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    Tony Abbott

    The State of Hockey wakes up on Saturday to the rumbling aftershocks of the Quinn Hughes trade. And in taking the temperature based on comments on Hockey Wilderness, elsewhere on the internet, and personal text messages, it seems one of those shocks is of the sticker variety.

    One can definitely argue that the Vancouver Canucks maximized their return for Hughes. The jewel of the trade for them is Zeev Buium, who came into this season as a consensus top-10 prospect in the NHL. They got a legitimate top-six center in Marco Rossi, who is 24 and coming off a 60-point season and a good start before injuries struck. They got a solid NHL-ready(ish) prospect in Liam Öhgren, and a first-round pick in 2026. It's a really good haul for a rebuilding team forced to sell off a franchise player. 

    The largest point of contention seems to stem from surrendering Buium in the deal. NHL teams are usually loath to give up prospects of Buium's caliber -- they're young, cost-controlled, and full of potential. Putting on the Sigmund Freud glasses to psychoanalyze the fanbase, perhaps they have lingering memories of the Wild giving up Alex Tuch as a top prospect before he was able to establish himself in Minnesota. 

    Or it might not be that deep. Buium's the rare prospect where you can throw around comparisons like Hughes or Cale Makar and not sound like someone who breathlessly compares J.J. McCarthy to Tom Brady. It makes sense that fans would be attached to the idea that he, too, could grow into being a player like Hughes. Why surrender Buium plus two roster players and a first-rounder if Buium might grow into the role in the near future?

    The reason why is simple: Hughes is the Hughes-like player that we think Buium can become. There's uncertainty with Buium, and no, it's not because he didn't immediately take the NHL by storm. It's unlikely that he will be Hughes, mostly because most prospects -- hell, most S-Tier prospects -- don't turn into Hughes. Hell, Luke Hughes has the same parents as Quinn, and he hasn't even turned into Quinn yet. 

    The Athletic's Corey Pronman may have illuminated that point when he spoke at length about Buium ahead of this season. "[Buium] brings you out of the seat with his talent. He's so skilled, so smart, so dynamic. A great skater," the normally reserved prospect evaluator gushed. "When I see him. "Honestly, when I watched him, I see (Zach) Werenski. I see that guy at the same age."

    Look, Zach Werenski rocks. He contended for the Calder Trophy in his rookie year with a 47-point season. He's scored 20 goals from the blueline twice. Last season, he finished runner-up for the Norris Trophy and seventh for MVP, and he's producing at a point-per-game pace this season.

    And yet, as great as he is, he's not transcendent in the way Hughes is. Werenski has averaged 57 points per 82 games throughout his career, while Hughes is averaging 77. Werenski's play has been worth a cumulative 23.7 Standings Points Above Replacement throughout his career, while Hughes is at 27.3 SPAR... and that's with 134 fewer games. Hughes has also been a Norris Trophy finalist twice before his 26th birthday, while Werenski didn't accomplish that until his age-27 season.

    Buium has the talent to beat the odds, sure, but it's much more likely that he's "just" a No. 1 defenseman than an All-World defenseman like Hughes. It's just simple probability. 

    The Vancouver Canucks know this, too. They didn't make this trade because they were excited about cashing in a 26-year-old Hughes for a younger version. As Vancouver beat writer Harman Dayal wrote for The Athletic, "With the writing on the wall that Hughes wasn’t going to re-sign in Vancouver long-term, the Canucks had to do their best to minimize the pain." The Canucks almost certainly would have preferred to keep Hughes. 

    That fact alone should dispel the reservations about the price involved. Trading for Hughes also means giving up Marco Rossi, who has looked like a low-end No. 1 center over the past two seasons. Rossi's a strong player with a nose for the net, a responsible two-way game, and sneaky grit. Is he ever going to be considered an MVP candidate? Probably not.

    Meanwhile, Hughes is at that level. As for Öhgren and the first-round pick? The former might be a solid middle-six winger, while the latter is a lottery ticket. 

