev and rossi for pasta. that's a steal! are you really going to be against that? or against the lineup with pastrnak kaprizov boldy ek? who will stop it? you get 2 top 5 players in the league. boldy will have much easier time and will likely blossom into a top 10-15 player. but you want to punt that to wait for yurov? and zeev? 

    Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar.  - that is a typical wild delusional thinking.

    yurov i still learning the game, he needs seasoning and he'll max out as maybe a top 6 player. to say he will be fantastic is a bit much (tamper that expectation). and saying zeev = makar? well i guess if you think that - then all is well in wild universe. 

    bottom line - you need to know when to strike. vegas knew and knows it still. so does florida. yet we choose the patient route. to say that rossi and zeev is too much for pastrnak is something only a wild fan would say. 

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    NoJo's value has never been higher than it is right now. Six game scoring streak for him is the equivalent  Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak. Otherwise, the only move this club needs to make is bring up the "highly touted" prospects and get them some ice time. They will be needed at one point or another during the season.

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    Spurgeon, Brodin, Tarasenko, JoJo, Foligno and unfortunately Hartman, but he's just so versatile in our lineup.  It ALL depends what's coming back the other way, but if we're upgrading center or looking a another potential superstar, Rossi and Ek are on the table, or even Buium, Faber, potentially Boldy or at some point flipping one of our goalies in the future.  I don't see anything happening before Xmas, the standings are still too close for all teams.

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    18 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    Maybe we can trade for Boston's first line center, Khusy!  Game tying goal and shootout winner.

    Wild fans are in the worst timeline right now.   Is the Russian Khuz going to be the reason bill gets replaced?  

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    What is really frustrating is that SillyG gave trade protection to Trenin and Foligno while WAY overpaying them. It was completely unnecessary.  Their bloated contracts are all the trade protection they will ever need!

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    9 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    i did say Yurov or Ohgren, but regardless - they are both not playing right now because they are NOT ready. as for picks - they are unknown and take time to develop....meaning they would not yield return for years. so kap's years would be served as a sherpa to the next line of wild "elite"?

    look, we are talking about zeev and rossi for pasta. that's a steal! are you really going to be against that? or against the lineup with pastrnak kaprizov boldy ek? who will stop it? you get 2 top 5 players in the league. boldy will have much easier time and will likely blossom into a top 10-15 player. but you want to punt that to wait for yurov? and zeev? 

    Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar.  - that is a typical wild delusional thinking.

    yurov i still learning the game, he needs seasoning and he'll max out as maybe a top 6 player. to say he will be fantastic is a bit much (tamper that expectation). and saying zeev = makar? well i guess if you think that - then all is well in wild universe. 

    bottom line - you need to know when to strike. vegas knew and knows it still. so does florida. yet we choose the patient route. to say that rossi and zeev is too much for pastrnak is something only a wild fan would say.

    That trade by itself will not make us a contender.  We are 3 to 4 players away from being a contender.  McKinnon and Makar are easily as good as Pastrnak and Kirill.... and they have really good roster around them.  

    The Wild have a very good d core forming.  You don't win without a solid D-core.  If you want to ship some of them out you need a replacement.  Hunt isn't it. 

    If BG wants to be serious about contending you have to subtract the weak spots and make them strong.  To do that you need to define the weak spots.  In our top 6 I think it is obvious that Nojo and Senko need to go.   Zuc is an improvement but I'm not sure he moves the needle enough for 1 of them and we need 2.

    In the bottom 6 we need to push out Pitlick and Jones.  Sturm replaces Jones so that leaves Pitlick.  Just one player.. but yes.. it matters.  BG is committed to building through the draft....then do it already.  

     

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    9 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    that is a typical wild delusional thinking

    Some of the best teams in the league today are where they are because of that delusional thinking of building through the draft.  McKinnon, Makar, McDavid, Crosby... and the list goes on and on of players that were inserted into the lineup at one point or another and given a chance to learn.  That Delusional thinking has won the cup.

