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  • Marco Rossi Is Showing Underlying Indicators Of Success


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    Tony Abbott

    Who cares about a handful of exhibition games?

    That was a reasonable question to ask back in February 2014. Up until then, Mikael Granlund had 73 games and over 1000 minutes of NHL duty with the Minnesota Wild. He had only seven goals and 31 points to show for it. Heralded as the Future of the Franchise, many wrote off the Finnish prospect as being an impact player. Then he dazzled for Team Finland at the 2014 Winter Olympics, scoring three goals and seven points in six games.

    It was a handful of exhibition games, sure, but it was a hint that Granlund had more to give. He started giving the Wild a better look at it immediately after returning. Counting playoffs, Granlund scored seven goals and 20 points over his final 30 games. He would reach nearly 70 points when he attained his final form with the Wild, undoubtedly an impact player.

    Marco Rossi and Granlund are skilled, short, European center prospects the Wild drafted No. 9 overall. Therefore, it's hard to resist a temptation to compare them. They're not the same player, of course. But Granlund used a handful of exhibition matches to springboard success, so that might be instructive as Rossi has (another) dominant preseason.

    At first, it would seem like Rossi isn't doing what the Wild are hoping him to do. After leading the NHL in preseason points last year, opponents have held Rossi off the scoresheet through two games. Bill Guerin and Dean Evason weren't discouraged by his defensive play last season; it was the one-point-in-16-game funk that put him out of the team's plans. So what do they have to say about Rossi after the pair of goose eggs?

    "Probably one of the best games we've seen [from him]," said Evason after his second preseason game against the Colorado Avalanche. They're seeing him as if he's a different player, and this quote came before a fall on Brandon Duhaime's skate gave him a wicked scar that makes him resemble a Frankenstein-ed Evgeni Malkin (that is a compliment, by the way).

    What's going on?

    For Rossi to impress the Wild, it's going to be as much about his process as his results. Right now, he's taking the initiative and dominating on the ice, even if it hasn't translated to points. The preseason has given Rossi nowhere to hide. He's only had any significant 5-on-5 time with Pat Maroon, Marcus Foligno, Jujhar Khaira, and Freddy Gaudreau. With all due respect, none of those players are big-time triggermen, and only Gaudreau can be considered a strong puck carrier. When it comes to generating offense, you're on your own, kid. What are you gonna do with it?

    The answer has been something like, Run the Offense Through My Damn Self. At 5-on-5 play, Rossi has nearly as many shots (five) as his four linemates combined (six, with five coming from Khaira). But again, it's not about what he's doing; it's how he's doing it. Rossi is leaving no doubt in anyone's mind how badly he wants things to go differently than last year.

    For a deeper look at this, we'll have to learn how Natural Stat Trick (where this preseason data comes from) tracks scoring chances. They judge them based on shot location, with anything within the lavender being a scoring chance, and in the aquamarine being a high-danger scoring chance (HDSC). Any attempt on the rush or a rebound will elevate a shot attempt to a scoring chance, and a scoring chance to an HDSC. 

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    Got it? Good. Through 21 minutes of 5-on-5 time, Rossi has eight shot attempts, with seven of them being scoring chances, and three of them being HDSCs. While preseason can present opportunities to torch non-NHL quality competition, thas hasn't been the case so far.

    Against the Colorado Avalanche, Rossi played heavy minutes against Brad Hunt, Ben Meyers, and Joel Kiviranta. Perhaps not the strongest competition, but all three are NHLers. The Dallas Stars put him against Evgenii Dadonov, Jamie Benn, Esa Lindell, Jason Robertson, Matt Duchene, Miro Heiskanen, and Joe Pavelski for two minutes or more, each. Rossi's faced very few cupcakes.

    Despite that, he's on top of the NHL again. But instead of points, in underlying indicators of success. There have been 23 scoring chances when Rossi's been on the ice at 5-on-5; 20 of them belong to the Wild. Among 483 forwards with 20 or more 5-on-5 minutes this preseason, he's second in on-ice scoring chance rate, 12th in allowing scoring chances, and sixth in generating scoring chances off his own stick.

    This isn't a fluke, either. It looks like a massive step forward for the rookie, and in some ways, it is. But Rossi was no slouch in underlying numbers last season.

    In total, Rossi's played 85 5-on-5 minutes in the past two preseasons, or seven games. There are 280 forwards who have played an hour of time or more in that span.

