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  • The Minnesota Wild Have A Kiefer Sherwood At Home


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    Tony Abbott

    By the time you read this, Giannis Antetokounmpo might be on the move in the NBA. Crazier things have happened in the NBA, just in this calendar year alone. The Dallas Mavericks swapped Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis, for crying out loud! The Houston Rockets landed Kevin Durant in a seven-team trade. It's the NBA. Anything is possible.

    Ever since this summer, Bill Guerin has been hoping for this kind of franchise-changing opportunity to arise for the Minnesota Wild. But when Guerin asks the NHL if he could trade for a Giannis, the NHL GMs are quick to tell him that they've got a Like-New Giannis-quality player on their team.

    Then that Giannis-type guy is someone like... Kiefer Sherwood. According to The Athletic's Michael Russo, the Wild were in on him when the price was "a good, young prospect," but apparently balked when the Vancouver Canucks raised their ask to "a good roster player" and/or a first-round pick.

    It's a bit too easy to dismiss Sherwood, now one of the hotter commodities on the NHL trade market, as a complete non-entity. He didn't secure a regular NHL role until age-28, and his 12 goals this season are fueled by a shooting percentage of nearly 20%. He's putting up OK numbers with the Canucks (12 goals, 16 points in 29 games), but that sort of thing happens when you give someone 17 minutes a night. Even for a last-place team like Vancouver, someone's gotta score some points.

    Sherwood's got some of the red flags you'd associate with being fool's gold in the NHL, but to call him that is not entirely accurate. Sherwood isn't likely to score 30 goals (the pace he's on, even after a recent slump), but he sneakily drives offense in the middle-six and loves to mix it up physically. Sherwood is second in the NHL with 124 hits this season.

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    Trading for Sherwood seems like a nice little bit of business, except that the Wild is a team basically built out of Kiefer Sherwoods. Obviously, they have star power in Kirill Kaprizov and Matt Boldy, but when you get past their top-six (when healthy), it's hard to find players who aren't some version of Sherwood already.

    What's the difference between Ryan Hartman and Sherwood, for example? How about Marcus Foligno? Or Yakov Trenin, who is the only player in the league with more hits than Sherwood?

    Sure, Guerin has to work with the trade market in front of him, and that's an NHL landscape, not an NBA one. The Wild could trade for Sherwood (who makes $1.5 million against the cap as a rental) without restricting other avenues of improving too much, and doing so is probably an upgrade over someone like Tyler Pitlick. Heck, Sherwood would likely be an improvement over the much bigger-name Vladimir Tarasenko.

    At the same time, it's very Weird (and Wild) that Guerin is looking to trade for the exact kind of player they always go out and get. Someone physical who can play in your bottom six and/or maybe move up if someone gets hurt?! That doesn't sound anything like Justin Brazeau, Jakub Lauko, Pat Maroon, Ryan Reaves, Nic Deslauriers, or Nick Bonino

    Look at all the resources Minnesota has already put into building a bottom-six that tries to balance physicality with some offensive production. $4 million for Hartman and Foligno. $3.5 million for Trenin. That's $11.5 million they spent on three Kiefer Sherwoods rather than, say, Nikolaj Ehlers, and $3 million to try to find the next Sherwood.

    Now, look what they've gotten for it. Those three have a combined six goals in 77 games this season, have collectively been out-scored 15 to 22 when on the ice at 5-on-5, and have given the Wild minus-0.4 Standings Points Above Replacement, per Evolving-Hockey. That's despite Trenin putting up 1.1 SPAR.

    Is Sherwood going to help some team? Probably. But the Wild should be one of the teams that need Sherwood the least. They've paid three players more than double Sherwood's salary to be that kind of player. If they're still in need of Sherwood, something's gone wrong -- which the numbers for Foligno and Hartman would seem to indicate. If that's the case, the person who made those extensions, despite them likely aging poorly, is looking to double down on more physical middle-to-bottom-six players in their 30s. 

    The Wild have had the same problem for 25 years now: They don't have enough skill to win anything but a low-scoring slugfest. It's hard to say what the solution is, but Guerin has spent years trying to throw more grit at this problem, and trading for Sherwood would simply be more of the same. 

