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  • The Time Is Now To Lock Up Marco Rossi


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    Tony Abbott

    In the summer of 2021, all eyes were on Kirill Kaprizov's contract situation. The Calder Trophy winner just completed his first (and only) year of his entry-level contract, putting up 27 goals and 51 points in 55 games. His reward was unprecedented for a player with such little NHL experience, a five-year, $45 million deal that drew the ire of some of the league's biggest-diapered stars.

    Was it the best contract that the Minnesota Wild signed that offseason? Perhaps. Kaprizov just hit the 40-goal mark for the third time in that deal's first three seasons. But the pact Minnesota made with Joel Eriksson Ek (eight years, $42 million) might be even more bang for their buck. A No. 1 center in the Ryan O'Reilly mold for a lower cap hit than, say, Andrew Copp? That's working out well for the Wild.

    That lesson might be instructive as Minnesota embarks on this offseason with both of their Calder Trophy-caliber rookies, Brock Faber and Marco Rossi, entering the final seasons of their ELCs and thus being eligible for extensions.

    Faber is almost assuredly going to break the bank, even with his NHL experience unable to exceed 83 games before this summer. Still, Jake Sanderson signed an eight-year extension worth $64.4 million in September, and Owen Power followed that up a month later with a seven-year, $58.45 million deal of his own. The two top young defensemen had 77 and 87 games under their belts at the time of their signings, respectively.

    Meanwhile, Faber's rookie season not only exceeds Sanderson and Power in point totals, but his production isn't just good-for-a-rookie. It's simply good. Ryan Suter, Matt Dumba, and Brent Burns are the only Wild defensemen with more points than Faber's 43. That's right, his 43 points are currently tied with captain Jared Spurgeon's career-high. Faber's cap hit will start with an "8," and that might be a hometown discount. All eyes will be on that contract situation this summer.

    It'll be a great day in Minnesota once the Wild ink Faber to a long-term extension. But the value play for the Wild is to try and do another Eriksson Ek-type home run contract with Rossi.

    Think about it: When did Minnesota extend Eriksson Ek? Right when he began to deliver on his promise as a first-round pick in 2015. He broke out with 19 goals and 30 points in a COVID-shortened 56-game season. Crucially, Eriksson Ek wasn't negotiating his contract coming off the 26-goal, 49-point season he had the following year or his 23-goal, 61-point campaign of 2022-23.

    That's the sweet spot, and Rossi is in that same zone. A bout with myocarditis and a slow NHL start (one point in his first 21 NHL games) cast doubt on his ability to make it at this level. Instead, Rossi put those doubts to bed with a 21-goal, 38-point rookie season. 

    How much better can he get, seeing as he only turns 23 in September? He's already second on the team with 18 5-on-5 goals, one behind Kaprizov and one ahead of Matt Boldy. His 32 5-on-5 points are third among Wild players, behind Kaprizov and Boldy and one ahead of Eriksson Ek. If he has consistent linemates next season and a more prominent role, can he hit 30 goals next year? How many more assists can he add?

    More importantly, why wait to find out before paying him? Minnesota always has the option to kick the can down the road with a shorter-term "bridge deal." The idea with that kind of contract is to squeeze out some cheaper years from a player while dangling the carrot of a bigger payday.

    The Wild did that to great effect with Kevin Fiala in 2019, garnering lots of value with a two-year, $6 million deal. Any GM would take 43 goals and 94 points in 114 games for a $3 million cap hit. But when it came time to pay Fiala, they felt they couldn't afford him. Since they got Faber in return for the ensuing trade, it's hard to say it didn't work out. Still, Minnesota's secondary scoring hasn't been the same since.

    Maybe the Wild felt that carrot was necessary to motivate Fiala (though he does have two straight 70-point seasons in LA), but that isn't the case for Rossi. It's hard to question the commitment of a kid who'll miss his sister's wedding to do skating drills. Or the drive of a 22-year-old who parks his 5-foot-9 frame in front of the net on a nightly basis. Minnesota can count on Rossi to maximize his potential.

    Still, they don't have to pay for that maximized potential if they get ahead of this contract situation the way they did with Eriksson Ek. Rossi doesn't have the clean contract comparables that Faber has in Sanderson and Power, but we can gauge the market by taking a quick look at young centers who've signed long-term extensions with their teams since the summer of 2022.

