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  • Minnesota's Center Of the Future Might Be A Winger In This Year's Draft


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    Tony Abbott

    On one hand, Ryan Hartman is conclusive proof that the Minnesota Wild needs a "True" No. 1 Center. Hartman's spent the better part of two years riding shotgun alongside Kirill Kaprizov and Mats Zuccarello, and it's netted the Wild exactly four playoff wins in that time. Unfortunately, they weren't in the same year, which would at least have meant Minnesota got past the first round.

    On the other, Ryan Hartman is conclusive proof that the "True" No. 1 Center isn't really a useful framework to begin with. As useful as it'd be to have a Connor McDavid, Auston Matthews, or Jack Hughes up the middle at the top of your lineup, what's the more important part? That they're centers, or that they are elite players?

    It's definitely the latter. Because in some cases, like with Hughes, players we consider No. 1 Centers are low-key kind of not centers. Hughes takes some faceoffs but fewer than six per game. Up until last year, Elias Pettersson was in a similar spot, lining up in the faceoff dot under seven times per game.

    Meanwhile, someone like Hartman can take on that No. 1 Center role and acquit himself well. This is no offense to Hartman, whose speed, shot, and willingness to mix it up are assets to Kaprizov and Zuccarello. But if a third-line winger can thrive as a center, what does a center even mean?

    And make no mistake, he's thrived there. Over the past two years, 366 forwards have had 1000-plus 5-on-5 minutes. Hartman is tied with Brad Marchand with 2.42 points per hour. That's comparable to a bunch of No. 1 Centers. Look at Sasha Barkov (2.47), Brayden Point (2.47), Leon Draisaitl (2.47), Sidney Crosby (2.46), Roope Hintz (2.41), and Pettersson (2.33).

    That's not to say everyone can do this, and that's not to say Hartman is The Guy who can get it done there for the Wild long-term. All those names offer power play utility, for example, that Hartman lacks. However, it brings up an interesting question: Can the Wild replicate this with someone else in their system? And if not, can they draft someone who could thrive in that switch?

    Matt Boldy is a popular candidate to do this. Flashing this look on the power play is intriguing, but it's perhaps wise to not mess with his success at 5-on-5. However, if the Wild want to find this player in this year's draft, there's a good candidate who could fall into Minnesota's range: Samuel Honzek.

    Most outlets have Honzek firmly in the winger category. How much does that matter going forward? Hartman certainly gives us a reason to question it. Because other than that, he seems to check the boxes you want for a prototypical No. 1 Center. Honzek has the big frame the Wild faithful drools over when imagining drafting their next center. He weighed into the combine at 6'3.25" inches and 195 pounds.

    Being big is one thing. The question for a lot of players, especially the ones with the added defensive responsibilities of a center is: Can you skate? For Honzek, the answer appears to be a resounding yes. FC Hockey is relatively low on him, ranking him 36th in the class, but still praises his wheels. "His effortless north-south game, reach, and skating ability allow him to cover a lot of ice quickly." 

    Furthermore, he's produced very well as a rookie in the WHL. Honzek spent the year prior in the Slovakian men's league, where he put up 10 goals and 14 points in 49 games. Respectable for a player entering a men's league at age-16 and cutting his teeth, but not mind-blowing. But making the trip across the pond and adjusting to North American ice, he played in 43 games, scoring 23 goals and 56 points.

    His 1.30 points per game was top-25 in the WHL. In that light, he fares better than some of his contemporaries in this draft, including draft hopefuls Brayden Yager and Nate Danielson, who are both considered centers.

    Hockey Prospecting puts his career trajectory as similar to Jason Pominville, giving him a 32% probability of becoming a star player. Say what you want about Pominville's decline, but the guy had three 30-goal seasons and cracked the 60-point mark six times in his career.