    So if we're scoring at home, there are just two risks for this trade: That Buium hits his 99th-percentile outcome and becomes a Hughes-type player, and that Minnesota can't convince Hughes to stay in the State of Hockey. Are the risks noteworthy? Sure, but they're also acceptable. And even if one of those outcomes happen, that might not mean Minnesota automatically loses the trade.

    Buium might be everything the Wild think he'll be, but the fact of the matter is that Minnesota needed him to be a superstar this season to maximize their Stanley Cup window. That's not a fair expectation, maybe, but that's how the Wild are built.

    Kaprizov is healthy, on pace for 47 goals, and most crucially, making $9 million against the cap before his cap hit nearly doubles. Important players like Mats Zuccarello, Jared Spurgeon, Marcus Johansson, and Marcus Foligno are well into their 30s. Their cornerstone players: Kaprizov, Matt Boldy, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Brock Faber are in the age-23-to-29 sweet spot. The Wild still have about $6.3 million of deadline cap space to make another move. 

    For those reasons, this may be the year Minnesota is best-suited to make a run. So if it costs Rossi, Öhgren, and a first-round pick for Bill Guerin to, effectively, hit fast-forward for six years of Buium's development, that's worth it.

    Wild fans should already know how challenging it can be waiting for prospects when the contention window says it's go-time. That's what happened with the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter Wild core. They waited for top prospects like Mikael Granlund, Charlie Coyle, Jonas Brodin, Matt Dumba, Jason Zucker, and Nino Niederreiter to grow up fast and boost an aging core.

    Those players reached a high level in the 2016-17 season, but by then? Parise and Suter were 32, and their best years were behind them. Mikko Koivu was 33, and about to go into decline. They had the one great season that year, got goalie'd in the first round, and that was that.

    Acquiring Hughes is about avoiding that mistake. Having Hughes and Kaprizov in the fold and in their primes over the next two seasons gives Minnesota two playoff runs that look more promising than any in franchise history. They don't have to wait for someone to hit their stride, hoping they'll fall in the middle of the Venn diagram between prospects developing and aging veterans holding on. The pieces are largely in place, go win some games.

    That probably makes the deal worth it even in the worst-case scenario: that this ends with Hughes walking in the summer of 2027. Again, Kaprizov's at the absolute height of his powers, at age 28. The Wild hope he'll age well, and his all-around skill set suggests he should still play at a high level into his 30s, but his ability to bring a Cup to Minnesota is probably at its apex this year and next. Hughes and Kaprizov for two years might represent a greater chance at the Cup than Buium and Kaprizov for the next nine.

    Besides, seeing as the Wild are the only team to have written a $17 million check to a superstar, it's going to be tough to call it a slam-dunk that Hughes will be gone in two years. 

    Much like it was with Kaprizov this summer, the price for Hughes was substantial, but also, it's a price any team should be willing to pay. Players as good as Hughes don't hit the trade market often, and certainly not when they're in the middle of their prime. You pay whatever price to get those players when they become available, because regardless of what's getting sent back, the team landing an All-World player is going to walk away the better deal.

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    12 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Yes, it would be crazy considering it would be his first ever.

    I understand that Hughes is better than Buium today and fits the timeline a bit better, but I was bought in on Buium's future and now another fan base will get that.

    The 4 for 1 asset swap is more than I'm comfortable with, but I'm sure the hockey will be exciting.

    I'd be more excited to have found a way to move Rossi, Ohgren, and some pick combination for Pastrnak(or other high end scoring forward while retaining Buium), but I guess an undersized offensive defenseman in his prime instead of a mid-sized rookie offensive defenseman(who has 12-16 years of quality play ahead) is what Wild fans get.

    Guerin doesn’t complete a transaction until he’s assured  to overpay by at least 35%

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    Tony's right, it's go time. Prospect pool is about to be drained. Guerin has more work to do, possibly a 2nd line center, possibly an RHS sniper shot wing. Possibly both.

    Quinn is part of the US Olympic team. I'm pretty sure Guerin has had a feel for him and how some of our guys like Faber and Boldy mix with him. Quinn will be able to play with his brothers on this team. Maybe that's enough?