    Here's where he ranks among this group in various categories:

    Points/60: 21st (3.50)
    Scoring Chances/60: 19th (11.2)
    Penalties Drawn/60: 22nd (2.80)
    Expected Goals For/60: Sixth (4.04)
    Expected Goals Against/60: Fourth (tied, 1.26)
    Expected Goals Share: First (76.3%)

    Like last season, Rossi is balling out in the preseason. But unlike the previous year, he's doing it in a way that is opening his coaches' eyes and perhaps even earning their trust. It's hard to worry about the scoring through two games -- when chances come this often, goals often follow.

    For a player who struggled to get going in regular season action, preseason Rossi is clearly the two-way, top-line caliber center the Wild drafted him to be. Who cares about seven exhibition games? Maybe we all should.

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    ,When he starts producing stats like that in regular season games he will have my attention and support to stay over say a Walker at IA.

    Thx Tony for your words, but it seems like ground hog day with Rossi. We'll all wait and see.

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    52 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

    ,When he starts producing stats like that in regular season games he will have my attention and support to stay over say a Walker at IA.

    Thx Tony for your words, but it seems like ground hog day with Rossi. We'll all wait and see.

    I am getting the feeling that he is coming up on his last shot.  I think it will be important to not just box score follow based on his line mates. Much like if he was top line getting points but just a passenger. If he is driving play but points aren't coming that I think shows a lot more than just dishes to Kap before he puts on a show and scores.

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    38 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

    I am getting the feeling that he is coming up on his last shot.  I think it will be important to not just box score follow based on his line mates. Much like if he was top line getting points but just a passenger. If he is driving play but points aren't coming that I think shows a lot more than just dishes to Kap before he puts on a show and scores.

    Well I'm not ready to give him away yet, but his time is now with next year's talent.

    It may be he produces better in another system or different coaching philosophy.  

    He's young yet, so we need to be sure.  He's got two more years before his RFA is here. Perfect timing, as our prospects come in to see who gives us a better chance for a smaller center, Rossi,  Dino, Haight, or Heidt.

    No rush for us if it still doesn't work out THIS year and Rossi sees his shadow, that being the (shadow) names above.

     

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    I think we need to have realistic expectations about him ,  mine are he needs to to keep progressing at whatever rate that is but at the same time i dont expect him to leap frog Kaprizov , Ekk , Boldy but he needs to start approaching some of the other guys and hopefully  start catching up to the above mentioned .

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    54 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    I'm really optimistic about Rossi.  Anyone who puts on 15 lbs in the offseason is all in.

    WDN, I like the fact that he has put on 15# and we really haven't seen it impact his game from a speed, quickness or agility factor. If someone tries to rub him off the puck or into the boards that too hasn't been glaring.

    That in itself is on factor that has me leaning the way that he may finally climb the hill and be impactful.

    Key is no pressure, as he has in past gripped the stick a little hard up here than in IA.

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    2 hours ago, vonlonster67 said:

    WDN, I like the fact that he has put on 15# and we really haven't seen it impact his game from a speed, quickness or agility factor. If someone tries to rub him off the puck or into the boards that too hasn't been glaring.

    That in itself is on factor that has me leaning the way that he may finally climb the hill and be impactful.

    Key is no pressure, as he has in past gripped the stick a little hard up here than in IA.

    Hopefully we will get a clear picture tonight against the Hawks. The Wild are playing pretty much their starting roster and i assume Chicago will do the same.

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    For me, I think this shows just how much the myocarditis took from him. With him gaining 15 lbs., to me, that shows me that his mind has healed from the scare. I am told he came in last season around 175. I wonder what he came in the year before? 

    Shutting everything down for a prolonged time has you lose muscle and strength pretty rapidly. I sticking with my thought that it was the myocarditis that took so much away from him that he just wasn't ready to compete at the NHL level. His jr. highlights never matched up to what we saw, even through about 3/4 of the season last year. 

    I, personally, think he can fill out a little bit more as he strengthens himself. It will translate into being a low, solid point of leverage. I don't expect him to bodycheck much, but when he does, he won't just get tossed around.

    I sure hope Addy was right along with him in the strength work (but somehow I doubt it).

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    After seeing Rossi play in the preseason game, I feel much more confident he's ready to take the next step. He's forechecking tenaciously, getting in the dirty areas and showing some of that signature grit. Both goals he was involved in, the first he had the screen in front of the net and the second he dislodged the puck behind the net to make a beautiful play to Maroon. Keep it up Rossi, you're on the right path!

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    7 hours ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    After seeing Rossi play in the preseason game, I feel much more confident he's ready to take the next step. He's forechecking tenaciously, getting in the dirty areas and showing some of that signature grit. Both goals he was involved in, the first he had the screen in front of the net and the second he dislodged the puck behind the net to make a beautiful play to Maroon. Keep it up Rossi, you're on the right path!