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    So Honzek is big, skates well, and is productive. What's the catch? Is the guy bad at defense or something? Mitchell Brown of Elite Prospects tracked eight games of him at 5-on-5. Although it's a small sample size, he put Honzek's defense in the 87th percentile among prospects. Honzek gets praise for being able to play on both ends of the ice. 

    As far as we can tell, there seem to be two knocks on him. The first is that an injury in World Juniors took him out for a lot of the stretch run. It's a time of year where prospects really make their reputations leading up to the draft. He missed two months, and when he returned in February, he only scored six goals and 13 points in 12 games, which suggests he wasn't 100%.

    The good news there is that his injury was more of a freak-type of deal than anything that should be a concern going forward. He got his calf cut during the tournament. What are you going to do about that? And how many times is that going to happen?

    The other knock concerns whether he uses his size enough. He can win board battles and forecheck, but the finesse parts of his game worry some scouts. It's good that he has the skills to succeed playing finesse hockey, but as Boldy learned in the playoffs, you can't rely on that 100% of the time. The hope would be that the Wild can unlock some grittiness there, if it is indeed deficient.

    It sounds like a band-aid to get a player to convert from wing to center, and it might be more appealing to try and get a more established pivot. But in Minnesota's case, it might be able to work. And while the Wild don't have a Cup to show for this experiment, there's another team who does.

    The Vegas Golden Knights traded for Chandler Stephenson in 2020, who spent most of his career as a winger with the Washington Capitals. However, he played center in Vegas, and he has been there ever since. He's had great wingers to play with in Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty, and Alex Tuch, and they (especially Stone) do a lot of heavy lifting. 

    But Stephenson simplifies his game and plays his role perfectly. Vegas reached the Conference Finals in their first year here. He was the No. 1 center of the team that toppled the Wild in Kaprizov's first year. He's scored 60-plus points in two consecutive seasons while taking a heavy load of faceoffs. 

    The Wild going to be a wing-driven team for the foreseeable future. Kaprizov and Boldy are game-changing forces on the wing. Minnesota also hopes that Danila Yurov and Liam Öhgren will do the same for them. They might just need someone like Honzek, who can skate, fill space, and get open for a shot when Kaprizov or Boldy need a pressure valve. If Hartman and Stephenson can, why not Honzek?

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    Honzek is definitely a guy I think should be on their radar for a 1st round pick.

    Draft is less than a week away now, and it seems people move up and down draft boards pretty regularly, aside from the handful at the top. Honzek looks like a legit prospect that could help a team in a few years. We shall see if he goes top 20 or if he's available for the Wild.

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    Corey Pronman and Scott Wheeler, the main draft analysts over at the Athletic have put out some lists of prospects; One has Oliver Moore at 9 and Nate Danielson at 20, the other has the same two just the opposite. Just goes to show once you are above about 7 or 8, things can move around substantially. We should get a good player at 21. I would love to move up, but I don’t like giving up what is necessary to do so. I will leave that up to Billy and Judd.

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    I just can't see us taking a LW. We're just so heavy at the position. In this draft, I don't think BPA is the best route to take because so much of the talent is on par with the others. Outside of the top 5, you can probably make a case for about 20 guys to be as good as each other. 

    I always liked the Spielman organizational model, where the board where his board took talent and position to factor into the BPA for the Vikings. And, that's just the thing, the BPA isn't for the hockey player, it's for the organization. For instance, for our organization, someone like Elias Lindholm probably is a better fit than JT Miller. 

    For me, centers are a premium for this organization this year. Now, to be fair, Honzek on some sites is listed as C/LW. Perhaps he's a tweener we can develop as a C, but we have a real organizational depth problem at the position.

    Now, in this piece, Tony makes the argument that we've experimented with the 3 forward concept and the jury is still out. Over the long haul of the regular season, I think this concept can work. However, when we face teams deep down the middle in the playoffs, it is obvious that it does not work there. We need more centers, and if they're like Ek, or Kopitar, that will do.

