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  • The Wild Created A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy With Marco Rossi


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    Tony Abbott

    Somehow, the biggest lightning rod in the Minnesota Wild's abbreviated playoff run was the player with the team's third-fewest minutes. But that's what fans will focus on when a team takes Marco Rossi, their second-leading scorer in the regular season, and plays him for 11 minutes and 8 seconds per night.

    For context, that's less than Marat Khusnutdinov, a fourth-line center with seven points in 57 games, got during the regular season.

    Having seen the Wild's postseason play out, it's clear what happened. John Hynes (and possibly Bill Guerin, judging from some of his radio comments) decided that Rossi couldn't make an impact in a series against the Vegas Golden Knights. He started on the third line with Marcus Foligno and a clearly washed Gustav Nyquist, a role Rossi hadn't been in all season. After struggling in his playoff debut, the Wild demoted him to the fourth line with Yakov Trenin and Justin Brazeau.

    And that's where he stayed. Scoring goals in back-to-back games didn't get him out of the doghouse. Engaging physically in Game 5, where he registered three hits and three blocked shots, didn't do the trick, either. No style of play, no level of success was getting him off the fourth line. There was nothing he could do

    In doing so, the Wild doomed Rossi to their self-fulfilling prophecy. By treating him as if he couldn't make an impact, they put him in a position where he was least capable of making one. Despite the three points in six games -- a 0.50 PPG average that is, mind you, tied for 19th in franchise history, between Kevin Fiala (0.53 PPG) and Mikko Koivu (0.47) -- Minnesota got a result they can point to and back up their suspicions. 

    His detractors (including those in the Wild organization) can point to three flashpoints:

    1. Rossi being on the ice for the Game 5 overtime goal.
    2. His double minor in Game 6.
    3. And his having the worst expected goals percentage at 5-on-5 this series, as noted by The Athletic.

    Make of the errors what you'd like, I guess. Rossi was part of that Game 5 breakdown -- although there's a pretty good case that Zach Bogosian was more responsible. Even though Brayden McNabb lifted Rossi's stick into his own face in Game 6, Rossi still has to control his stick.

    But as for his expected goals percentage... what did the Wild expect?

    Out of 18 forwards with 150-plus minutes at 5-on-5 for the Wild during the regular season, Trenin was 10th in goals for percentage (44.4) and 11th in expected goals for percentage (47.5). Brazeau ranked dead last in both categories. Both players were in the bottom half of generating actual and expected goals per hour.

    That trio didn't generate offense outside of two nice passes off a Trenin forecheck. The Rossi-Trenin duo combined to get just a 28.5% share of the expected goals in their limited time on the ice. Minnesota generated expected goals at a rate of 0.99 per hour with that tandem, which is abysmal. When apart from Trenin, his expected goals share boosted up to 49.3%, and the Wild generated 2.44 expected goals per hour. 

    If you're looking for a reason why Rossi would have disappointing numbers with Trenin and Brazeau, it's not hard to figure out. There's a reason Hynes doesn't consider playing Matt Boldy or Kirill Kaprizov on the fourth line for an entire playoff series.

    Maybe you're thinking something like, Look, a player isn't entitled to a spot in the lineup because they scored 60 points in the regular season. This is professional sports. It's not about fairness or being a hard-working kid with a good attitude who does everything the team asks of him. It's about results.

    And, hey, maybe that's right. So let's take a look at Rossi's results.

    In 66:47 of all-situations time, Rossi scored three points. Mind you, only 3:30 of that was on the power play, less time than the likes of Nyquist and Marcus Johansson. Despite being a power play afterthought, he put up 2.70 points per hour during his ice time.

    For fun, here's a list of Wild players who Rossi's career points per hour rate beats out:

    Zach Parise, 2.66 points per hour
    Kirill Kaprizov, 2.40 points per hour
    Marian Gaborik, 2.36 points per hour
    Ryan Hartman, 2.30 points per hour
    Jason Pominville, 2.28 points per hour
    Wes Walz, 2.26 points per hour
    Brian Rolston, 2.03 points per hour
    Kevin Fiala, 1.89 points per hour
    Pavol Demitra, 1.86 points per hour
    Matt Boldy, 1.86 points per hour
    Eric Staal, 1.86 points per hour
    Nino Niederreiter, 1.82 points per hour

    Small sample size, but damn, that sounds like someone Minnesota should've put on the ice if they wanted not to lose three games by a goal each.

    Only Hynes didn't do that. It's one thing for a coach to bury his team's second-leading scorer on the fourth line and win the series. They can claim they pushed the right buttons, and scoreboard. Who's gonna argue? But when they lose a series of one-goal games? There are gonna be questions to answer, especially for a coach whose playoff results aren't exactly above reproach.

