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    In an interview with The Athletic, Dean Evason revealed how emotional he and Bill Guerin got when Guerin fired him in 2023. Evason said he walked into Guerin’s office and immediately knew why Guerin had summoned him. 

    “Are you firing me, bud?” Evason said he asked Guerin. 

    “He said, ‘Yeah,’ and he stood up, came around the desk, and we hugged, and he just started crying,” Evason said. “And so did I. I said, ‘Billy, I didn’t expect it to happen, but I’m so grateful and so honored to have the opportunity,’ and I thanked him.”

    It had to be a tough conversation for Guerin. In 2018, Paul Fenton hired Dean Evason as an assistant on Bruce Boudreau’s staff. However, Guerin fired Boudreau in 2020 and elevated Evason. Still, Fenton hired Evason, and Guerin had a closer connection with John Hynes, the coach he hired as his replacement.

    “This is the business. We weren’t winning. I got fired,” said Evason. “Billy felt we needed a spark. Do I think we could have sparked another way? Yeah. But we’ve tried a lot of ways, right? And that’s what you do. You try to spark.”

    The Wild had a 3-5-2 record through 10 games in 2023. They have a 3-5-2 record through 10 games this season. Guerin fired Evason after Minnesota’s 4-1 loss to the Detroit Red Wings on November 26, its seventh in a row. 

    Thanksgiving was on November 23 that year, and we typically know which teams will make the playoffs by then. The Wild went 34-24-5 under Hynes, a .579 winning percentage. However, they still finished sixth in the Central Division and missed the playoffs.

    Two years later, the Wild are off to a similar start. They lost their 11th game to the Winnipeg Jets in overtime this year; in 2023, they won their 11th game over the New York Rangers in a shootout. Minnesota beat the New York Islanders in its next game, then lost seven straight, costing Evason his job.

    If a collapse is imminent, Guerin can’t put off a challenging conversation with Hynes.

    It had become evident that the Wild needed a coaching change after Peter DeBoer out-coached Evason with the Vegas Golden Knights and Dallas Stars in the playoffs. St. Louis Blues bench boss Craig Berube had also out-schemed Evason in 2022. 

    Evason alone isn’t culpable for the Wild losing in the first round in eight of the past ten years. As Guerin will gladly remind you, the problem predates his run. He just hasn’t done anything to change it since Minnesota hired him in 2019.

    Still, Guerin put off a difficult conversation with Evason after the 2023 playoffs, and it cost the Wild the 2023-24 season. 

    He can’t afford to make the same mistake again.

    Minnesota may snap out of its early-season funk. However, the Wild have given up the first goal in five consecutive games, and seven of their past eight. Winnipeg has beaten them in nine straight games, and the Dallas Stars have a 15-game point streak against them (10-0-5). Minnesota has lost four straight division games since beating the Blues on opening night. The Wild are seventh in the Central Division, one spot ahead of St. Louis.

    The Wild are a lousy team, and they can’t blame the league’s cap penalties anymore.

    Guerin must act fast if the Wild start to collapse. Peter DeBoer is one of the few difference-making coaches in the league. Minnesota can’t simultaneously miss out on the coach who kept beating them in the first round and suffer a lost season.

    Otherwise, Guerin must double down on Hynes. That means riding out a collapse and committing to Minnesota’s young players. Forget the playoffs, lean into upside. More Liam Ohgren and David Jiricek; less Marcus Johansson and Zach Bogosian.

    It’s what the Wild should have been doing during cap hell, when they had no chance of winning in the playoffs. Instead, they leaned on veterans to squeeze wins out of a shorthanded team just to say they got to the postseason, at the expense of player development. Now they’re paying the price as they try to ingest multiple young players into crucial roles.

    If Guerin chooses to fire Hynes, it will be a harder conversation than with Evason. Guerin inherited Evason; Hynes is his buddy. Hynes is also on his third job, and his teams have never finished higher than fourth in their division. The Columbus Blue Jackets hired Evason. The Wild might be Hynes’s last head coaching job.

    Minnesota is off to a familiar start because it refuses to change. Guerin has been the GM since 2019, and the Wild promoted him to president after they lost in the playoffs. They still lean on players past their prime and struggle to integrate prospects into the NHL. 

    The Wild remain in a vicious cycle because they keep doing the same thing while expecting a different result. At some point, they need to embrace change.

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    I have no inside track on what is happening in the locker room.  They definitely seem defeated... even before games start.  Then once that first goal goes in  against us you can see the shoulders drop.  We are playing a very undisciplined game.   Somebody on that team needs to read the room and figure out the change.