    Josh Norris signed an eight-year, $63.6 million ($7.95M cap hit) extension in July 2022. Norris was 23, coming off a 35-goal, 55-point season. Tim Stützle, the third overall pick in Rossi's 2020 Draft, inked an eight-year, $66.8 million ($8.35M cap hit) deal in September 2022. Stützle was 20, coming off a 22-goal, 58-point sophomore season. Dylan Cozens cashed in during his age-21 season, signing a seven-year, $49.7 million ($7.1M cap hit) contract as he was heading to 31 goals and 68 points.

    Rossi doesn't quite have those bonafides, which probably pushes his long-term number somewhere in the $6 million range. Perhaps something in the ballpark of the eight-year, $50 million ($6.5M cap hit) pact two-way center Anthony Cirelli signed in July 2022, right around his 25th birthday.

    That might seem like a lot for a player with one full NHL season under his belt. In most cases, though, the sticker shock fades away as the cap rises and the players perform. Rossi is scratching the surface of his potential. If he continues to deliver, that cap hit becomes a bargain quickly.

    Even at a seemingly unreasonable $7 million, Rossi would create a cap advantage for Minnesota. With five years remaining on Eriksson Ek's contract, Minnesota would have two top-six centers locked up for a total of $12.25 million for the next five seasons. Anything lower would only add to the bang for the buck of that one-two punch and the money Minnesota could allocate toward the wings or defense.

    The starting point with Rossi this summer is with a center who is competing for a Calder Trophy in a year where star rookies like Bedard, Faber, Luke Hughes, Logan Cooley, Adam Fantilli, and Leo Carlsson are making their debuts. It doesn't get any cheaper from here on out. Why wait?

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    I am a fan of a short term bridge deal for Rossi.  I absolutely want to keep him here but need to see another stair step next season to lock him up for 7yrs at $7M per.  If he regresses after we give him a 7 year deal that's like going back to cap purgatory all over again

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    Sounds reasonable. My question is more around the number and timing of all the hot prospects. What does Guerin plan to do related to the group and where they all fit? How you pay em all or not.

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    I'm pretty confident that Faber will perform at a high level. He's shown it with opportunity. I could see 8 X $8m and I'd be ok with that.

    Rossi, on the other hand I do not feel as confident in. He's had a great rookie year, much like Faber, but to me the eye test is a player who is lower than Faber.

    If he wants to sign a long term deal in the Ek range, that might be where I'd feel comfortable going long term. But if we're talking $7m+, I think I'd want a bridge deal first. 

    We kind of know what Rossi can do on his own. And we've seen him do well between Kaprizov and Zuccarello. Where I think he'll improve greatly are in assists when he's got viable linemates who can bury pucks. Paired on the top line, he has that and has shown well. Away from them, though, he's not as good. 

    However, the biggest concern I have is his strength/weight. Yes, he did everything last offseason. Really, he needs to follow that up with the same type of offseason. I might feel better about it after he does this and comes in even stockier. But, as we saw with Boldy, if he decides that golfing in the summer is a better use of his time and doesn't hit the weights, or if he just does conditioning stuff, then I'm not sold on a long term deal. 

    The logic is simple: Ek took 2-3 offseasons to get to his beastly size and then worked on his skill. But, when he signed his deal, he signed it being a beast. Rossi already has some really good skill, but he also has a tendency to get run over by bigger players. Sure, he pops back up and he also delivers some hits, but he's just not quite there yet. I want him focused and hungry. 

    I think we can go back and also ask the question: Is the team ready to commit 100% behind Rossi? A bridge deal is much easier to trade a guy with. Is Rossi part of this new core?

    I believe he is, but I am not at 100% barring injury yet. And, I wonder how Haight and Heidt will do, as well as Dino. Which of these are the best? A bridge deal buys us time to figure this out.....unless as a team you get incredible value from a long term deal. 

    I like to look at both trends and the here and now. With the here and now, Rossi is not worth $6m. I'd even struggle with the $4m mark. I think he could be challenged again to do the same thing again in another year. I think it may have been wise to do the same thing for Boldy, and then give him his money. In looking at the trend, if he grows at a good pace, a $6m long term deal could be a huge bargain. Even at $7m, the back 9 of that deal could be a steal. But, this is a could, not a will.

    So, my gut says lock up Faber long term, and bridge Rossi. I'm simply not comfortable throwing around large sums of money with guys who are that young. It makes them appear satisfied. We need to look no further than Hartman, Foligno, Freddy, and Johansson to see what satisfied gets you. Plus, Rossi's only going to be a .5 ppg player this season.

