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  • It's Starting To Feel Like 2023 Again For the Minnesota Wild


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    Tom Schreier

    In an interview with The Athletic, Dean Evason revealed how emotional he and Bill Guerin got when Guerin fired him in 2023. Evason said he walked into Guerin’s office and immediately knew why Guerin had summoned him. 

    “Are you firing me, bud?” Evason said he asked Guerin. 

    “He said, ‘Yeah,’ and he stood up, came around the desk, and we hugged, and he just started crying,” Evason said. “And so did I. I said, ‘Billy, I didn’t expect it to happen, but I’m so grateful and so honored to have the opportunity,’ and I thanked him.”

    It had to be a tough conversation for Guerin. In 2018, Paul Fenton hired Dean Evason as an assistant on Bruce Boudreau’s staff. However, Guerin fired Boudreau in 2020 and elevated Evason. Still, Fenton hired Evason, and Guerin had a closer connection with John Hynes, the coach he hired as his replacement.

    “This is the business. We weren’t winning. I got fired,” said Evason. “Billy felt we needed a spark. Do I think we could have sparked another way? Yeah. But we’ve tried a lot of ways, right? And that’s what you do. You try to spark.”

    The Wild had a 3-5-2 record through 10 games in 2023. They have a 3-5-2 record through 10 games this season. Guerin fired Evason after Minnesota’s 4-1 loss to the Detroit Red Wings on November 26, its seventh in a row. 

    Thanksgiving was on November 23 that year, and we typically know which teams will make the playoffs by then. The Wild went 34-24-5 under Hynes, a .579 winning percentage. However, they still finished sixth in the Central Division and missed the playoffs.

    Two years later, the Wild are off to a similar start. They lost their 11th game to the Winnipeg Jets in overtime this year; in 2023, they won their 11th game over the New York Rangers in a shootout. Minnesota beat the New York Islanders in its next game, then lost seven straight, costing Evason his job.

    If a collapse is imminent, Guerin can’t put off a challenging conversation with Hynes.

    It had become evident that the Wild needed a coaching change after Peter DeBoer out-coached Evason with the Vegas Golden Knights and Dallas Stars in the playoffs. St. Louis Blues bench boss Craig Berube had also out-schemed Evason in 2022. 

    Evason alone isn’t culpable for the Wild losing in the first round in eight of the past ten years. As Guerin will gladly remind you, the problem predates his run. He just hasn’t done anything to change it since Minnesota hired him in 2019.

    Still, Guerin put off a difficult conversation with Evason after the 2023 playoffs, and it cost the Wild the 2023-24 season. 

    He can’t afford to make the same mistake again.

    Minnesota may snap out of its early-season funk. However, the Wild have given up the first goal in five consecutive games, and seven of their past eight. Winnipeg has beaten them in nine straight games, and the Dallas Stars have a 15-game point streak against them (10-0-5). Minnesota has lost four straight division games since beating the Blues on opening night. The Wild are seventh in the Central Division, one spot ahead of St. Louis.

    The Wild are a lousy team, and they can’t blame the league’s cap penalties anymore.

    Guerin must act fast if the Wild start to collapse. Peter DeBoer is one of the few difference-making coaches in the league. Minnesota can’t simultaneously miss out on the coach who kept beating them in the first round and suffer a lost season.

    Otherwise, Guerin must double down on Hynes. That means riding out a collapse and committing to Minnesota’s young players. Forget the playoffs, lean into upside. More Liam Ohgren and David Jiricek; less Marcus Johansson and Zach Bogosian.

    It’s what the Wild should have been doing during cap hell, when they had no chance of winning in the playoffs. Instead, they leaned on veterans to squeeze wins out of a shorthanded team just to say they got to the postseason, at the expense of player development. Now they’re paying the price as they try to ingest multiple young players into crucial roles.

    If Guerin chooses to fire Hynes, it will be a harder conversation than with Evason. Guerin inherited Evason; Hynes is his buddy. Hynes is also on his third job, and his teams have never finished higher than fourth in their division. The Columbus Blue Jackets hired Evason. The Wild might be Hynes’s last head coaching job.

    Minnesota is off to a familiar start because it refuses to change. Guerin has been the GM since 2019, and the Wild promoted him to president after they lost in the playoffs. They still lean on players past their prime and struggle to integrate prospects into the NHL. 

    The Wild remain in a vicious cycle because they keep doing the same thing while expecting a different result. At some point, they need to embrace change.

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    I just had a look at the team stats.  Every player is a minus player (no surprise) but Spurgeon is the worst at -12, and Foligno is second at -10.   I am not sure how much Spurgeon might be on the PK and that being a contributing factor.

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    14 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

    So, you can't have playoff hockey for 20 out of 25 years without having bottom of the first round picks.

    See Detroit's playoff run (with a couple of championships sprinkled in), and now.

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    8 minutes ago, Dis-allowed display name said:

    I am not sure how much Spurgeon might be on the PK and that being a contributing factor.

    That doesn't give you a -. Only even strength or PP gives you a -. However, I do believe ENG also will give you a -.

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    Now let's look at our vets and their clauses: Note-Remember there is a cap floor

    • Of the forwards, I would certainly keep the top paid guys, Kaprizov, Boldy, Ek, Rossi
    • Tarasenko-8 team trade list
    • Zuccarello- NMC
    • Foligno-NMC, I think he would go to a playoff contender
    • Hartman-15 team NTC
    • Trenin-No clause
    • Johansson-No clause listed (he might have a handshake deal)
    • Pitlick, Jones, Hinostroza-No clause
    • Of the defense, I'd certainly keep most, Faber, Buium, Jiricek, Middleton, Brodin
    • Hunt-can't move or goes back to CBJ
    • Spurgeon-10 team NTC
    • Brodin-No clause

    Goalies are fine

    What I would recommend is if we send off any of these guys in sell mode, we try to regain higher rated prospects instead of draft picks. Guys drafted in '20-22 that aren't established yet but go along with our draft window of players. They would be further along.

