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    Tony Abbott

    The Minnesota Wild were always going to be walking on a high wire this season. They're a playoff-caliber team laden with veterans who've been in the fold for a half-decade or more. It's also the case that they're working on bringing along four rookies into the NHL (as well as not-a-rookie-but-21-year-old David Jiříček) into that playoff lineup. Those two things are rarely true at the same time for a team.

    Coach John Hynes has been candid about this challenge early on this season. "If they're ready to play, they'll play," he told The Athletic on Monday. "But we also can’t just put nine kids in the lineup and think that all of a sudden, they’re going to be ready to go. We’re not in a rebuilding situation. We’re in a situation where we want to be a competitive hockey team."

    Hynes is in a position where his job depends on wins and losses, and it's important to be sensitive to that. The Wild's first four games included three playoff teams from last season, and the Columbus Blue Jackets are no pushover with Dean Evason coaching. They'll have another date with a Division winner on Friday, on the road against the Washington Capitals. It's not a soft schedule where rookies can slip in easily.

    That's why we've seen the Wild lean on players like Vladimir Tarasenko (averaging 16:21 minutes per night) and Marcus Johansson (14:03) over Liam Öhgren (9:12) and Danila Yurov (9:05). You're stacking up 1,822 combined NHL games against 34. There's stability in that, and it's clear that Hynes puts value on that experience.

    "Veteran players, they’ve been around, they know how to play, they know what the game is about," explained Hynes. "The NHL is a different beast. It’s not college. It’s not junior. No matter how good you were at other levels, you’re playing against the best guys in the world."

    It's the age-old NHL coaching conundrum: Ceiling vs. Floor. Maybe you're not impressed with Tarasenko's start, or think that Johansson's contributions don't live up to his role. But they provide a floor. Coaches want to know what they're getting, even if there is theoretically a 22-year-old who could give them more.

    Say what you want about someone like Nate Prosser, but there's a reason why he played 360 NHL games, and why would-be upstarts like Jonathon Blum, Ryan Murphy, Gustav Olofsson, and Louie Belpedio combined for just 364.

    Still, while the Wild aren't rebuilding, they are definitely building. Or at least, they should be. 

    Minnesota has been the ultimate Floor Team for its entire existence, and recent years have been no exception. Even in a relatively disastrous 2023-24 season, the Wild finished with a 39-34-9 record. Despite crushing cap penalties, they rarely have serious issues making the playoffs, and the core of the team has been remarkably intact over the past half-decade.

    However, they haven't had a ceiling. Or, rather, that ceiling was built between the first and second rounds of the playoffs. That's what needs to change, and that's why building is required.

    It's only been four games, but we've already seen the limitations of Minnesota being a Floor Team. A Floor Team can hold onto a 3-0 lead against the Los Angeles Kings. But when it comes to overcoming their starting goalie giving up six goals? Or knocking off a loaded Dallas Stars team on the road on the second of a back-to-back? Those are jobs for a Ceiling Team, and the Wild aren't putting themselves in much of a position to be that. Not yet.

    Again, Öhgren and Yurov are averaging just nine minutes a night, firmly behind Johansson and Tarasenko on the depth chart, even as Hynes blew up his lines on Tuesday night in Dallas. Buium has averaged 20 minutes a night, thanks to the power play. However, Jiříček has sat in the press box for three straight games since Opening Night.

    You can put some blame on those players, and it'd be warranted. Hynes spent training camp and preseason putting Öhgren and Yurov in prime lineup spots, and neither was particularly impressive. It's also true that they aren't demanding more playing time in limited minutes during the regular season. They healthy-scratched Jiříček due to mistakes he made against the St. Louis Blues, and he's spent the past few games receiving instruction from player development coach Alex Goligoski, who played 1,078 NHL games.

    As a rule, unimpressive veterans will get the benefit of the doubt over unimpressive rookies. But, as Anton Chigurh posed in No Country For Old Men, if the rule leads you to this, of what use was the rule?

    It's now been 192 minutes -- or 1.57 viewings of No Country For Old Men -- of game time since the Wild have scored a 5-on-5 goal. That's over three games, during which Öhgren and Yurov's roles have been minimal, and Jiříček's has been nonexistent.

