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  • The Johansson Deal Shows That New Freedoms Won't Break Guerin's Old Habits


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    Tony Abbott

    Limitations and restrictions breed creativity. The Minnesota Wild have dealt with them during the crushing burden of the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter buyouts. If there's something Bill Guerin has excelled at during that time, it's finding ways to squeeze value out of zero cap space. Retaining Ryan Hartman on a pay cut in 2021, acquiring Jake Middleton for nothing from the San Jose Sharks, and plucking Freddy Gaudreau from obscurity are prime examples.

    Once Guerin finds these bargains, he's been loath to let them go. Hartman is in the second year of a 3-year, $4 million AAV contract. Middleton is entering his second contract with the team, with Minnesota on the hook for four years and $4.35M AAV. Gaudreau is in the third year of a five-year, $2.1M AAV deal. 

    These deals seemed like a general manager stretching out as many pennies as possible to make an awful salary cap situation work. With the buyout handcuffs off, would we see a new, aggressive Guerin?

    It's only June 2, but Minnesota retaining Marcus Johansson ahead of free agency appears to somewhat answer our question. The one-year, $800K contract doesn't preclude the Wild from taking a big swing this summer, far from it. However, it indicates that stability is still king in St. Paul, and Guerin's commitment to keeping his guys around was about more than his financial limitations.

    There's not much to say about the contract itself. It's just $25K above the league-minimum salary, and Johansson is more-or-less a replacement-level player. Over his past two seasons (on a similarly-bargain 2-year, $2M AAV contract), Johansson has been a solid defensive player, though one that was a non-factor offensively. He delivered 1.0 Standings Points Above Replacement in 150 games over the life of the deal, per Evolving-Hockey.

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    Is it a "good" contract? Sure, probably. But the value they're getting on the contract is immaterial at this point. Much like the Gustav Nyquist trade deadline acquisition, the price is less important than the lack of creativity and urgency to improve the team. Assuming the Wild's top line has Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy on it, Minnesota's middle-six forwards are littered with 30-plus-year-olds who've been around the team for years with zero postseason success.

    Behold, Minnesota will start next season with:

    Marcus Foligno, 34, six playoff series in Minnesota
    Mats Zuccarello, 38, five playoff series in Minnesota
    Ryan Hartman, 31, five playoff series in Minnesota
    Marcus Johansson, 35, three playoff series in Minnesota
    Freddy Gaudreau, 32, three playoff series in Minnesota

    Throw in Yakov Trenin, a 28-year-old grinder with 15 points last season, and that's six of nine spots held by veteran players who will almost certainly have an everyday role in 2025-26. 

    Do the math here. That's nine forward spots of 12 that are gone. If the Wild keep Marco Rossi, take off another spot. Suppose Guerin fulfills his wish list and gets "centers" and "a scoring winger," that's all 12 forward spots filled.

    This is all happening as the Wild's two first-round picks from the 2022 Draft are knocking on the door. Liam Öhgren scored 19 goals and 37 points in 41 games for a not-very-good Iowa Wild team. Danila Yurov is about to make his much-anticipated NHL debut and has an out clause to join the KHL if he can't find a place in the lineup. That gets much harder if, say, Johansson draws in for 70 games on the third line.

    And for what upside? At the trade deadline in 2023, Johansson caught lightning in a bottle when he scored six goals and 18 points in 20 games alongside Boldy and Eriksson Ek. Since then, Johansson has had two 11-goal campaigns, averaging 32 points. At 35, that lightning isn't coming back. Still, Johansson is despite two underwhelming seasons.

    In fairness, teams need depth, and the Wild would always need to sign some cheap veterans to take-a-flier deals. But instead of using it as an opportunity to find a decent, devalued asset who might offer something new -- again, something Guerin's front office has proven that they can do well -- they're recycling the same old thing. 