    I, too have seen some of his game rise to expectation. He didn't look out of place or hesitant on plays in last night's game. The thing is, it's only one pre-season game that I was able to watch but he did look good to me. Not the most prolific scoring linemates to play with but did make the most out it with Maroon. So yeah, I agree that he has taken a good step forward and hope he continues!

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    Yeah, I thought Rossi looked good last night.  Definitely had a part in both goals.  Hopefully it transfers to the regular season this year.  

    Power play looked a lot more active at times, but kind of same results.  The first unit looked better at entering the zone than last year.  Hopefully that continues to progress through the season too.

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    24 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Beautiful play by Rossi in the 3rd.  A solid game for him last night.  He seems to be fitting in better.

    He looked comfortable out there, not pressing, letting the game flow come to him and using his talents to respond.

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    It was unfortunate that there were so many PP/PK episodes that Rossi's TOI got truncated. He looked so much better than he had last year. If Hartzy gets hurt again i don't think we will be seeing 1C's like Steel again.

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    On 10/5/2023 at 12:13 PM, IllicitFive said:

    I am getting the feeling that he is coming up on his last shot. 

    Rossi missed a year of development due to myocarditis, he was in really bad shape at the time and was worried he was going to die

    You figure he’s on his last shot after 22 games?

    He’s excelled at every level of hockey.

    After 3 seasons, Joel Eriksson Ek had 37pts through his first 148 games

    After 5 seasons he had 240 games and 96 points.

    He didn’t break out till his 6th season where he had 49pts

    Nino Niederreiter had 3pts in his first 64 games as a winger.

    Hopefully that puts things into perspective.

     

    It’s extremely irresponsible and shortsighted to give up on a player after basically 1 season and some change.

    Marco Rossi deserves the same type of patience as any other player. He should be able to take his time to develop, get use to the nhl and learn from his mistakes.

    The fact that we need a center now isnt Rossi’s problem, it’s management’s.

     

     

     

     

     

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    On 10/5/2023 at 11:18 AM, vonlonster67 said:

    ,When he starts producing stats like that in regular season games he will have my attention and support to stay over say a Walker at IA.

    Thx Tony for your words, but it seems like ground hog day with Rossi. We'll all wait and see.

    Sammy Walker is 24 years old.

    Walker had 48pts in the Ahl and Rossi had 51pts as a 22 year old..

    So Rossi is out performing Walker even though he has 2 years of development over him and even missed a year from myocarditis.

    He seems to be constantly improving and developing at a solid rate.

    Doesn’t sound like the groundhogs day comment is applicable.

    I do think Walker deserves a shot though, he’s been playing really well.

     

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    20 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    Sammy Walker is 24 years old.

    Walker had 48pts in the Ahl and Rossi had 51pts as a 22 year old..

    So Rossi is out performing Walker even though he has 2 years of development over him and even missed a year from myocarditis.

    He seems to be constantly improving and developing at a solid rate.

    Doesn’t sound like the groundhogs day comment is applicable.

    I do think Walker deserves a shot though, he’s been playing really well.

     

    We can hope, Walker didn't look lost on his time on ice last year. It's not the regular season yet! 

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    The Wild have three or four good options between Rossi, Walker, Beckman, and Khaira. Variety can help them fit guys in depending on the need. Rossi beginning to make an impact in the NHL would be great for his confidence and trajectory.

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    19 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

    Rossi missed a year of development due to myocarditis, he was in really bad shape at the time and was worried he was going to die

    You figure he’s on his last shot after 22 games?

    He’s excelled at every level of hockey.

    After 3 seasons, Joel Eriksson Ek had 37pts through his first 148 games

    After 5 seasons he had 240 games and 96 points.

    He didn’t break out till his 6th season where he had 49pts

    Nino Niederreiter had 3pts in his first 64 games as a winger.

    Hopefully that puts things into perspective.

     

    It’s extremely irresponsible and shortsighted to give up on a player after basically 1 season and some change.

    Marco Rossi deserves the same type of patience as any other player. He should be able to take his time to develop, get use to the nhl and learn from his mistakes.

    The fact that we need a center now isnt Rossi’s problem, it’s management’s.

     

     

     

     

     

    If the incoming prospects are as advertised and pass him up should they have to sit wait and see? There are a limited number of slots on the team, if other prospects show out better it would be extremely irresponsible and short sighted to not give them his supposed spot. I hope Rossi comes in and blows up but if he doesn't and others do. The yes he may be running out of time. 

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