    One thing Guerin has a clear advantage of over Fletcher is the locker room chemistry. He just has a real good feel for that. I think he kind of knew going in that for the next 2 years, he has saved Quinn from meaningless games, and for a player, that can add to loyalty. Guerin gets to have access where other GMs can't by being the head of the US Olympic team. He can have conversations with players nobody else has access to, and he can see the interaction in the locker room which he is really good at. I think we need to trust this a little bit instead of worrying about the resigning.

    Now, if we can duct tape OCL's mouth shut so he doesn't blurt out something like the highest paid defenseman in the league when he gets in front of cameras. I have no problem paying him Makar money, and we don't have to worry about paying Rossi and Buium at the end of their deals. 

    Going forward, with a signed Hughes, I can see this team being easily able to recruit bottom 6ers for reasonable prices, and have a contingency plan for injuries in Iowa. 

    Also, and I don't like this, I felt it was telling that Kierstad was called up instead of Lambos yesterday. He had to plug and play.  I thought Lambos had a pretty good camp, and he has been playing better in Iowa. I haven't raised the bust flag yet, but I certainly know where it is, and am very disappointed since I've been really high on him being a top 4 kind of defender. 

    Yesterday, I thought Jiricek looked a lot better. He seemed to have calmed down, made some really nice stretch passes, but also got knocked around a bit. Did anyone else feel like Ottawa was a bit of a cheap shot team? I'm getting that feeling. I cannot believe that Tkachuk had 2 crosschecks sending Hunt head first into the boards, walked away from the play with the puck, and then after the whistle went and mauled Ek, all without a penalty. 

    Ek's goal was great at the end, and I'd consider it justice served! I was expecting Hughes to debut with the Wild yesterday, as I'd heard through the Devils' broadcast that Buium, Rossi, and Ohgren were already practicing with Vancouver. But, I also didn't realize we had an afternoon game and Guerin probably didn't get the plane back in time. Secretly, I'm hoping within the next year, Hughes falls in love with a nice MN girl who has a very close family and doesn't want to leave 😎

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    22 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Faber + Hughes 

    Spurge + Midds? 

    Brodin + Bogo? 

    I'd go:

    Faber-Hughes

    Spurge-JoBro

    Midds-Bogo

    Spurge and JoBro were the most dominant d-pairing last season. And this assumes that Faber and Hughes gel well.

    Let's go!

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    17 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Yesterday, I thought Jiricek looked a lot better. He seemed to have calmed down, made some really nice stretch passes, but also got knocked around a bit. Did anyone else feel like Ottawa was a bit of a cheap shot team? I'm getting that feeling. I cannot believe that Tkachuk had 2 crosschecks sending Hunt head first into the boards, walked away from the play with the puck, and then after the whistle went and mauled Ek, all without a penalty.

    Ottawa got away with a whole lot of crap. The refs were really poor. I sensed that the Wild were holding back for fear of retribution penalties and fines. 

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    21 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    We got a top-10 player by some national standards.

    We'll find out. Kaprizov is considered a top 10 player.

    Kaprizov, Boldy, JEE, Zuccarello, and Hughes might just be one of the most dangerous power plays in all of hockey, if Hynes plays Hughes on PP1...

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    56 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Yesterday, I thought Jiricek looked a lot better. He seemed to have calmed down

    I do not agree here. I saw some of the same mental blunders from the Jiri Project™️.  This kid has played multiple seasons in the ahl and has been intensely tutored along the way and he’s too stubborn to keep himself from being too stupid.  I’m beginning to think Button’s hit the nail on the head with his prognosis.  3rd pair guy.  I know no negativity during the Hughes trade hopium window.  I’ll go back to planning the parade route

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    On 12/13/2025 at 11:17 AM, MacGyver said:

    What will it take to resign Hughes? Makar money whatever that is going to be? Then you got $17M into what could be your third best player on the team behind Hughes and maybe Boldy if he keeps trending. Hughes may make Kaprizov's contract look like you over paid for Kaprizov which I felt is true from the start. 

    You don't get Hughes if Kaprizov splits, IMO. 

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    1 minute ago, Tony Abbott said:

    You don't get Hughes if Kaprizov splits, IMO. 

