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    The result of the Marco Rossi saga will be one of the defining storylines of this Minnesota Wild offseason. Teams are beginning to circle on the talented young center, making him one of this offseason's most coveted trade pieces. The Vancouver Canucks look like a suitor for Rossi is the Vancouver Canucks.

    "I definitely hear from really good sources that Vancouver really likes Marco,” Michael Russo reported on Thursday, “and is very interested in Marco."

    Vancouver's interest in Rossi makes a lot of sense, given that they've been looking for top-six help at center since last year's trade deadline. So, what would a Rossi trade look like? 

    The Athletic's Canucks writers, Harman Dayal and Thomas Drance, recently put together a list of assets Vancouver might be willing to part with this offseason.

    Let's examine that list and what the Wild are looking for this offseason to connect some dots to establish the infrastructure of a potential trade.

    Vancouver probably isn’t parting with Pettersson

    Elias Pettersson is the first name that many will think of on the Canucks. Even with his worst professional season in the rearview mirror, there's a lot to like about Pettersson and his fit on the Wild. While the four-time all-star is Vancouver’s most enticing trade piece, it seems unlikely he'd be available in a Rossi deal.

    According to Harman Dayal and Thomas Drance's article, "holding onto Pettersson feels like the most likely course of action." 

    After trading J.T. Miller, the team is weak at the center position. Vancouver’s lack of depth in the middle of the ice is why the team is interested in Rossi in the first place. A trade involving the two main pieces, Pettersson and Rossi, would be a lateral move for the Canucks at best.

    The Wild would likely have to include significant assets in a trade for the Canucks to accept it. Without much draft capital or depth at the center position, it's challenging to imagine Minnesota overcoming that gap.

    Should the Wild trade for draft capital?

    A Pettersson deal is challenging to broker, but the Canucks have other assets that would interest the Wild. First, let's define the type of assets Minnesota is seeking.

    Bill Guerin has made it clear what his focus will be this offseason. He spoke to the Wild on 7th Podcast about where they'll spend their resources.

    "We're going to focus mainly on forwards," Guerin said. "I believe our D is set. We've got a good mix of veterans and youth. So, mainly for me, I'm focused on forwards. Yeah, faceoffs – we need somebody to help with that."

    Minnesota could also use some draft capital, given that they have only one pick in the first three rounds this year and no second-round pick in the next two years.

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    When examining those parameters, the Canucks have a few interesting available players.

    If Pettersson isn't an option, Vancouver's 2025 first-round draft pick would most likely be coming back to Minnesota as the centerpiece of the deal. The Canucks will pick 15th overall at this year's draft and appear willing to move that pick, with Dayal and Drance stating that "It'd be pretty surprising if the Canucks held on to this year's No. 15 pick."

    Does the 15th pick help the Wild?

    At first glance, attaining a draft pick is not a massive priority for the Wild. They need to improve their roster now. Still, the 15th overall pick has some utility for Minnesota. The team is relatively good at drafting. In The Athletic's 2024 front office confidence survey, the Wild ranked 6th among the public's confidence in a team's drafting and developing ability. Having another prospect to develop or trade would be an asset to the team.

    Even if the team acquires Vancouver’s first-round pick, that doesn't mean they must use it. The Wild could flip that pick for a player they want to contribute to their team. This capital might be especially valuable because the free agent market for centers is thin. 

    What else would Vancouver throw in to complete the trade?

    Rossi is worth more than a first-round pick. The Canucks possess some roster players who could appeal to Minnesota as potential add-ons. According to Dayal and Drance, the players the Canucks would be willing to part with are Nils Höglander and Teddy Blueger.

    Höglander has a much higher ceiling and excellent possession metrics, with a positive Corsi-for percentage in every professional season he has played. Even though he's probably a better player, Höglander is undersized at 5-foot-9, 185 pounds. It's unlikely the Wild would acquire another small forward when that seems to be the main issue with Rossi.

    Höglander's size means Teddy Bleuger is a better fit. Bleuger is a center who would immediately become one of the Wild's best faceoff men. He's had a better than 50% success rate in the faceoff dot for five consecutive seasons. 

    Bleuger can contribute offensively with 28 points last season, but is valuable primarily for his defensive attributes and experience. Blueger has playoff pedigree, having won the Stanley Cup with the Pittsburgh Penguins. Bill Guerin should also be familiar with him because they were together in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton with the Penguins organization.

