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  • The Minnesota Wild Have A Kid Conundrum


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    Tony Abbott

    The Minnesota Wild were always going to be walking on a high wire this season. They're a playoff-caliber team laden with veterans who've been in the fold for a half-decade or more. It's also the case that they're working on bringing along four rookies into the NHL (as well as not-a-rookie-but-21-year-old David Jiříček) into that playoff lineup. Those two things are rarely true at the same time for a team.

    Coach John Hynes has been candid about this challenge early on this season. "If they're ready to play, they'll play," he told The Athletic on Monday. "But we also can’t just put nine kids in the lineup and think that all of a sudden, they’re going to be ready to go. We’re not in a rebuilding situation. We’re in a situation where we want to be a competitive hockey team."

    Hynes is in a position where his job depends on wins and losses, and it's important to be sensitive to that. The Wild's first four games included three playoff teams from last season, and the Columbus Blue Jackets are no pushover with Dean Evason coaching. They'll have another date with a Division winner on Friday, on the road against the Washington Capitals. It's not a soft schedule where rookies can slip in easily.

    That's why we've seen the Wild lean on players like Vladimir Tarasenko (averaging 16:21 minutes per night) and Marcus Johansson (14:03) over Liam Öhgren (9:12) and Danila Yurov (9:05). You're stacking up 1,822 combined NHL games against 34. There's stability in that, and it's clear that Hynes puts value on that experience.

    "Veteran players, they’ve been around, they know how to play, they know what the game is about," explained Hynes. "The NHL is a different beast. It’s not college. It’s not junior. No matter how good you were at other levels, you’re playing against the best guys in the world."

    It's the age-old NHL coaching conundrum: Ceiling vs. Floor. Maybe you're not impressed with Tarasenko's start, or think that Johansson's contributions don't live up to his role. But they provide a floor. Coaches want to know what they're getting, even if there is theoretically a 22-year-old who could give them more.

    Say what you want about someone like Nate Prosser, but there's a reason why he played 360 NHL games, and why would-be upstarts like Jonathon Blum, Ryan Murphy, Gustav Olofsson, and Louie Belpedio combined for just 364.

    Still, while the Wild aren't rebuilding, they are definitely building. Or at least, they should be. 

    Minnesota has been the ultimate Floor Team for its entire existence, and recent years have been no exception. Even in a relatively disastrous 2023-24 season, the Wild finished with a 39-34-9 record. Despite crushing cap penalties, they rarely have serious issues making the playoffs, and the core of the team has been remarkably intact over the past half-decade.

    However, they haven't had a ceiling. Or, rather, that ceiling was built between the first and second rounds of the playoffs. That's what needs to change, and that's why building is required.

    It's only been four games, but we've already seen the limitations of Minnesota being a Floor Team. A Floor Team can hold onto a 3-0 lead against the Los Angeles Kings. But when it comes to overcoming their starting goalie giving up six goals? Or knocking off a loaded Dallas Stars team on the road on the second of a back-to-back? Those are jobs for a Ceiling Team, and the Wild aren't putting themselves in much of a position to be that. Not yet.

    Again, Öhgren and Yurov are averaging just nine minutes a night, firmly behind Johansson and Tarasenko on the depth chart, even as Hynes blew up his lines on Tuesday night in Dallas. Buium has averaged 20 minutes a night, thanks to the power play. However, Jiříček has sat in the press box for three straight games since Opening Night.

    You can put some blame on those players, and it'd be warranted. Hynes spent training camp and preseason putting Öhgren and Yurov in prime lineup spots, and neither was particularly impressive. It's also true that they aren't demanding more playing time in limited minutes during the regular season. They healthy-scratched Jiříček due to mistakes he made against the St. Louis Blues, and he's spent the past few games receiving instruction from player development coach Alex Goligoski, who played 1,078 NHL games.

    As a rule, unimpressive veterans will get the benefit of the doubt over unimpressive rookies. But, as Anton Chigurh posed in No Country For Old Men, if the rule leads you to this, of what use was the rule?