    A serious sit down with OCL, BG and Hynes does need to occur.  Try and make a run or play the young guys and see who steps up.  You can't win trying to do both.  IMO:  We won't win the cup with the Vets.  So why not go young and let them learn.

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    33 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    They definitely seem defeated... even before games start.  Then once that first goal goes in  against us you can see the shoulders drop.  We are playing a very undisciplined game.   Somebody on that team needs to read the room and figure out the change.

    A serious sit down with OCL, BG and Hynes does need to occur.  Try and make a run or play the young guys and see who steps up.  You can't win trying to do both.  IMO:  We won't win the cup with the Vets.  So why not go young and let them learn.

    That's not at all what I saw in the last 2 games, aside from the undisciplined play. They've been fighting hard the last 4 periods, at least. I'm not saying the results aren't concerning, but the effort and fight has been there.

    The goalies haven't rescued them from the mistakes as readily this season, and Kaprizov has made a lot of them. He has done it in prior years to some extent, but perhaps the players around were more easily able to cover up those mistakes in other seasons.

    I need to see how they finish this homestand before suggesting that the team, who is mostly constructed of players that were pushing for best record in hockey last season, is considered done for the year--not even 20% into the season. I know it could get away from them if they don't start getting 2-point nights a lot more frequently, but even very good teams can go through periods of play like these last 10.

    Zuccarello's return isn't far away and could spark some more productive play, along with some young guys finding their way.

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    14 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Zuccarello's return isn't far away and could spark some more productive play, along with some young guys finding their way.

    Playing Kaprisov 27 and Yurov less than 7 is not SMART coaching

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    6 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

    Playing Kaprisov 27 and Yurov less than 7 is not SMART coaching

    Playing 97 that many minutes and we’re still losing games to teams like The Sharks 🦈 means the bottom nine on this team is below nhl average.  Let’s not spend the next 70 games debating this point and accept our reality.  Firing Hynes, bill or Brackett won’t change any of that for this season.  Start with Brackett though.  That’ll improve our fate for future seasons.  

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    10 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Playing 97 that many minutes and we’re still losing games to teams like The Sharks 🦈 means the bottom nine on this team is below nhl

    No it's just means that headcoach does shift management in "I need to save my a.. mode" . 

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    That's not at all what I saw in the last 2 games, aside from the undisciplined play. They've been fighting hard the last 4 periods, at least. I'm not saying the results aren't concerning, but the effort and fight has been there.

    The goalies haven't rescued them from the mistakes as readily this season, and Kaprizov has made a lot of them. He has done it in prior years to some extent, but perhaps the players around were more easily able to cover up those mistakes in other seasons.

    I need to see how they finish this homestand before suggesting that the team, who is mostly constructed of players that were pushing for best record in hockey last season, is considered done for the year--not even 20% into the season. I know it could get away from them if they don't start getting 2-point nights a lot more frequently, but even very good teams can go through periods of play like these last 10.

    Zuccarello's return isn't far away and could spark some more productive play, along with some young guys finding their way.

    Teams in the lead have a tendency to pull the foot off the pedal as well.  Playing from behind and shooting from everywhere can be deceiving to the eye test.  But what I see is that when we do tie it up or come within a goal the other team can step on the pedal a bit and usually gets rewarded quickly.  That to me suggests that teams are letting up more than we are playing better.... and/or the d-zone is just that bad.

    I will agree that our goalies haven't been stealing any games....except maybe the first one.  Zuc will definitely help.  He sure is a smart player.

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    . For 25 years we’ve had the same problem. No franchise #1 center.  Every knuckle head gm we’ve had hasn’t delivered one. It was a problem before Billy and still is. Look at the central or any playoff caliber team. They have a franchise #1 center . Now in the central we have bedard , Cooley , McKinnon , hintz , schiefle. Ya my spelling sucks. Rossi isn’t on there level and that’s just the central.  Building from the outside in with wingers over centers is stupid. , hasn’t and doesn’t work. Now we have all our money in wingers and little money for a true #1 center.  We aren’t going to draft one with our mid picks . We don’t have one in the system. Yurov would be showing more offense and tenacity iig he was one. He will be legit but not at the # 1 center spot going against the franchise centers in league . Hockey is still a physical sport so not having strength or quality down the middle is a ridiculous way to build a team. Centers can get moved to wing. Wingers don’t typically make good franchise centers. Hartman.  We have to get a center to salvage the stupid contract we are tied to for the next decade. Adding more overpriced wingers isn’t the answer. We also need alphas on this team. Enough of these betas with there creative excuses 

       

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    The team showed in the last two games that they have the skill to stay in games, despite their very shit defense or defensive structure.