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    Nice Article Tony!

    I agree completely.  We don't need another bottom 6er.  In fact, we could purge a bit in the bottom to free up some cash, get another young guy on an ELC.  Then look for that top 6er that requires more cash.

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    I wouldn't mind him in the bottom sick just for his physical play alone. Let the Wild be a super tough team if we make it to the playoffs. Having the currently top 2 in hits in the NHL would be something pretty cool to see.

    Also, nobody is really going to cry if he replaces somebody like Pitlick or Tarasenko.

    That said, the Canucks are high as fuck if they think their gonna get an NHL player and first round pick. I would trade them a 1:1 bottom 6 role player and a second rounder or a middling prospect like Jiricek, Lambos, Stramel, Benak, etc.

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    3 hours ago, TCMooch said:

    I wouldn't mind him in the bottom sick just for his physical play alone. Let the Wild be a super tough team if we make it to the playoffs. Having the currently top 2 in hits in the NHL would be something pretty cool to see.

    Also, nobody is really going to cry if he replaces somebody like Pitlick or Tarasenko.

    That said, the Canucks are high as fuck if they think their gonna get an NHL player and first round pick. I would trade them a 1:1 bottom 6 role player and a second rounder or a middling prospect like Jiricek, Lambos, Stramel, Benak, etc.

    Exactly my thoughts. 

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    It boggles my mind that we can watch the return of Zuccarello change the look of the team and conclude that we need more sandpaper. 

    Hopefully Rossi gets healthy and provides a similar boost that Zucc did. 

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    I sure like the progress our young guys are making.  Zeev and Yurov are getting better by the game.  Wallstedt has been spectacular.  Even Ohgren is starting to find some game and can be trusted a lot more.  

    Let's not forget that Hunt and Faber are both only 23.  Boldy is only 24,  Ben Jones(26), Rossi(24).  Pretty good youth on the team.  9 guys at or under the age of 26.  The future is bright.

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    Fine article, Tony, and spot on. I am hoping the Seattle game was a learning experience and a sign of things to come for the Wild coaching staff. 11 and 7 last night should be the norm for this team with the personnel they have. 

    Why dress a Pitlick or Jones to skate 6 or 7 minutes when you can put a Hunt or Jiricek on the ice to keep the D-corp fresher. Jones and Pitlick-types are going nowhere in the league and Hunt and Jiricek could be part of the future. Heck, I would even consider a 10 and 8 lineup. You have to believe that a Faber, Middleton, Spurgeon, Buium or Jiricek could be effective 4th line forwards for a few shifts a game. They would probably salivate at the opportunity.

    Think about Sturm centering Faber and Buium with Spurgeon and Middleton on the blue line. Defensively, overwhelmingly responsible and more likely to drive offense than Jones and Pitlick on the wings. Put a line like that against the opposing team's top line a few shifts per game and shut them down. Leaves more opportunities for the Ek line to be more offensively productive rather than focusing on defending the opposing top lines night after night. 

    The Wild have more bottom 4 defensive talent than they do bottom 3 or bottom 6 offensive talent. Play to your strengths and be creative rather than letting talent be wasted in Iowa and lack of talent skating in St. Paul and other NHL arenas. 

    Final thought, I have been proven completely wrong about my previous stance on Johansson and Trenin so far this season. Anyone who wants to say 'I told you so', or something more colorful, is justified in doing so. 

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    1 hour ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

    Final thought, I have been proven completely wrong about my previous stance on Johansson and Trenin so far this season. Anyone who wants to say 'I told you so', or something more colorful, is justified in doing so.

    I've been vocal about Johansson in the past, but quiet since November's winning began, helped out by his scoring. I was on record saying that it was fine bringing him back, but I didn't really want him playing top 6.

    If Johansson is scoring above a 50 point pace on his $800k contract, I'm not going to complain about him in the top 6. I am going to wonder why he couldn't do that the prior 2 seasons(30 & 34 points despite significant opportunity for more), but I'll take what the Wild can get in this Olympic year.

    Trenin has lower skill than I thought the Wild were getting when they signed him(based upon three years with 12+ goals preceding the signing), but he at least is bringing the physicality and is tough to play against.