    Stability isn't a terrible thing in and of itself. Stagnation is, though. Minnesota already had a locker room full of Guerin-type veterans and limited spots to give to their young players. What's the obsession with running back the over-30 core of a team that, time and again, has shown they can't get it done in the postseason?

    Next month, Guerin will have an opportunity to blow us away with his creativity, and some great moves will put this minor signing on the back burner. But this contract hints that even with the Wild's newfound financial freedom, they're perhaps still stuck in their old, cap-strapped mindset. 

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    11 hours ago, TCMooch said:

    Billl Guerin is an idiot and I absolutely think he is NOT the guy to turn this team around. I think personality wise based on articles from Russo and the Athletic that he's a piece of shit human. I also think he's a terrible GM that is more interested in signing players "like him" than he is on icing the best talent. His obsession with signing aging vets is problematic.

    The fact that signing somebody to a 1-year contact at less than 1 million dollars is going to stir controversy and strong opinions is enough of an indicator that this team is headed in the wrong direction.

    Good thing you didn't overreact.  Smh

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    12 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Yes, because all the young guys other than Rossi, Faber, and Boldy have lit the world on fire.

    That is all a fair assessment. What could some of those prospects do given the opportunities Freddy or Jojo got? They got 3rd line at best. We know what these aging vets ceilings are, we know NOTHING about the prospects.

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    14 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    This is all moot if Guerin actually finds a good player that is a no-brainer 1st/2nd line guy, maybe two or three.  It only sucks if Mojo is 2nd line wing by default again.  THAT would be true failure.

    A fast moving 30 point player making league minimum is hardly an issue if he's depth only.  Next you're gonna tell me Gaudreau is worthless or something.

    I want Ohgren and Yurov to be studs.  But the Ohgren we saw last year was barely as good as Johansson.  He has to find a gear that makes him qualified to be a 2nd or 3rd line guy over a vet.

     

    What, over the past 6 years, has shown billy will give the kids a legit shot. What has he, ownership, or coaches have shown other than relying on the vets?

    Again, I see liepold as a giant problem. Fans in the stands as long as they make the playoffs. Never a full rebuild, never a contender.

    Billy wants a team in his old school image, big bruising vets.

    Hynes wants whatever he is told and vets.

    What has ANYTHING over the last 6 yrs shows you things will change?

    Jojo will be a 2nd or 3rd liner and we will have all the prospects still in Iowa.

    I don't get how people can support billy or the organization as a whole.

    From Iowa not developing to the Wild not playing them and relying on the same old vets. Just good enough to make the playoffs, never pushing the needle.

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    17 minutes ago, Need4speed99 said:

    That is all a fair assessment. What could some of those prospects do given the opportunities Freddy or Jojo got? They got 3rd line at best. We know what these aging vets ceilings are, we know NOTHING about the prospects.

    Unfair assessment*

    Won't let me edit.

    How is showing kap you want to win rolling back the same team majority year after year then probably trading a young up and comer for prospects or mid 6 players going to make you better.

    Most people ( and writers on mn hockey) have realized billy is a joke and the Wild organization has no interest in being a contender. Those still blindly supporting billy, what has he done in 6+ years. He came in with a 5 yr plan... what now?

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    SWhat a lot of those guys proved were they weren't good enough to do things we don't see. 

    Let's just open the floodgates and let Heidt on the team when he gets zoomed past in open ice during preseason.  Give Ohgren free reign when he has some of the least offensive and defensive impact on the team.

    "But Khus was fast.  Didn't matter he couldn't score and he was a defensive liability on a defense focused team.  He wasn't playing with Boldy"

    Gaudreau rebounded from his concussion in a big way. Foligno did too.  Writing veterans off to "let kids play" ignores that maybe the kids aren't good enough yet or ever.  Look how long it took Donato to get good?  I'm not waiting a decade on a player to figure out his shit.  

    I'm not giving Guerin a pass on stupid trades like Nyquist and what not, but let's not just anoint shiny new toys great without proof. 