    The problem isn't the team hasn't stopped listening to Hynes. If they did, they'd be playing even worse...somehow.

    The team itself is not going to tank, "on purpose.". Guerin will have to decide whether to make some monster trade (of what elite players AREN'T re-signing daily at this point), or make the choice to punt this year for them.

    The team in 2023 suffered injury after injury and goalie dysfunction and still on my managed 13th.  They lucked into Buium by Philly doing them a favor at the draft.  

    This team is not a new coach bump away.  They aren't playing Ohgren or Yurov more minutes away.  They have at most 6-8 untouchable players, a few "they might be good years from now" players, and then a lot of "well, they are good...in theory" players.  They also have a player who used to be Vladimir Tarasenko...

    If he ditches players for picks or a wholesale different style of player base in return, that will be the sign.  Guerin has to choose what route to go.  As bad as this team is, it has proven it won't just completely fail on its own.

     

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    2 hours ago, Dean said:

    . For 25 years we’ve had the same problem. No franchise #1 center.  Every knuckle head gm we’ve had hasn’t delivered one. It was a problem before Billy and still is. Look at the central or any playoff caliber team. They have a franchise #1 center . Now in the central we have bedard , Cooley , McKinnon , hintz , schiefle. Ya my spelling sucks. Rossi isn’t on there level and that’s just the central.  Building from the outside in with wingers over centers is stupid. , hasn’t and doesn’t work. Now we have all our money in wingers and little money for a true #1 center.  We aren’t going to draft one with our mid picks . We don’t have one in the system. Yurov would be showing more offense and tenacity iig he was one. He will be legit but not at the # 1 center spot going against the franchise centers in league . Hockey is still a physical sport so not having strength or quality down the middle is a ridiculous way to build a team. Centers can get moved to wing. Wingers don’t typically make good franchise centers. Hartman.  We have to get a center to salvage the stupid contract we are tied to for the next decade. Adding more overpriced wingers isn’t the answer. We also need alphas on this team. Enough of these betas with there creative excuses 

       

    There is a lot of truth with this.  The Wild need an elite center.  However, you would be the first on to say that the team needs to make a big trade to make the playoffs if they decide to tank for the first overall pick.  You point out that other teams have great centers, the reason that they do have great centers is because they tanked often to get them.  

    So, you can't have playoff hockey for 20 out of 25 years without having bottom of the first round picks.  

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    So, if this is another version of the team quitting on a head coach there has to be a major change in the players.  If they make a coaching change and the team rallies behind that change BG needs to trade a lot of veterans. 

    It isn't the coach, the team is more than good enough to make the playoffs. This well we can suck now and get a coach that we like attitude is not a cup contender.  

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    Another embarrassing loss tonight. KK is playing like a Russian who just signed a massive contract...no heart, no effort.  This team is cooked.  The only hope for the next 5 years is that Buium is the next Makar and Boldy continues to develop. We have all collectively WAY overated KK because he was 25 when he came over.  We have seen his best. Unfortunately we paid him like he will continue to develop. That's not a winning formula. Having a mediocre coach who is buddies with management obviously doesn't help but we ALL know Hynes sucks. Everyone in the NHL knows that.

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    I went to the Wild game tonight vs the Penguins, and the Wild played well periods 1-2, but then fell apart in period 3. I guess poor play goes along with overpriced concessions and poor beer selection.

    Every year, the beer selection gets more limited and more expensive. I didn't go to any games last year, but I remember when the X used to offer some decent beer choices like Alaskan Amber. The only decent ones I saw tonight were Goose Island and maybe Kona Big Wave for like $15.

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    11 hours ago, Dean said:

    We have to get a center to salvage the stupid contract we are tied to for the next decade. Adding more overpriced wingers isn’t the answer.

    Thank  you for that .

    But Rossi is not the one to blame . He is only 11 games away from his ELC and does play at point per game pace . So that are rocksolid 2C numbers 

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    The Wild really need to move on from Coach Hynes. He is completely ineffective. His line combinations and matchups are ridiculous - ex. putting Rossi on the 4th line in last year’s playoffs and having Johansson on the first line now, sending Ohgren to Iowa and playing Pitlick instead. His systems cause too many turnovers and inability to consistently gain the offensive zone on the power play. Even his intermission talks are uninspired and meaningless cliches of hockey terms such as “get pucks deep”, “get pucks to the net”, “get the puck through the neutral zone” - yeah I think pro hockey players know all that already.

    Get DeBoer while he’s available.

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    9 hours ago, goenzoy said:

    Johansson did play well for his league minimum contract 

    FIRST stop 2025 for team 

    Get a proper coach 

    Sure, he fits the "get what you pay for" adage perfectly. It's just that he's a donut spare tire: does the job expected but doesn't perform like the real thing.