    It's now been 192 minutes -- or 1.57 viewings of No Country For Old Men -- of game time since the Wild have scored a 5-on-5 goal. That's over three games, during which Öhgren and Yurov's roles have been minimal, and Jiříček's has been nonexistent.

    Perhaps this will feel a bit like singling out Johansson and Tarasenko, but it's essential to note that their veteran presence hasn't made them blameless participants in this ineptitude.

    Johansson had an opportunity to score a go-ahead goal at 5-on-5 against Columbus, but whiffed on a shot in the slot, which immediately went the other way to put the Wild down 3-2. It instantly snuffed out a would-be furious comeback, and Minnesota never recovered.

    On Monday, Johansson put the Los Angeles Kings on the power play two minutes after getting on the board to make the game 3-1. The Kings converted on their way to earning a standings point unnecessarily from the Wild.

    Meanwhile, Tarasenko's four power-play assists are papering over some horrid 5-on-5 play. The former 40-goal winger has spent 85.3% of his 5-on-5 minutes playing with Joel Eriksson Ek, one of the game's elite two-way centers. Despite this, Tarasenko has a paltry 28.1% expected goal share at 5-on-5, which is far from the realm of "good enough." Even in a small sample size.

    This is all to say: You don't need to be a rookie to lose a team games.

    Acknowledging that Öhgren and Yurov haven't done much on the fourth line shouldn't preclude wanting to see them get more opportunities. It's difficult to play your way off the fourth line, especially as a rookie. Your shifts are rare, and they're often short. Puck touches don't come as easily; getting into a rhythm is a massive challenge. 

    So when Öhgren showed signs of life against Los Angeles (two shots), why not elevate him to the second power play? Or perhaps give him a test run against Dallas while down 3-0? While Yurov has just two NHL games, he does have 270 games of KHL experience and is responsible in his own end. Why not see what he can do in an offensive role? Remember: Yurov scuffled offensively until getting a regular role for Metallurg Magnitogorsk. Why would Minnesota expect him to flourish with limited minutes?

    With Jiříček, it's trickier because Zach Bogosian has had a solid start to his season, and the Wild's blueline is healthy. Still, when benching a rookie for making mistakes, it's important to let them respond. It probably was a good thing to let Jiříček take a breather for a game, maybe even two. But last night, when the Wild were on the road and short on fresh legs, why couldn't they find a spot for Jiříček to apply the lessons he's learning? Even if he goes down to the AHL to get big minutes, does Minnesota want to give him the impression that he's Iowa-bound every time he makes a mistake?

    It's understandable to want to slow-play these youngsters, but they will need to ramp things up for them and get them ready for the playoffs. Without some of these players in decent roles, the Wild really are just last year's model, plus Buium. They need to be more than that, and if this 5-on-5 offense keeps up, they might need to make that jump sooner than they'd thought.

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    Even though his stat-line is looking eerily like Calen-Fucking-Addison, Buium is the only rookie who has seemingly played himself into a spot.

    That said, there's been a lot of sloppy passing and failed zone exits/entries this season from the veterans that it's hard to pin it all on the kids.

    Maybe you can pin some of the questionable play of the veterans like Faber for not having stability around them and trying to cover up sins of the kids.  There's got to be some advanced stat that shows the impact of making the Faber/Foligno's have to clean up the mess the kids left around rather than playing a disciplined/deterministic game.

    But I dont know man...it's 4 games into the season being unable to steal one on the road from a Dallas team with a goalie we've been unable to solve doesn't seem like we should be in full panic mode.

    Sadly, on the road against the Caps, Flyers, Rags, Devils is going to be a tough stretch we'll need to see how this team responds...

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Hynes isn't running a charity.  He gave 4 different people chances at 2W (and gave them first crack).  Hate Johansson irrationally all you want, but one player getting a couple games higher in the lineup isn't the reason the team is 2-2.  