    It was a predictable outcome for the Wild, partly because they ensured it, both for Rossi and the series as a whole. Minnesota played Rossi on the fourth line, and now they can claim he played like a fourth liner. That makes sense. The logical conclusion for Hynes turning his third-most-potent scoring threat into a fourth-liner was the one we saw.

    The Wild offense drying up the second Kaprizov and Boldy started running out of gas.

    Don't worry -- with the increasingly inevitable Rossi trade coming up, it appears that no lessons will be learned from any of this.

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    you comparing Rossi 60 minutes of output here.....?

    you and Matteo are really trying to help Billy and i like that. freddy - make sure to heart it! Billy is going to love showing off these "useful" stats to all the suitors. OTT hear us - Rossi is available for Tkachuk!

    but why stop there, we can also include Trenin (who i actually feel rocked this PO but for this purpose, let's do it) - as he has done better than Fiala and Boldy and Nino in that fancy stat model - giving him ~2.1 pts per hour in his time this PO! damn - not as good as wes walz - but not many people are....

    and not a biggie - 4 minute penalty to start the game was just what was needed during the most important game of the season. way to go!

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    Second leading scorer on the team this season. 4th line minutes. And we wonder why we can’t get out of the first round of playoffs. This whole management group has to go.

    i honestly can’t wait until next year for GM Billy to finally be rid of his excuse he created with the cap hit so people finally realize how terrible he is as a GM

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    Great article.  Well said.. not sure why Rossi has been in the doghouse basically since he started with the Wild.  It's obvious they plain just don't like him.  Such a double standard with the Wild.  If a veteran continues making mistakes or playing like crap he gets promoted and patted on the back.  If a young player does something wrong he gets benched or demoted.  How can you develop young players if you can't help them develop?  I'm really getting tired of Guerin.  With the cap hits coming off he better produce some great results and quit making excuses.  Hynes has proven he can't coach.  Especially in thr playoffs.

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    I cant wait till clean out day to hear the new excuses Billy and John have. Regular season this and that. Moral victories.future is bright. Felt different this year . Blah blah blah . Just ridiculous. . The future was on 4 th line or in press box so Billy can keep pounding that square peg in a round hole. To prove hes right about Fred. Fred is not a 1-2-3or a 4 th line center for a playoff team . He takes opportunities from others. He a waste of a roster spot . They don’t have a d with a shot from point. So they play 5 forwards and get exposed. They don’t have d men that can lean on you and gas you like Vegas did to kappy and Boldy..  they don’t have a coach smart enough to get his best player away from matchup the other team wants.  However they’ll come up with some feel good excuses of moral victories . Dallas is without there two best players . Over 14 mil on IR , youth leading the way and they get past Col . 0-8 1st round wins.for the wild Nothing to be proud of. 
        I’m done with the moral victories. I really hope kappy leaves. He’s the only reason to tune into wild. I like ek , bolds , Brodin and Faber but that’s about it. They aren’t worth watching or will they do anything with no kappy . Moose and harts had good series. Good role guys I guess but not worth the price of admission. I don’t want to see kappy waste his career here anymore  with this ridiculous management  team and a draft guy that can’t get anyone to the nhl that produces in playoffs. 
    kappy watch is on. Please go kappy ! 

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    Good playoff teams have an abundance of center depth.  The Wild don’t even with Rossi.  With trade proposals of sending Rossi plus other prospects to land a better, older and more expensive center, we don’t end up with more centers.  Yurov might be another center, but who knows if and when that might happen.  Plus, we are counting on the other top prospects (Yurov, Wally, Ohgren, Buium) to make the team next year.  Trading any of them out with Rossi just creates another lineup hole or holes to fill.  And we are already down some picks from GMBG’s moves this year.

    I think Hartman played very well in the playoffs, but Rossi should’ve been switched with Gaudreau.  Freddy is a great teammate, but he shouldn’t be playing above 4th minutes and maybe not at all on a contender.  Getting rid of Rossi all but guarantees that Gaudreau will be one of the main centers.  I think Hartman is better suited to be a backup/depth center on his line, but again with the Wild’s lack of centers, he has to be one of the main guys.

    The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season.

    No where did I say Rossi is more important than Kaprizov, that Rossi is the best ever or that he deserves 8.5M or more per year.  The Wild need MORE centers and more offense.  Rossi checks both boxes BEFORE playing his third season.

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    Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy. 

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    46 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

    Good playoff teams have an abundance of center depth.  The Wild don’t even with Rossi.  With trade proposals of sending Rossi plus other prospects to land a better, older and more expensive center, we don’t end up with more centers.  Yurov might be another center, but who knows if and when that might happen.  Plus, we are counting on the other top prospects (Yurov, Wally, Ohgren, Buium) to make the team next year.  Trading any of them out with Rossi just creates another lineup hole or holes to fill.  And we are already down some picks from GMBG’s moves this year.