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    14 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I am a fan of a short term bridge deal for Rossi.  I absolutely want to keep him here but need to see another stair step next season to lock him up for 7yrs at $7M per.  If he regresses after we give him a 7 year deal that's like going back to cap purgatory all over again

    Think of the small sample size of Foligno's GREEF year(s) that got him paid long term.  Think about Fred's outlier season that got him paid long term.  Let's not repeat those mistakes again.

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    1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Where I think he'll improve greatly are in assists when he's got viable linemates who can bury pucks. Paired on the top line, he has that and has shown well. Away from them, though, he's not as good. 

    Great point.  He's spent much of his season with 3rd liners and nojo/fred.  And he's still producing offense.  This is a positive take on Rossi.  He should only get more valuable with productive linemates.

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    I’m glad the Wild have found a complimentary skill player who has proven he’s willing to put in the work to keep improving. I’m confident he’s going to get stronger over the next few years. If the Wild offer a bridge deal, say 3 years, that will offset a bit of short term risk. The thing is if Rossi continues to roll that risk is coming back with interest. Personally I’d lock him up now because I think he’s only going to improve. 

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    Is there any substance to the Rossi trade rumor? I know every player has a price but I think he's more valuable to us than he is to most teams (top-6 center). And we don't have a replacement for him.

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    Sign Faber to the 8x8.   Faber is here to stay.  I would hesitate to sign anyone else.  We are still short another stud D-man or 2.  That is easily my largest roster concern.  We have 14 roster spots opening up by 25-26.  The year we bust out of cap hell.  I doubt that is coincidence.  If the talent is not where it needs to be.. find it.  Be cautious about signing mid-level guys that stagnate.

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    Heck yeah it is time to lock him up.  Any talk of moving him is crazy.  Put the poor guy with at least one of Kaprisov or Boldy.   Name a guy with more skill that we have had at center in the last decade?  He is also too young to let go for some old fart Guerin will sign as a replacement.

    The mishandling/use of this guy is a crime, but how else will Freddie get his minutes?

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    1 hour ago, FredJohnson said:

    Is there any substance to the Rossi trade rumor? I know every player has a price but I think he's more valuable to us than he is to most teams (top-6 center). And we don't have a replacement for him.

    I doubt there's much to it at this time. Rossi was mentioned as a possible trade candidate last year, and that's likely just following him. The fact that people were calling the Wild to inquire on Rossi, but he's still around may suggest they want to keep him around.

    Rossi bought into what the Wild wanted from him, so I suspect the likelihood of a trade has subsided substantially.

    On the other hand, a team that's offering a pick + a prime player on a good contract, looking to get younger NHL talent, might call with an offer that is too good to pass up. GMs are supposed to listen, but that doesn't mean a move is imminent. If another team gets crazy in their pursuit, I'm sure they'd let him go, but I don't think the Wild are really shopping him at this point.

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    2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Great point.  He's spent much of his season with 3rd liners and nojo/fred.  And he's still producing offense.  This is a positive take on Rossi.  He should only get more valuable with productive linemates.

    Long term contracts are always a gamble, who knows if an injury will hit or what. But long term now is cheaper than long term if he takes another step or 2 which will limit other players getting paid if they pan out. The fact he did produce with a couple of sand bags I feel shows how driven he is, could easily have gotten frustrated and taken shifts off. I am a gambling man, I think if you can do 5 to 6 mil a year longer extension you do it. 

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    Just don't Flippin trade him. Christ, we have been waiting for a good center for years and now we might have 2? Trade him for a bag of donuts it's what mn teams do. I get the "he's tiny" argument, I wish he was 6'1" too. Hell he may even wish that lol but I'll take a shorter stoutly built dude that can puck pucks in the twine anyday

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    I would sign Rossi to no more than $6 million a year contract. I think he's gonna be a good long term player and I think having cost certainty in that range will be seen as a huge deal for the team in years to come. Honestly, probably anything around $6.5 million or less could be considered a very decent deal for the team.

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    Rossi seems like one of those driven guys that is just going to get a little better year after year.  He's got the right attitude... isn't a prima donna.  I'm thinking he is a guy many teams would value. 

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    What more could Rossi have done? Unless he supplanted Ek on the top line his point ceiling was going to be relatively low due to poor teammates.  I say sign him long term IF he gives a discount. Otherwise bridge deal.  The Wild have an abundance of young talent coming up and have to make sure there is ample money for KK97. I love Rossi and hope he takes a discount for term.