    I'd much rather take the lumps of having younger players playing his role/minutes because we're losing with him playing the role/minutes he's playing anyway.

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    17 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I have no inside track on what is happening in the locker room.  They definitely seem defeated... even before games start.  Then once that first goal goes in  against us you can see the shoulders drop.  We are playing a very undisciplined game.   Somebody on that team needs to read the room and figure out the change.

    A serious sit down with OCL, BG and Hynes does need to occur.  Try and make a run or play the young guys and see who steps up.  You can't win trying to do both.  IMO:  We won't win the cup with the Vets.  So why not go young and let them learn.

    Billy let too many vets get comfortable. The no trade/move clauses are coming to roost. Gotta jettison Pitlik, Trenin, Hinostroza and Terasenko ASAP. They are barely playing at an AHL level of quality. I think Foligno is hurt again. Maybe get something for him in a trade?

    This team is acting like they are members of a country club again. This time everyone is a member, not just Suter and Parise.

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    17 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Get comfortable Wild faithful. You’re going to have to read alot more articles like this before any Wild org. changes get made

    Pete!

    Pete!

    Pete!

    Pete!

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    He won't phuck around with players. Maybe even get something from the youngsters on the ice.

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    17 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Playing 97 that many minutes and we’re still losing games to teams like The Sharks 🦈 means the bottom nine on this team is below nhl average.  Let’s not spend the next 70 games debating this point and accept our reality.  Firing Hynes, bill or Brackett won’t change any of that for this season.  Start with Brackett though.  That’ll improve our fate for future seasons.

    We did things differently this time around. Instead of rushing the kids up to play like Fletcher did with the 2010 kids, we marinated them, we kept them out of sight and didn't insert them to learn up here. They were dispersed around many places, college, SHL, KHL. What is the result? Pretty much the same. The kids have underwhelmed.

    This has no baring on how they will turn out. It's a statement that the transition to the NHL seems to be very static and firm: There is a learning curve in this league from wherever you come. Perhaps Guerin shouldn't have promised the competitive teams during the buyout era? Perhaps the Wild shouldn't have looked at value vets, but should have played more of the kids and developed them here? 

    But here's what we needed to learn: Was this method of Guerin's better than Fletcher's? So far, my conclusion is that it was not. Ohgren can't keep a spot, Yurov hasn't started producing points, Buium has but has a Halloween type of defense...scary, Jiricek too except we haven't seen the offense yet, and The Wall has been, well, a rookie goalie. He's had a couple of fluky plays dictate OT losses. 

    This is just the 1st dozen games, however. Could they get better faster? Faster than Fletcher's bunch? Well, if the season keeps going this way, we won't be on the bubble needing a vet star to come in to get us over the hump. Pominville did that, but we paid the price a couple of seasons later. If things keep going this way, we could still get a vet but it will be for the long haul, not a rental. Taking a flyer on a vet with disappointing production and term might not be the worst thing, especially if the team he's traded from retains. 

    Is this Judd's fault? Is this Iowa's fault? Is this a combination of both? Is there enough cohesion in the front office? I think fault goes all across the board. There does not seem to be cohesion in the front office, and I do think we are understaffed there. This would be my reasoning for relieving Hynes of his duties but keeping him in the front office. 

    Pete DeBoer seems to be on everyone's list right now. However, he is still under contract to do....nothing, for the year by the Stars. His salary there was $4.25m. What is John Hynes' salary? I didn't find a figure in a quick search. Google AI tells me the average salary is $2.6m. Is DeBoer in the Sullivan/Cooper/McLellan category? If so, that's $5+m.

    Who else is out there? 2 names are interesting: Jay Woodcroft and David Carle. Both are younger, but I think a younger coach would probably be the better fit. Carle might be tough to get right now as he's currently the coach at Denver. Woodcroft, is an assistant with Anaheim. Can the team poach an already employed coach currently with a team? I think that is extremely doubtful. Is OCL ready to pay DeBoer? 

    Or, do we go with elevating an assistant and giving him the interim tag? That seems most likely. If this is done, will he play the kids? Or, can Guerin have the tough conversation with Hynes and tell him he's good for the year, will be brought into the front office after the year, and we'll get a new coach for '26, but, get the kids ready for next season? I think that could be the likely scenario, but not yet. Guerin is extremely competitive and won't throw away a season a dozen games into it. 

    What can Guerin get for our vets? That will be next

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    17 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I will agree that our goalies haven't been stealing any games...

    Boy, if this doesn't seem like '23, I don't know what else does.

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