    Maybe they run Boldy or Hartman next.  Hynes isn't out to get Yurov, Ohgren, or Jiricek.  They'd be playing if they didn't have issues or were providing too much upside like Buium.  Koivu, Rossi, and Ek all started as 4Cs at some point.

    Some people just want scapegoats...

    Zuccarello would obviously be on 2nd line if he were healthy. I believe the main reason Hartman isn't up there is they want him at C due to the Sturm injury. I might try JEE up with Kaprizov and Tarasenko, and run Boldy, Rossi, Yurov on line 2. They could double-shift Kaprizov and sit Yurov out of that line a couple times per game.

    I like Foligno, Hartman, Trenin.

    The minutes I see show Yurov delivering more fight than Johansson and Johansson is not a setup guy that's helping guys score more than someone like Trenin or Brazeau. He's fast, but he's not crafty and he plays a soft game.

    We all understand that Yurov and Ohgren are not leaps and bounds better than Johansson right now, it's that they have an opportunity to grow their games with greater minutes and Johansson is a diminishing product.

    I understand why Hynes is doing it, I just think it's a poor decision if the goal is improving the team and winning in the playoffs. I get that his comfort level with the veteran is greater than it is with rookies, but if the rookies get comfortable with greater minutes, their positive impact could increase rapidly and I imagine it will happen, it just isn't happening to start the season.

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    17 hours ago, NoJoSux said:

    Opened the game last night with a NoJoism.

    I'm with you on Nojo.  I criticize him often on this site.  I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by constantly getting on him.  The first game of the year against the Blues he played a really good game.  But I also noticed that the Blues were physical with him.  Near the end of that game he was becoming less aggressive.  By the 3rd game of the year he was back to his old ways of putting on a skating drill.  His give-aways and lack of aggressive play causes us to get penned up in our D-zone for extended periods.  It's demoralizing to teammates and makes it difficult on the next line as well because they have to flip the ice.   It is unacceptable from a veteran that is capable of playing better.

    I often hear that GMs and Coaches focus on consistent effort as much as skill.  Yet that isn't the case with Nojo.  I don't get it.  What message are you sending to the other players when you let him get away with this behavior.  The only place he belongs is the 13th man sitting in the press box.  Break glass for emergency use only. 

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    16 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Jiricek is more a victim of circumstance.  Unless they want to either shunt Brodin's minutes to cover Jiricek (no way in hell), Middleton/Jiricek (eh....), or Buium/Jiricek (God help us), he's the odd man out until Bogo is traded or there's an injury.

    Let's not sugarcoat it, Buium brings something so undeniable they put up with his shit.  The others don't have that.

    Well said.  

    Buium definitely has an X factor.  He belongs on the top 2 lines.  He is improving at a rapid pace.

    IMHO:  We need to alter the way we think about our D.  The top two lines needs to be:  Brodin/Buium and Faber/Spurge.   Buium and Spurge are the more aggressive players and would pair up nicely with the more "Stay-at-home" Brodin and Faber styles.  You put your best foot forward on the top 2 pairings.. and that is those 4 D-men.

    The problem is that leaves Bogo and Mids.  That pairing struggled last time.  Jiricek needs to be in the lineup. He may be making mistakes but he adds more than he subtracts.   Give him 20 games and he will make fewer mistakes.  We are a faster team and a more aggressive team with him in.  That isn't a kick on Mids are Bogo.  It's just my feeling that they should be victim of circumstance... not Jiricek.

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    It's understandable to want to slow-play these youngsters, but they will need to ramp things up for them and get them ready for the playoffs. Without some of these players in decent roles, the Wild really are just last year's model, plus Buium. They need to be more than that, and if this 5-on-5 offense keeps up, they might need to make that jump sooner than they'd thought.

    I like Tony's conclusion here. I understand Hynes' situation. As a coach, you want to know what you're going to get. You don't like surprises, good or bad. Hynes seems to be just like that. However, he's shooting himself in the foot. He's got to give these guys decent minutes and coach them through their mistakes.