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    19 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    If the Wild offer a bridge deal, say 3 years, that will offset a bit of short term risk. The thing is if Rossi continues to roll that risk is coming back with interest. Personally I’d lock him up now because I think he’s only going to improve. 

    My bridge would be 2 years, and if he improves/proves that he can do it again and will strengthen, then you can go with the larger contract. He will be more mature at that time, and have a better track record. Yes, it may cost a little more, but it should still be a pretty good deal on the back 9 of the contract. 

    I also "think" and project that he will improve. However, you can't go on what you "think" with these large and long contracts, you need some evidence. Thinks and coulds are hit and miss. I'd also say that due to Rossi's current build, he may be more susceptible to injury. Faber has a larger frame and seems to slip hits better. I'd be less worried about injury with him (though 10 lbs. of strength would do him well). 

    Bottom line is that I just don't see the evidence available to give Rossi top money. Put another way, he's 1/2 in productive NHL years so far. I think we simply need to see more evidence.

    On the flip side, Faber is 2/2 in his NHL productiveness, while year 1 was very brief. Still, he passed and took over the Merrill/Goligoski spot and performed very well against a superior team. 

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    19 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Maybe split the difference and do something like 2-3 years for $5 million?  No guarantees, but you don't just want to give up on Rossi early.

    To me this is overpaying his production. He's a rookie. He couldn't make it in his 1st 2 ELC years. He has not earned $5m yet. 

    I'd refer you to Goose's contract. He got a significant raise and was a tick over Fleury's salary. Yet, he's struggled all year with consistency. Don't put the yoke of large money on the kid's shoulders just yet. Let him know he's still in the proving stages of his career. 

    Ok, he had a 40 point season. You think he'll do better surrounded by better players. I do too, but, he hasn't done it yet. Make him do it first before the pay.

    Also, pay usually lags production. You generally get paid for what you've done, not what you might do going forward. This was why I was wincing at Boldy's deal. Yes, he could be a real bargain on the back end, but, as he showed this past offseason, instead of working on hockey weaknesses, he played a ton of golf. Same can be said for Goose too. 

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    17 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    On the other hand, a team that's offering a pick + a prime player on a good contract, looking to get younger NHL talent, might call with an offer that is too good to pass up. GMs are supposed to listen, but that doesn't mean a move is imminent. If another team gets crazy in their pursuit, I'm sure they'd let him go, but I don't think the Wild are really shopping him at this point.

    What would be your example of a team offering a pick + prime player?

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    17 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

    I am a gambling man, I think if you can do 5 to 6 mil a year longer extension you do it. 

    I am not a gambling man, but at $5-6m on a long term deal, that's really too good to pass up. I could see signing him to a notch below Ek, and I'd have to do it!

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    45 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    What would be your example of a team offering a pick + prime player?

    I don't think this is going to happen, but say a team like Columbus says to themselves that they don't think they are going to win in the near future, perhaps they want to get younger and trade Boone Jenner with a 2nd round pick for Rossi?

    Jenner has size, can win faceoffs, scores at a 30 goal pace per 80 games the last 3 years, and is on a contract at $3.75M per year through 25-26. He's playing both PP and PK, getting 20 minutes per night. Seems like someone Guerin might like.

    Boone Jenner is 30, about to turn 31, so slightly older than ideal, and he's the captain for Columbus as well. Purely just an example as I don't think anything like this is going to happen. I believe the Wild will keep Rossi.

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    21 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I am a fan of a short term bridge deal for Rossi.  I absolutely want to keep him here but need to see another stair step next season to lock him up for 7yrs at $7M per.  If he regresses after we give him a 7 year deal that's like going back to cap purgatory all over again

    Buying out a player <26 is only a 1/3 cap hit compared to the 2/3 cap hit once they're 26. Buying-out a $7M contract is a bargain of $2.3M/year (assuming you dont front load it).

    But that's the gamble if you bridge him, if he gets better he's going to be unaffordable long term if he gets better.  If he poops the bed, you look better but will have to answer why you didnt trade him when his value was the highest and he had 'potential'

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    Rossi should get 5 years at $5mm per, no more.  I mean I like the kid too, but I'm not fully convinced on him yet either.  He reminds me of Granlund, who if you look at his salary over the years is $5mm.  

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