    $70.6m is the cap floor. We're eating a lot of it up right now, but letting some players with term go to other teams really opens up some space for us later. Plus, we can always trade for an LTIR guy to take up cap space.

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    If you have any market for Trenin or Foligno, they have to go because they have too many years left on their deals.

    I would even entertain a decent offer for Gus and move on to Wally.   

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    46 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Can the team poach an already employed coach currently with a team? I think that is extremely doubtful.

    A mid-season hynzy replacement (which i think is low probability) would most likely be a promotion for Cronin IMO.  No new expenses to the payroll besides Cronin's raise, while OCL pays Hynze thru next season.

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    1 minute ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    A mid-season hynzy replacement (which i think is low probability) would most likely be a promotion for Cronin IMO.  No new expenses to the payroll besides Cronin's raise, while OCL pays Hynze thru next season.

    Just to say that happens, what becomes of the kids in Iowa? Are they robbed of another developmental season with nobody really to coach them? Why not just elevate Capuano?

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    1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Are they robbed of another developmental season with nobody really to coach them?

    They'll never miss what they never had.  Seriously though, any stiff they bring in is at worst a lateral from what been happening in IA during bill's tenure

     

    2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Why not just elevate Capuano?

    This is hynzy and bill's handpicked guy to fix the PK?  You want this fucking guy in charge?

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    14 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    This is hynzy and bill's handpicked guy to fix the PK?  You want this fucking guy in charge?

    Interim HC on a team that's going nowhere? Best chance to get a lottery pick!

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    Trenin has got to go. 3.5 million per year? Seriously. In the last 5 games I have watched him whiff on at least 8 shot attempts (completely miss hitting the puck) and like 3 games ago he even missed the net by 5+ feet. Is he drunk? Or is he that bad?

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    33 minutes ago, Fortis said:

    Is he drunk? Or is he that bad?

    I'd rather find out that he's been playing drunk.  Again, who's pre-scouting these players before we're offering contracts?  But P-O'lantern, he was a serviceable big body during those 6 playoff games...that makes Trenin even more frustrating because he's proven he's not capable of a hockey play so for him to contribute anything he needs to put in some effort thru hustle and he's not doing that now either. 

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    9 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    See Detroit's playoff run (with a couple of championships sprinkled in), and now.

    Detroit had the cheat code of half the Red Army team being on the roster.  But yeah, they have missed the playoffs a lot and have been drafting in the top 10 over those years and their future is way brighter than the mid twenty draft picks Minnesota has had for the past 20 years. 

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    15 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

    Detroit had the cheat code of half the Red Army team being on the roster.  But yeah, they have missed the playoffs a lot and have been drafting in the top 10 over those years and their future is way brighter than the mid twenty draft picks Minnesota has had for the past 20 years.

    That's not really the point. The point is that over Detroit's playoff years, they were not able to restock the cupboard. Sure, they found some good players, but look at how long their playoff drought has been.

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    25 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    Billy bet on every player repeating their 21-22 season performances. 👎🏾 BUZZ! Wrong answer. And most of them are locked into NMC/NTCs. 

    This is true, but it's not impossible to trade them, you just need their permission. The thing he did do was make the M-NTCs at the end of the contracts. Really, those guys are probably making market price right now, or, perhaps with Kapflation, they might be value guys. But even with value guys, ELCs still beat that!

     

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    32 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    This is true, but it's not impossible to trade them, you just need their permission. The thing he did do was make the M-NTCs at the end of the contracts. Really, those guys are probably making market price right now, or, perhaps with Kapflation, they might be value guys. But even with value guys, ELCs still beat that!

     

    Great points of clarity and detail. They aren't impossible to move (trade) it's just more restrictive, obviously, thus making them worth less due to the more limited trade partners.

    BTW: "Kapflation" 😂😂😂😂😂

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    Perfect example of why you should never hire your buddies. Did both Billy and John think that the day would never come? Did they honestly believe they were going to take this team to the cup and ride off into the sunset? Hynes was a horrible hire, he wasn't the best man for the job, not even close. He's just one of Billy's beer drinking buddies.

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    Minnesota is off to a familiar start because it refuses to change. Guerin has been the GM since 2019, and the Wild promoted him to president after they lost in the playoffs. They still lean on players past their prime and struggle to integrate prospects into the NHL. 

    The Wild remain in a vicious cycle because they keep doing the same thing while expecting a different result. At some point, they need to embrace change.

    This sums up the Wild and how poorly managed this team is from the very top. Leipold is a horrible judge of character and has yet to make a good hire. He hired a name, not a competent general manager. Billy has done what was asked of him, "just make the playoffs every year". While that task isn't easy, it's a lot easier than building a championship team. All of this teams' woes are self inflicted, mostly by Billy himself. He is NOT qualified or smart enough to run an NHL franchise. His multiple five year plans are failures. He has failed to lift this team any higher than it was. It's actually worse off than before he was hired. This is supposed to be the payoff season and look what he's built....failure. There is no magic wand or shining knight that's going to propel this team into the second round of the playoffs this season. That is the bare minimum for this team after cap hell, shackles off, Christmas morning promises.

    Both Billy and John need to go and Leipold needs to let someone else run the franchise and make the hiring decisions. It's the ONLY way this team moves forward and upward.

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    18 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I couldn't find how to put in the trademark sign.

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