    For instance, it appears that Jiricek is benched because he made serious mistakes against the Blues. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Wild win that game 5-0? It was mostly due to Guus having a good day and Binnington having a bad one, but you just paid Guus #1 money, he's supposed to bail you out now. 

    Hynes has got to change his philosophy and get outside his comfort zone. This will require extra minutes for the young guys. Why? Because with this schedule, he will burn out the vets. He takes a very short term look as next game up. He needs more of a long term approach of this is a marathon. 

    For me, results this season will not be the determination of Hynes' job. How he is able to develop the kids will be the determination. Each one of these guys needs to take steps forward. If we have a season of a glitch, I don't care. Still add at the TDL. Have a season where you get a good draft pick and keep building. Chicago, Tampa, Florida, LA all had glitches on their way to championships. 

    Note to Hynes- You're job is to build a championship roster. The floor doesn't do that, it's the ceiling you have to shoot for. You're going to have to get your gambler side going where you don't worry about getting fired, you worry more about winning the war. Play the kids, be vocal with them during the games, and use each intermission as a coaching session. Those are not usual ways, but you now have to change your usual. If not, their are coaches out there who will.

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    18 hours ago, Kato AK said:

    NoJo, Hartman, yurov

    Here I would prefer Foligno-Yurov-Hartman. Let Hartman take draws but shift to wing. Maybe this could happen when Sturm comes back?

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    15 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Yes we need to figure out if he’s stubborn or stupid.  Stubborn can be coached out of him.  Stupid is as stupid does.

    I get this. But this is a process. I've had to coach people out of bad habits before. 

    1) you have to get them to quit the bad habit.

    2) you have to teach them new habits.

    3) they have to pick up the new habits, but this is filled with speed bumps.

    4) they eventually learn the new habit and it becomes instinct to them.

    On the pinching in, my suspicion is that in all other levels this has worked for Jiricek, and nobody has said anything to him about it. It's instinctive right now. It's got to be broken, and the only way to break it is to play through it, not eat nachos. It starts with him occasionally backing off. That gets praised immediately after the shift. Then when he makes the mistake ask him what he saw, and correct it. 

    Also, mandatory practices are needed for the young guys. Work with them on these concepts. It's more time for the coaches but they need to put that in. Just out of curiosity, during the Kings game, did the kids get more ice time in the 3rd period? Based upon NJS's report, it sounds like Johansson was more responsible for the cave in than the rookies.

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    15 hours ago, Patrick said:

    Also, on what planet do you elevate Foligno and NoJo over Hartman? Seriously WTF is he thinking? 

    Let's say that Hynes does elevate Hartman, then who centers the 3rd line? With Sturm out, Hartman has to play center. Haight is already in Iowa, and I'd rather not have to play Jones. Bankier would have been the better callup, since he plays center too.

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    3 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Hynes isn't running a charity.  He gave 4 different people chances at 2W (and gave them first crack).  Hate Johansson irrationally all you want, but one player getting a couple games higher in the lineup isn't the reason the team is 2-2.  

    Maybe they run Boldy or Hartman next.  Hynes isn't out to get Yurov, Ohgren, or Jiricek.  They'd be playing if they didn't have issues or were providing too much upside like Buium.  Koivu, Rossi, and Ek all started as 4Cs at some point.

    It's not charity we're looking for, it's a chance. Why is it that 4 different players were given a chance on L2, but none of them were young players? Hynes has got to change his thinking, comfort zone, and approach. 

    I realize we're only 4 games in, and not everyone has gotten the 2nd line chance. Perhaps OgZ is next. One thing seems certain, Yurov has won the 4th line C job as Haight was sent down. Now he's got to climb the ladder.

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    20 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Bankier would have been the better callup, since he plays center too.

    I like Bankiers game but he isn't ready.  Haight outplayed by quite a bit.