    Therefore, I think we really need to focus on centers. Picking up 2 of Moore, Danielson or Ritchie, I think, propels this franchise forward to a contender in 3 years. We've got the ammo to do it, now we just have to make the moves and draft the Cs.

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    On 6/23/2023 at 11:13 AM, TCMooch said:

    Draft BPA with highest upside. Done. Don’t over think it

     

     

    You keep doing that and we continue to have the issue this team has had from the start which was a lack of good quality centers.

    Centers are a much harder position to find so if there’s a C who’s reasonably similar in talent to the other positions available, you take the Center.

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    ^^^

    This is where I was a little confused about last Summer. I thought the WIld would take one of these two guys depending on who was left. Both guys were available and the Wild went with two wingers which surprised me. Who knows, I'm no draft guru but Beck has already got a crack at NHL hockey. Gaucher & Beck both have the perfect profile fitting the Wild's needs. Brackett weirds me out big-time. It makes no sense that he could've taken either guy at 19th. Coulda still got Beck at 24th if Yurov or Ohgren were gone. Bystedt, Kasper, and Kulich were players we thought might be there but two of those three went earlier.

    Gaucher went 22nd to Ahahiem.

    https://thehockeywriters.com/nathan-gaucher-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

    Beck went 33rd to MTL. The first center they took and first pick of the 2nd.

    https://thehockeywriters.com/owen-beck-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

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    3 hours ago, Protec said:

    ^^^

    This is where I was a little confused about last Summer. I thought the WIld would take one of these two guys depending on who was left. Both guys were available and the Wild went with two wingers which surprised me. Who knows, I'm no draft guru but Beck has already got a crack at NHL hockey. Gaucher & Beck both have the perfect profile fitting the Wild's needs. Brackett weirds me out big-time. It makes no sense that he could've taken either guy at 19th. Coulda still got Beck at 24th if Yurov or Ohgren were gone. Bystedt, Kasper, and Kulich were players we thought might be there but two of those three went earlier.

    Gaucher went 22nd to Ahahiem.

    https://thehockeywriters.com/nathan-gaucher-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

    Beck went 33rd to MTL. The first center they took and first pick of the 2nd.

    https://thehockeywriters.com/owen-beck-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

    Neither Gaucher or Beck had particularly impressive years last season. Both those guys are mid-floor/low-ceiling types. That's not really Brackett. 

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    I still say BPA but if you have a bunch of guys around the same internal ranking then obviously go by need.

    i just don’t want to reach at center if they have a winger rated much higher. It’s not a terrible thing to have a bunch of awesome prospects as then you can trade from a place of strength to get players or assets you need to fill needs.

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    Looks like the Wild will have about 16 million next season from players they dont need to resign , i suppose they could re sign Hartman and Foligno if they chose to .William Nylander could be a FA if Toronto dont extend him but they have a bunch of other guys to re sign and Mathews is due in a few years .   Maybe we could nab him with 7.5- 8 mill . throw 3 at hartman . Everyone else is set or on ELC' S   and then the 14 mill frees up the year after that.   Im probably overlooking something though ,

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    On 6/22/2023 at 12:28 PM, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Honzek is definitely a guy I think should be on their radar for a 1st round pick.

    Draft is less than a week away now, and it seems people move up and down draft boards pretty regularly, aside from the handful at the top. Honzek looks like a legit prospect that could help a team in a few years. We shall see if he goes top 20 or if he's available for the Wild.

    Calgary ended up drafting him, but there are still some good choices left on the board.

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    A lot of the guys I liked at #21 were selected before the Wild drafted.  At that point, I had hoped they could trade back with St. Louis and maybe get two 1st round picks instead of selecting someone at #21.

    I'd love it if the Wild got it right with their selection, but hard to believe based upon the numbers he posted. He has good size, speed, and shot. Hopefully Stramel can develop and become a top 20 player from this draft.

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