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    2 hours ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

    Why dress a Pitlick or Jones to skate 6 or 7 minutes when you can put a Hunt or Jiricek on the ice to keep the D-corp fresher. Jones and Pitlick-types are going nowhere in the league and Hunt and Jiricek could be part of the future. Heck, I would even consider a 10 and 8 lineup. You have to believe that a Faber, Middleton, Spurgeon, Buium or Jiricek could be effective 4th line forwards for a few shifts a game. They would probably salivate at the opportunity.

    Why not come up with something new, like playing a 2-3 instead of a 3-2. Change a whole bunch of angles and gaps with that! It would be different, but it could be done. We've got some young, smooth skating defenders who can eat minutes and jump into the offensive zone play, filling in skill with about the same thing as 4th line forward from the A. 

    But, that would require a creative coach doing something completely different. Can we trust Hynes with that responsibility? He doesn't look like the type of coach who likes to reinvent the wheel. If it hasn't been done before, in his mind, it probably doesn't exist. 

    This type of thing would likely drive some opponents nuts trying to figure it out. 

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    31 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    If Johansson is scoring above a 50 point pace on his $800k contract, I'm not going to complain about him in the top 6. I am going to wonder why he couldn't do that the prior 2 seasons(30 & 34 points despite significant opportunity for more), but I'll take what the Wild can get in this Olympic year.

    I think this is the contract effect on Johansson. The other contracts were just too heavy on his shoulders. This one is light and let's him play freer. Worst case scenario he's on the 4th line at that rate.

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    Tony's article is spot on. We do have plenty of Sherwood type players. What we would need from that team is a Pettersson, the one who plays center. It's a very easy concept, just keep checking back on the same player, try to grab top end talent and skill. Our grit is fine. 

    Hartman is no longer a Sherwood type, though. Every since he hurt his right shoulder a few years back he hasn't been able to mix it up. He's a rat, don't get me wrong, but he just can't chuck the right hand anymore. 

    So, because of that, he has to be very disciplined because he's going to instigate and then get lit. He needs to swallow and let the other guy take that penalty.

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    I agree somewhat.

    He’s a much better player than the retreads  and AAAA (to steal a baseball term) guys we’ve ran out in the middle 6 for years now.  I think he would help stabilize things a bit.

    But, that’s not what’s going to get them over the hump in the playoffs.  They need a distributor. That helps either Boldy or Kaprizov realize their elite scoring potential.

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    I would rather pursue a guy like Nick Shmaltz from Utah  , i would offer up Ogren ,  A D prospect , possibly rights to Stramel ,  and Tarasenko .but hes in the final year of his contract so theres that  but i dont really see any other possibilities  that arent major team disrupters , also he would be closer to home Madison WI .  

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    The Wild have basically an entire lineup of this type of player.  Someone who does a few things good, most things ok and scores about half a point a game.  Ek, Foglino, Trenin, Hartman etc.  

    The thing is that the entire farm system is filled with these types of players as well.  This is where everyone who hates BG jumps in and says it's his fault.  Or everyone who hates Brackett shows up and says he can't draft.  I would say that when they Wild draft in the top 15 they hit on their draft picks.  So it isn't the GM or scouting it's the fact the team wants to be a playoff team every year.  That isn't the NHL model.  You tank for a few years and then when you get a good core you go on a run.  The Wild have never tanked and you could say that when the did draft in the top 5 they had a generational talent on the team.  The reason it didn't work for them was because the coach and the star player couldn't have been further apart.  

    The fact that the Wild has 97 and Wallstedt on the roster makes the team very interesting to watch.  But it's only going to get them into the playoff and not advance very far.

    The state of the fanbase is so bad that all they want is for them to make it out of the first round.  Wrap you head around that, everyone wants them to be one of the last eight teams in the playoffs.  The fanbase should demand that they at least play in the cup finals.  25 years and they are one of 7 teams that hasn't played in the cup finals.  Two of those teams have become expansion teams in the last five years.  

    This team needs to lose a lot of games in order to win.  This 500 plus 10 point cycle that they have been on over the last 15 years is not going to get the job done. 

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