    As much as I’d like to complain about the overpay, I agree.  97 + Q = ?    Gonna be fun to see what comes next

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    Watching the Devils play the Canucks right now I’m beginning to think that Quinn Hughes’s decision to resign a year from now will be with which team he thinks has the best chance to win a cup over the next few years. I can’t imagine he’d sign with the devils if it’s looking like they are not on a path for the cup while we hopefully are on that path.

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    I think we're going to find out extremely quickly just how different Hughes is from the extremely good collection of defensemen the Wild have had over the years. Hughes is a cheat code. 

     

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    4 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Watching the Devils play the Canucks right now I’m beginning to think that Quinn Hughes’s decision to resign a year from now will be with which team he thinks has the best chance to win a cup over the next few years. I can’t imagine he’d sign with the devils if it’s looking like they are not on a path for the cup while we hopefully are on that path.

    Seems the Devils are in the mix most of the time but aren't there quite yet. You have to know the Hughes brothers have to think how winning a Stanley Cup with all of them on the same team would cement them in hockey history for all time. That's a dream awful hard to pass up without even giving it a shot. This move to the Wild maybe just a holding pattern to allow the Devils to make a move before bringing Quinn into the fold. 

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    30 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Watching the Devils play the Canucks right now I’m beginning to think that Quinn Hughes’s decision to resign a year from now will be with which team he thinks has the best chance to win a cup over the next few years. I can’t imagine he’d sign with the devils if it’s looking like they are not on a path for the cup while we hopefully are on that path.

    Would he sign with the team that can pay him the most?

    Asking for a friend.

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    4 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

    Seems the Devils are in the mix most of the time but aren't there quite yet. You have to know the Hughes brothers have to think how winning a Stanley Cup with all of them on the same team would cement them in hockey history for all time. That's a dream awful hard to pass up without even giving it a shot. This move to the Wild maybe just a holding pattern to allow the Devils to make a move before bringing Quinn into the fold. 

    Come on over Hughes boys!

     

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    17 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    I think we're going to find out extremely quickly just how different Hughes is from the extremely good collection of defensemen the Wild have had over the years. Hughes is a cheat code. 

     

    Holy fook! He and KK97 can keep possession of the puck for a half hour if they're on the ice together. 😮

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    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I do not agree here. I saw some of the same mental blunders from the Jiri Project™️.  This kid has played multiple seasons in the ahl and has been intensely tutored along the way and he’s too stubborn to keep himself from being too stupid.  I’m beginning to think Button’s hit the nail on the head with his prognosis.  3rd pair guy.  I know no negativity during the Hughes trade hopium window.  I’ll go back to planning the parade route

    Yeah I saw some of that, too. Trenin gets beat off the puck too much, too, IMHO.

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    2 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    Trenin gets beat off the puck too much, too

    Trenin is a pylon that hits that costs $3.5M AAV which is at least a 35% overpay.  The Jiri project™️is a prospect that cost us a 1, 2,3 &4th + Hunt.   If he doesn’t become a top 4 D this trade will obliterate Guerin’s min 35% standard overpay policy

    i know, hopium only today

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    1 minute ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Trenin is a pylon that hits that costs $3.5M AAV which is at least a 35% overpay.  The Jiri project™️is a prospect that cost us a 1, 2,3 &4th + Hunt.   If he doesn’t become a top 4 D this trade will obliterate Guerin’s min 35% standard overpay policy

    i know, hopium only today

    😂🤣

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    On 12/13/2025 at 11:31 AM, Pablo said:

    Yurov (i) isnt just along for the ride.

    I went all in on Yurov after his response to the Dunn hit on Zuccarello. He's now officially one of us. Kaprizov has proven in the past that he plays well with those he is comfortable with and has chemistry with (Hartman, Rossi, Steel, Zuccarello) who are not stars in the league. Yurov doesn't have to be a star, just Robin to Batman.

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    Welcome to a win-now window. We all should’ve seen this coming after they resigned Kaprizov.

    Since Hughes is everything we had hoped Zeev could become I don’t mind including him in the trade to accelerate our timeline. 

    It looks like a lot to give up, but that’s the cost of getting a top-tier player. 

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