    Perhaps this will feel a bit like singling out Johansson and Tarasenko, but it's essential to note that their veteran presence hasn't made them blameless participants in this ineptitude.

    Johansson had an opportunity to score a go-ahead goal at 5-on-5 against Columbus, but whiffed on a shot in the slot, which immediately went the other way to put the Wild down 3-2. It instantly snuffed out a would-be furious comeback, and Minnesota never recovered.

    On Monday, Johansson put the Los Angeles Kings on the power play two minutes after getting on the board to make the game 3-1. The Kings converted on their way to earning a standings point unnecessarily from the Wild.

    Meanwhile, Tarasenko's four power-play assists are papering over some horrid 5-on-5 play. The former 40-goal winger has spent 85.3% of his 5-on-5 minutes playing with Joel Eriksson Ek, one of the game's elite two-way centers. Despite this, Tarasenko has a paltry 28.1% expected goal share at 5-on-5, which is far from the realm of "good enough." Even in a small sample size.

    This is all to say: You don't need to be a rookie to lose a team games.

    Acknowledging that Öhgren and Yurov haven't done much on the fourth line shouldn't preclude wanting to see them get more opportunities. It's difficult to play your way off the fourth line, especially as a rookie. Your shifts are rare, and they're often short. Puck touches don't come as easily; getting into a rhythm is a massive challenge. 

    So when Öhgren showed signs of life against Los Angeles (two shots), why not elevate him to the second power play? Or perhaps give him a test run against Dallas while down 3-0? While Yurov has just two NHL games, he does have 270 games of KHL experience and is responsible in his own end. Why not see what he can do in an offensive role? Remember: Yurov scuffled offensively until getting a regular role for Metallurg Magnitogorsk. Why would Minnesota expect him to flourish with limited minutes?

    With Jiříček, it's trickier because Zach Bogosian has had a solid start to his season, and the Wild's blueline is healthy. Still, when benching a rookie for making mistakes, it's important to let them respond. It probably was a good thing to let Jiříček take a breather for a game, maybe even two. But last night, when the Wild were on the road and short on fresh legs, why couldn't they find a spot for Jiříček to apply the lessons he's learning? Even if he goes down to the AHL to get big minutes, does Minnesota want to give him the impression that he's Iowa-bound every time he makes a mistake?

    It's understandable to want to slow-play these youngsters, but they will need to ramp things up for them and get them ready for the playoffs. Without some of these players in decent roles, the Wild really are just last year's model, plus Buium. They need to be more than that, and if this 5-on-5 offense keeps up, they might need to make that jump sooner than they'd thought.

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    Hynes Quote: "If they're ready to play, they'll play"

    That isn't really true now is it.  It's a bit of a lie by Hynes.  There is an old business saying: "You don't get fired for hiring IBM" .  The quote fits what Hynes is doing.  He has young players that are ready... or are close to providing equal value.   He is choosing to play the Vets because it's a safe choice and makes it less likely to place him on the hot seat.  

    While the ceiling for Nojo is high, the floor for Nojo is very low.  In just 4 games he has shown us both sides.  Is Vlad playing bad?  I don't remember him doing anything that cost us but he isn't shining either.

    I know I would like to see Haight and Jiricek get back in the lineup soon though.  We need them to see minutes.

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    "It's the age-old NHL coaching conundrum: Ceiling vs. Floor. Maybe you're not impressed with Tarasenko's start, or think that Johansson's contributions don't live up to his role. But they provide a floor. Coaches want to know what they're getting"

    While i hate that Hynzy is playing journeymen, go-nowhere veterans over our prospects in the name of his own hide, this quote above helps me understand the levers Hynz is pulling in his brain.  

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    Maybe instead of burying the rookies on the fourth line for 9 mins a night, spread them out with veterans for better development and a rookie mistake is more likely to be covered by a veteran than another rookie.

    Go back to the pre-season line of Ogre, Ek, Tank. Maybe do NoJo, Hartman, yurov.

    There are options.