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    1 hour ago, MNCountryLife said:

    The problem is that leaves Bogo and Mids.  That pairing struggled last time.  Jiricek needs to be in the lineup. He may be making mistakes but he adds more than he subtracts.   Give him 20 games and he will make fewer mistakes.  We are a faster team and a more aggressive team with him in.  That isn't a kick on Mids are Bogo.  It's just my feeling that they should be victim of circumstance... not Jiricek.

    I honestly think it would be better to burn the ships and move ahead. What does this mean? It means that Bogosian is the 7th D, and if he doesn't like that, find him a place where he can be the 3rd pairing. You simply have to play Jiricek at this point and if he completely flops, stick in Hunt. 

    Jiricek did not have a great night with Bogosian on the other side against the Blues, but they still won 5-0. Pairing him with Brodin should help that out. Hynes also has to look at the type of defense that Jiricek plays, and that is to cancel out a forward. Nobody else plays that way, but this is something that Brodin can work with. 

    I like Bogosian's approach to the 3rd pairing, especially on the right side. This has nothing to do with his performance and everything to do with his age. Truly, it's time for that talk where he is 4th pairing right side. He's owed the conversation and the ability to say whether or not he wants it. I have no problem trading him out for a place he can still play. Guerin is very good at finding places for vets.

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    8 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    I like Bankiers game but he isn't ready.  Haight outplayed by quite a bit.

    Probably true. Bankier was playing a higher line when I saw them in Charlotte last year. But, the real question here is Ben Jones a better option?

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    2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I like Bogosian's approach to the 3rd pairing, especially on the right side. This has nothing to do with his performance and everything to do with his age. Truly, it's time for that talk where he is 4th pairing right side. He's owed the conversation and the ability to say whether or not he wants it. I have no problem trading him out for a place he can still play. Guerin is very good at finding places for vets.

    A nice respectable way to handle it.  Agreed.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I honestly think it would be better to burn the ships and move ahead. What does this mean? It means that Bogosian is the 7th D, and if he doesn't like that, find him a place where he can be the 3rd pairing. You simply have to play Jiricek at this point and if he completely flops, stick in Hunt. 

    Jiricek did not have a great night with Bogosian on the other side against the Blues, but they still won 5-0. Pairing him with Brodin should help that out. Hynes also has to look at the type of defense that Jiricek plays, and that is to cancel out a forward. Nobody else plays that way, but this is something that Brodin can work with. 

    I like Bogosian's approach to the 3rd pairing, especially on the right side. This has nothing to do with his performance and everything to do with his age. Truly, it's time for that talk where he is 4th pairing right side. He's owed the conversation and the ability to say whether or not he wants it. I have no problem trading him out for a place he can still play. Guerin is very good at finding places for vets.

    I would hope Jiricek at least gets to play Saturday against PHI

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Guerin is very good at finding places for vets.

    I don't have any inside baseball, but I've gotta think Bogo wants to be in MN.  The google tells me he purchased a house on Lake Minnetonka for $2.8M in 2017 and an athletic article suggests he started coming up here since 2008 for offseason training.

    He purchased another house in Edina (appears to be about 4 blocks from FreddyG and 5 blocks from MoJo) to 'shorten his commute.'

    His brother, Aaron, was hired into the Wild staff by SillyG and had a nice writeup this summer by Russo.

    It's my opinion that Bogo wants to be in MN, and wouldn't entertain finding a new pasture to finish up his career in.

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    19 hours ago, greg said:

    Juricek trade is looking worse and worse by the day.  Giving up all those draft pics for a guy you won't even play makes that trade as when the Vikings traded all those draft picks years ago to get Hershel Walker.  That worked out well didn't it? 

    It’s nothing like the HW trade. Nothing like it at all. Columbus got a good goalie with our first round pick. The prospect we traded to them, we got back on waivers. Hunt was most likely only going to be a 3rd pairing dmen on most teams anyways and he’s now in Iowa. They have more picks from us in future drafts but those rarely work out. Jiricek just needs more time and refinement. Defenders usually take longer to develop.