     

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    6 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

    big bruising vets

    Well…. Florida is becoming the most recent team everyone (nationally) is talking about wanting to copy. That includes the Canes & Toronto. You know at least one thing they want to copy? Yup

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    Everybody wants to emulate the most recent successful team which currently is the Florida Panthers.  Big boy bruising hockey. By the time you build your team into that the new successful model will be small, fast and finesse hockey. You can chase styles and never catch up. 

     

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    3 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Well…. Florida is becoming the most recent team everyone (nationally) is talking about wanting to copy. That includes the Canes & Toronto. You know at least one thing they want to copy? Yup

    The panthers are one of the lightest teams in the league. They do play physical but they play fast. The Wild seem to enjoy big and slow.

    Florida also has depth and have made great trades and been able to develop players.

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    4 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    SWhat a lot of those guys proved were they weren't good enough to do things we don't see. 

    Let's just open the floodgates and let Heidt on the team when he gets zoomed past in open ice during preseason.  Give Ohgren free reign when he has some of the least offensive and defensive impact on the team.

    "But Khus was fast.  Didn't matter he couldn't score and he was a defensive liability on a defense focused team.  He wasn't playing with Boldy"

    Gaudreau rebounded from his concussion in a big way. Foligno did too.  Writing veterans off to "let kids play" ignores that maybe the kids aren't good enough yet or ever.  Look how long it took Donato to get good?  I'm not waiting a decade on a player to figure out his shit.  

    I'm not giving Guerin a pass on stupid trades like Nyquist and what not, but let's not just anoint shiny new toys great without proof. 

     

    The Wild have had the same MO for the last 20 years, what has that gotten them?

    They are the definition of mediocre. The prospects are unknown. I'm not saying most will even be great but their ceiling is unknown. If you want to see what you got give them better opportunities. The current model of the last several decades is not working. 

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    11 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

    What has ANYTHING over the last 6 yrs shows you things will change?

    The prospects are maturing and the handcuffs are off. I believe that OCL's next demand is build me a "contender." We've got a ways to go for that.

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    4 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Well…. Florida is becoming the most recent team everyone (nationally) is talking about wanting to copy. That includes the Canes & Toronto. You know at least one thing they want to copy? Yup

    To my knowledge, there are only 2 Tkachuk brothers out there and FL has 1. There could be some money in cloning here.

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    59 minutes ago, Need4speed99 said:

    They are the definition of mediocre. The prospects are unknown. I'm not saying most will even be great but their ceiling is unknown. If you want to see what you got give them better opportunities. The current model of the last several decades is not working. 

    I think you might want to rethink this. Fletcher gave up on the prospect pool and traded them off for TDL magic dust. Guerin has not done that. 

    Put another way, Fletcher liked his steaks rare, Guerin likes his well done. 

    This is not the same way things have been done for 20 years. The results have been similar, but we've skinned that cat differently each time.

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    On 6/3/2025 at 1:31 PM, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    So we have a first line, two third lines, and an old veteran fourth line.  Stanley Cup here we come!

    Too many players in their thirties, even though I like 38, 17, and 36.  But 13, 89 and 90...hard pass.  We don't even use 89 for shootouts anymore, so what does he bring, because it's not speed. 

    Pick off some depth players from winning franchises like FLA, VGK, DAL, TBL, quit searching around the dollar store from somebody else's junk.  At least Fenton somewhat blew up our middling roster in an attempt to get better, except VRask😁

    Nate Schmidt, Corey Perry, or even Granlund again. Then trade Fred and Chisholm for some other depth guys. If the Wild are truly gonna play some of their young guys. 

    Sturm, Nosek, and other bigger centers are available that could be an upgrade over Fred. He's had his moments but I totally agree the Wild are content with some of the most average guys because they're responsible or somehow organizational favorites. It's stupid. NoJo, Fred, and Merrill, are not moving the needle. Of all the expiring deals, Fleury actually had good numbers and I'd take him for one more year over these other blowbags. 

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