    I think Hartman played very well in the playoffs, but Rossi should’ve been switched with Gaudreau.  Freddy is a great teammate, but he shouldn’t be playing above 4th minutes and maybe not at all on a contender.  Getting rid of Rossi all but guarantees that Gaudreau will be one of the main centers.  I think Hartman is better suited to be a backup/depth center on his line, but again with the Wild’s lack of centers, he has to be one of the main guys.

    The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season.

    No where did I say Rossi is more important than Kaprizov, that Rossi is the best ever or that he deserves 8.5M or more per year.  The Wild need MORE centers and more offense.  Rossi checks both boxes BEFORE playing his third season.

    I agree with you bud.  It amazes me how a portion of our fanbase has been complaining about needing centers.  Then we get one and they want him gone after two years.  Rossi is 23 and improved year over year.  The lack of patience that some have with our young prospects is crazy.  Heck, earlier this year there were a few that wanted Boldy gone.  

    No idea what will happen with Rossi.  As long as the contract is good, I hope he is here.  I guess we will get our answer in a couple of months.

     

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    4 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy. 

    I posted my thoughts that I think Rossi was injured in a previous thread.  If he was, then maybe that lets management off the hook for the playoffs, but not for everything else.

    I think GMBG will trade him, but I don’t think it will make the team better overall.  The main player coming back might be better, but the sum of the pieces the Wild will have to give up will weaken the team overall for playoff depth and TDL acquisitions.  Plus, the new center will inevitably be more expensive and older.

    My hope is that GMBG is waiting to sign Kaprizov before tying up any dollars with Rossi.  Unfortunately, I don’t that Billy is that savvy.

     

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    I  thought part of their rationale was that he is kinda small, so he can't produce come playoff time.  Well then, why did you just draft him a couple years ago if your master plan was bigger players.

    Either there is no master plan, or the master plan is dumb.

    "There is a difference between winging it, and seeing what happens.  Now let's see what happens."  - MacGruber

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    I really wish I knew what they see in Yurov that says, "He's going to be better than Rossi is now," to just cut bait.  3-4 inches?  A couple injury plagued seasons?  Maybe you save the money for Gus or Buium?  That'd make a little bit more sense.  Hedge bets on the backend.  The issue is it doesn't solve is drafting two centers just to look at them and go, "Yeah, nah."  Don't draft Rossi or Khusnutdinov then if their size or skill isn't your thing?  That'd solve everything before this becomes an issue.  Don't want to get in a situation where a Dylan Cozens drop is likely after a big contract...well again, get some other guy you absolutely believe in.  Not that hard.  It seems like Guerin and Brackett are reading two different books.

    I have heard NOTHING about getting trade offers for Tkachuk, Thompson, or any other pie in the sky fantasy GM scenario.  Russo floated the name Peterka, but I'm wondering if that's only his hope.  I don't know if he has concrete thoughts to that.  Winger depth is about as weak as center depth.  I wouldn't totally be against it.  Just seems like breaking one position to try and help another.

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    21 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Just seems like breaking one position to try and help another

    We are finally out of the Cap Buyout Penalties and the UFA market looks down this year. That leaves trading where the incoming/outgoing assets are usually pretty close. Don’t look now but Brodin is losing all trade protection beginning this summer. Would the Wild give up a piece on defense to go after a top six offensive C or right wing? If the Wild trade Rossi, lose MJ Ny Braz that’s 4 forward positions that need an upgrade if they want to be in the conversation next year. 

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    33 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

    I posted my thoughts that I think Rossi was injured in a previous thread.  If he was, then maybe that lets management off the hook for the playoffs, but not for everything else.

    I think GMBG will trade him, but I don’t think it will make the team better overall.  The main player coming back might be better, but the sum of the pieces the Wild will have to give up will weaken the team overall for playoff depth and TDL acquisitions.  Plus, the new center will inevitably be more expensive and older.

    My hope is that GMBG is waiting to sign Kaprizov before tying up any dollars with Rossi.  Unfortunately, I don’t that Billy is that savvy.

     

    BG made his joke-offer just before the play-off, then they dropped him to 4th with 10 minutes TOI, after a sophomore season with 60 p in 82 g, +/- 0 and 18'+ TOI and after he gave absolutely everything since entering a rink a decade ago. So the only logical explanation is: They want to get rid of him. They know his true market value as a young, pretty mature 2-way C with upside (something btw 7 and 8 M) but they just want another  big, better C and want to use Rossi (or the according picks or/ and money) as trade chip. Good luck MIN! For Rossi no problem. There is a huge, growing market for guys like him. He'll get a fair contract somewhere else on a team that appreciates his value. 

    Btw: BGs & some of the posters "grit first" philosophy is outgrown, doesn't reflect the development of the game which is about skill and speed plus depth. EVERY TEAM IS GRITTY IN CRUNCHTIME, PLAY-OFFS. Grit isn't a philosophy but just basic attitude. 

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