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    19 hours ago, Dango said:

    Maybe its time to re visit the Tuch trade idea , throw in a Bogosian , couple picks ,  Vlad  etc ,  give Tuch a little raise  ,might be better than any center we can get .

    They aren’t taking players we got from the scrap heat and a very old 3rd pair dmen for Tuch. It ain’t happening 

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    4 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Jiricek needs to be in the lineup.

    I can't stand doing things because that's how everyone else does things or how things have always been done in the past. The Wild should be going with eleven forwards and seven defensemen with Jiricek in and Johansson out. Plug and play the kids and get them more minutes. Growth comes with growing pains... suffer a little more now and be rewarded down the road. 

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    6 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Also, Mojo has the same or more points early on as Nelson, EP40, and Boeser, while only one point less than Thompson, Tuch, and Peterka.  Which one of those is making $800k?

    One player isn't killing the team.

     

    I don’t completely disagree with your assessment of nojo and why the coach is playing him over rookies. It makes sense in ways to me but comparing nojo to any of those players is pretty ridiculous especially in a 4 game span. All those players are in their prime(besides Nelson), have far higher upside and will have far more points at the end of the year when they get settled in. It’s not a good comparison.

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    4 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Here I would prefer Foligno-Yurov-Hartman. Let Hartman take draws but shift to wing. Maybe this could happen when Sturm comes back?

    At this point, I just want to let yurov get his feet wet. Let him adjust to the speed and systems and build confidence. No need to throw him into the deep end and tell him to swim.

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    9 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Also, Mojo has the same or more points early on as Nelson, EP40, and Boeser, while only one point less than Thompson, Tuch, and Peterka.  Which one of those is making $800k?

    One player isn't killing the team.

    Honestly shocked they gave Johansson an assist on that Hartman goal. Hartman got the puck a stride or so inside the blue line, after the Blues mishandled a high puck and batted it into open ice ahead of Johansson. Johansson skated to it, made an unremarkable pass back towards Hartman, where Hartman dangled around the Blues player, then the Blues player went down to the ice and swept the puck into his own goal, essentially.  Hartman made the play, with some assistance from the Blues, and Johansson got a free point.

    https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/min-vs-stl/2025/10/09/2025020015

    Against the Kings, Johansson fired a shot that got blocked without reaching the goal and the puck bounced way out to Spurgeon, who scored on a nice wrist shot because Hinostroza(who had won a puck battle at the boards earlier in the play) screened the goalie and helped Spurgeon to score. Johansson gets credit for something he didn't even try to do on that one. Stroh's at least won the puck and screened the goalie, but he gets no credit...

    https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/lak-vs-min/2025/10/13/2025020047

    Those points are fine, but unremarkable. I have no reason to believe they could not be accomplished by anyone else on the roster. For me, Trenin's one assist on the season to Hartman was more impressive than the 2 credited to Johansson given that the shot came directly from the Trenin pass, not after someone had to make a play to truly create the scoring opportunity.

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    I made a post in the other topic about this, but my point on Mojo is more about the "now.". I know Ohgren and Yurov have way more upside going forward.  They should have that second line spot.  But in preseason, four games in, no.  Foligno, Mojo, they had their chances.  Ohgren and Yurov may be better at it if they get called a week from now, a month...or maybe never.

    Teams aren't letting elite players or even second liners walk anymore. That or do you want to spend $8-9m only Ehlers or Boeser?  That is the frustration.  Will Guerin punt a year to see how they do?

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    38 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Teams aren't letting elite players or even second liners walk anymore. That or do you want to spend $8-9m only Ehlers or Boeser?  That is the frustration.  Will Guerin punt a year to see how they do?

    I'm guessing Guerin will make a move this year if there's a reasonable deal to be made and the Wild are in the playoff hunt. They started worse a few years ago and still exceeded 100 points. 4 games in is far too soon for panic time, but they certainly miss Zuccarello's playmaking abilities right now.

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