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    The Wild have dipshit coaches and management. Opened the game last night with a NoJoism. How the eff does an NHL coach or manager think this guy should play L2 in the NHL after a hundred proofs that he sucks. Blatant, obvious, assbaggery out there. NoJo frickin sucks! Let me illustrate. 

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    23 minutes ago, Kato AK said:

    Maybe instead of burying the rookies on the fourth line for 9 mins a night, spread them out with veterans for better development and a rookie mistake is more likely to be covered by a veteran than another rookie.

    Go back to the pre-season line of Ogre, Ek, Tank. Maybe do NoJo, Hartman, yurov.

    There are options.

    Waive NoJo, option 1A. Do it now...

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    I do think Hynes will see the work they put in.  It took a few games to get their feet under them, but it could be Ohgren and Yurov feed off each other better as players together than with veterans.  Neither Ohgren nor Yurov felt that way with Ek or Tarasenko, but I wonder if that's more Tarasenko's issue than theirs.  

    Jiricek is more a victim of circumstance.  Unless they want to either shunt Brodin's minutes to cover Jiricek (no way in hell), Middleton/Jiricek (eh....), or Buium/Jiricek (God help us), he's the odd man out until Bogo is traded or there's an injury.

    Let's not sugarcoat it, Buium brings something so undeniable they put up with his shit.  The others don't have that.

    If Ohgren and Yurov together play better than separately, that would be an interesting thing to find out.  Solving that second line (Hartman maybe) is the only other issue.

     

     

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    While the rookies have yet to do anything spectacular this season with their paltry nine mins of ice time a game, this is also true of every other line besides the first. The only exception to this statement has been Hartman.

    Tarasenko has been utterly unnoticable in all his 5v5 time. Nojo has been doing Nojo things, and while zone entries are good, they mean little when it comes right back out again.

    One thing I have noticed is our forth line being defensively rsponsible and hungry. Whether it is Haight, Yurov or Ohgren, they have been forechecking hard and backchecking even harder. While we play a rotating carousel of aging vets to try to fill the gap Zucc left with his injury the rookies are mostly consigned to the 4th line with very little ice time. 

    When the showing has been so pedestrian, why not try something a little crazy? Something needs to get the team going at is isn't putting another retread on the second line. It would be nice to see them sprinkle a little more icetime to the fourth line to at least let the rookies get in a rhythm. While I understand slow playing the new guys, I think we do them no favours by giving them very little icetime to "prove" they can perform on another line. 

    Even if Hynes doesn't want to elevate any of them, spread out the ice time further among forwards to at least give them ome time to acclimatize to the league. While throwing them to the wolves can be a losing proposition, giving them very little chance to go is also a losing one.

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    They talk about hurting the young players confidence in playing them and making mistakes.  Well what does sitting a young player in the press box do.  It's probably worse.  Three days in a row?  Inexcusable.  Hynesriding with the veterans is just plain wrong.  They make several mistakes and they keep playing.  If you are a rookie or young player the lesson learned is don't make a mistake at all if you want to play.  Juricek trade is looking worse and worse by the day.  Giving up all those draft pics for a guy you won't even play makes that trade as when the Vikings traded all those draft picks years ago to get Hershel Walker.  That worked out well didn't it?  Yes Juricek and the others will make mistakes but how do you expect them to improve if they don't play.  This team is no where near a sranley cup contender.  He'll they may not even make the playoffs this year.  If they don't like those young players then perhaps trade them for some more players that are old, slow, non productive and will demand no trade clauses.

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    Maybe its time to re visit the Tuch trade idea , throw in a Bogosian , couple picks ,  Vlad  etc ,  give Tuch a little raise  ,might be better than any center we can get .

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    18 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Jiricek will be back in the lineup when he subconsciously stops pinching in like he's a fourth forward.

    Yes we need to figure out if he’s stubborn or stupid.  Stubborn can be coached out of him.  Stupid is as stupid does.  

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    NoJo and Foligno have proven time and time again that they are NOT top 6 forwards.

    For the Wild to have any success this year either Yurov or Ohgren has to step up. How can they do that stapled to the bench? 