     

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    16 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    He’s the order of most likely dealt imo:

    1) Rossi

     2) Hartman

     3) brodin

     4) Ek

    i think dealing brodin would be the most savvy.  He’s got alot of miles and is showing wear and tear, and a contender would pay alot for this shut down D.  I’d be sad to see Hartman go because he’s the player with most dawg in him.  

    They aren’t dealing Rossi you goofball. Let it go. No matter how much you want it to happen, it’s not happening anytime soon. Who are we going to get? Nick Robertson for Rossi? Trade our 1st line center for a role player in Robertson who is a 5’9 winger  with a career high 27pts? Who are they trading Rossi for? I can’t wait to see the ridiculous suggestion from you. Tage Thompson? 😂😆

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    27 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    BG is committed to building through the draft....then do it already.

    Time is now for our 21 yr old first rounders, and they are currently: 1) still in Iowa 2) healthy scratched on a roster full of career journeyman

     wasn’t it Pronman who said this prospect pool was top’s in the league a couple years ago.  Officially ignoring that click baiter going forward

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    25 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    That trade by itself will not make us a contender.  We are 3 to 4 players away from being a contender.  McKinnon and Makar are easily as good as Pastrnak and Kirill.... and they have really good roster around them.  

    The Wild have a very good d core forming.  You don't win without a solid D-core.  If you want to ship some of them out you need a replacement.  Hunt isn't it. 

    If BG wants to be serious about contending you have to subtract the weak spots and make them strong.  To do that you need to define the weak spots.  In our top 6 I think it is obvious that Nojo and Senko need to go.   Zuc is an improvement but I'm not sure he moves the needle enough for 1 of them and we need 2.

    In the bottom 6 we need to push out Pitlick and Jones.  Sturm replaces Jones so that leaves Pitlick.  Just one player.. but yes.. it matters.  BG is committed to building through the draft....then do it already.  

     

    core of kaprizov, pastrnak, boldy and ek is not enough? hmm even if our bottom 6 is flawed, it is still a core that would push us into contention

    you can see how far that model took EDM. that is a very good outcome. and oilers do it with offensive power concentrated in the very top. there is less pressure on D when you can dominate the play. it also lessens the toll on aging Brodin and Spurgy. And places Faber in the lead. 

    once Sturm and Zuccy is back, we push out the Pitlicks and Jones and build out bottom 6. heck you could make another trade at the deadline too. 

    but with this option you have a route forward and a chance to maximize on your top players' peak. the other option is just to waste the prime of your best player as you wait on jiricek, yurov and zeev. 

     

     

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    30 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Some of the best teams in the league today are where they are because of that delusional thinking of building through the draft.  McKinnon, Makar, McDavid, Crosby... and the list goes on and on of players that were inserted into the lineup at one point or another and given a chance to learn.  That Delusional thinking has won the cup.

     

    it's been 10 years since Wild won a playoff series and yet the diehards remain faithful that success is just around the corner. not now, but in a few years. another five year plan as we await on zeev to turn into makar and yurov to be a superstar? all while wasting Kaprizov? yup - not weird - Wild!

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    28 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    They aren’t dealing Rossi you goofball. Let it go. No matter how much you want it to happen, it’s not happening anytime soon. Who are we going to get? Nick Robertson for Rossi? Trade our 1st line center for a role player in Robertson who is a 5’9 winger  with a career high 27pts? Who are they trading Rossi for? I can’t wait to see the ridiculous suggestion from you. Tage Thompson? 😂😆

    No, not just Tage. Tage and Tuch, but we'll probably have to, begrudgingly, throw in MoJo...

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    40 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    They aren’t dealing Rossi you goofball. Let it go. No matter how much you want it to happen, it’s not happening anytime soon. Who are we going to get? Nick Robertson for Rossi? Trade our 1st line center for a role player in Robertson who is a 5’9 winger  with a career high 27pts? Who are they trading Rossi for? I can’t wait to see the ridiculous suggestion from you. Tage Thompson? 😂😆

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