    Hynes is the wrong coach because he is a coward. He should have played Buium and Ohgren in the playoffs and he DEFINITELY should be playing them now. 

    Also, on what planet do you elevate Foligno and NoJo over Hartman? Seriously WTF is he thinking? 

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    6 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    On back to back nights we should be playing guys that sat the night before.  Fresh legs make a difference.  

    This will be more and more true as the compressed season schedule goes on. The teams that learn that lesson first and best will put themselves in the best position to survive the playoffs.

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    5 hours ago, NoJoSux said:

    Waive NoJo, option 1A. Do it now...

    While I do think NoJoSux might be a little over the top, those types of plays are the somewhat subtle things I also see him doing. Johansson gets more credit for solid defense than he deserves.

    I also noticed in the defensive zone, he had nobody super close to him and it was even strength, but just collected the puck at the boards and flipped it towards center ice and the other boards--not a pass to someone, just flipping it out of the zone unpressured. While that puck did leave the zone momentarily, the Wild went from having the puck to the other team quickly winning a 50/50 puck and racing back into the zone for an offensive opportunity that they ultimately buried.

    In the Columbus game, he fanned on an easy puck with it going to the other team, sending them racing into the zone for a great opportunity that they buried. It's not like they are avoiding rookie mistakes by playing the 35 year old. He skates well, but has a weak stick and does stupid stuff most nights.

    Note to Hynes, if the GM is paying him like a 4th line or press box guy, maybe you should be looking at him that way too...

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    7 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    On back to back nights we should be playing guys that sat the night before.  Fresh legs make a difference.  

    This will be more and more true as the compressed season schedule goes on. The teams that learn that lesson first and best will put themselves in the best position to survive the playoffs.

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    I don't have a problem with Haight playing in Iowa.  I have a problem with Yurov and Ohgren on the 4th line.  Those two are not going to project to being career 4th line guys.  I can see them being on the 4th line if the players on the first 3 lines are better.  However that isn't the case.  

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    It's now been 192 minutes -- or 1.57 viewings of No Country For Old Men -- of game time since the Wild have scored a 5-on-5 goal.

    With Zucc being out and Hynes shuffling up the lines being early in the season, I guess is as expected.  On a brighter note, Wild have potted 15 goals thus far, with 10 of those goal have been on the PP, with Zeev QB-ing 9 of them.  Did we just solve our PP game?  

     

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    8 hours ago, Dis-allowed display name said:

    You can blame the coach all you want for playing Nojo, but it was the stupid GM who gave him another year.  Without the guy, one of the kids would be getting a better opportunity.

    They dumped 3-4 players from the end of last year's roster.  Acting like they didn't give almost all of them their opportunity to win jobs outright is kinda silly.  Nyquist, Brazeau, Fleury, Gaudreau, all gone.  Mojo took a paycut.  Bogo only sticks around because he has one more year left.

    Losing because kids played like shit is the same as if veterans played like shit.  Hynes isn't "not playing kids" as if they are some plague.  Rossi and Boldy have proven to be top line guys. Faber eats up minutes to his detriment sometimes.  Buium is -6, but is helping the team's PP be better than it has any right to be.  Wally just stole a game the Wild usually choke away.

    But no.  Ohgren and Yurov weren't "gifted" 2nd line minutes when EVERYONE in that spot (including them) has struggled to lock it down.

    Hynes isn't running a charity.  He gave 4 different people chances at 2W (and gave them first crack).  Hate Johansson irrationally all you want, but one player getting a couple games higher in the lineup isn't the reason the team is 2-2.  

    Maybe they run Boldy or Hartman next.  Hynes isn't out to get Yurov, Ohgren, or Jiricek.  They'd be playing if they didn't have issues or were providing too much upside like Buium.  Koivu, Rossi, and Ek all started as 4Cs at some point.

    Some people just want scapegoats...

     

     

     

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    Also, Mojo has the same or more points early on as Nelson, EP40, and Boeser, while only one point less than Thompson, Tuch, and Peterka.  Which one of those is making $800k?

    One player isn't killing the team.

     

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