    Connecting the dots of what Minnesota wants and what Vancouver has to offer leads to a trade proposal that could fill both teams’ needs.

    Final trade proposal

    Vancouver receives: Marco Rossi.

    Minnesota receives: 2025 first-round pick (15th overall), Teddy Blueger, 2026 second-round pick.

    If you think that doesn't sound like enough for Rossi, you're right.

    A young 60-point center that's only getting better should fetch much more. But the Wild don't have much leverage. The team devalued Rossi as an asset when they played him on the fourth line in the playoffs. They also remain at an impasse in their contract negotiations. As things stand, the Wild will not receive fair market value for Rossi.

    While this trade with the Canucks doesn't provide equal value, it replenishes the Wild's draft cupboard, allowing them to either make another move or acquire additional assets. Blueger also provides the experience that Guerin mentioned he was looking for, and would provide a solid option in the faceoff dot. 

    Minnesota would likely be better off reaching a deal with Rossi and keeping him on the team. However, if they move him, a trade like this could benefit Minnesota and Vancouver.

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    A 15th overall pick this year is like a mid-2nd round pick any other year. The draft class is weak. Utah's 4th would be more appropriate. They are getting a guaranteed, young, 60 point player that can contribute immediately. Instead of drafting an unknown project.

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    Shooter is also on record for saying that he does not want compensation from a Rossi trade to delay the team's timeline. Picking #15 in a draft this year likely requires 5 years of development, especially with such a weak class. A better idea (without looking at the picks) would be for a 2026 1 & 2 not lottery protected.

    However, anything to do with draft picks delays the team's timeline. Vancouver has no assets I'd be interested in unless you put Pettersson the center on the table. What bothers me about Vancouver being a potential suitor is Jim Rutherford convincing Guerin, his protege, that this is a fine deal for both organizations. Nobody wants those guys. Even if the player was Lekkerimaki, he's a wing and too small. This doesn't help get us out of round 1 of the playoffs.

     

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    A young 60-point center that's only getting better should fetch much more. But the Wild don't have much leverage. The team devalued Rossi as an asset when they played him on the fourth line in the playoffs. They also remain at an impasse in their contract negotiations. As things stand, the Wild will not receive fair market value for Rossi.

    This is complete BS. The thing is the Wild have almost all of the leverage. The devaluation means nothing if there are multiple teams interested. A bidding war would ensue. You might need to hire an auctioneer. And, if the Wild don't particularly like any of these offers, you can always keep him. He won't be real happy, but that's the way the CBA is written. Nobody has a gun to Guerin's head saying you must do this by July 1. Go into the season with Rossi. Showcase him again. Pick up what you need to get better. I would say with #15, a 2nd in '26 and Bluegger/Hoglander/Lekkerimaki the Wild would be worse.

    To get bigger, you have to deal for bigger players and convince the players you still have to get bigger. It's not that hard of a concept.

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    46 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

    A 15th overall pick this year is like a mid-2nd round pick any other year. The draft class is weak. Utah's 4th would be more appropriate. They are getting a guaranteed, young, 60 point player that can contribute immediately. Instead of drafting an unknown project.

    A 4 would really open up way more options the Wild could go for.  Skill guys, a giant center or even more big D (Mrtka is 6'6"), and what not.

    Still would take Rossi unless that 4 or a 2nd line guy is being dangled.

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    The wild totally devalued Rossi. They have no leverage! He goes and sign an offer sheet from a good team you get a mid to late first round pick , 3rd and maybe 2nd depending on deal. Billy paid more for jiricek . So Billy wasting assets is leverage?  Billy and Johnny putting Rossi behind worst analytical guy Fred ruined there chances at a bridge deal. Great leverage! Top notch gm ing .Hell  drafting an undersized guy then saying he’s to small is devaluation . Oh but we control Rossi an he could go to arbitration. That’s not happening. He will be traded or offer sheeted . Management mishandled him an his agent isn’t going to bridge deal him so Billy can ruin his career playing behind Fred  the next 3 years. 
       The 6 years of Billy and the buyouts should have been the time we collected assets and developed. Then we take the assets that aren’t a part of future and buy what we need . We didn’t develop shit during Billy’s time. His crown jewel 9th overall is to small , (same size when Billy drafted him) is now going to be traded for a mid to late 1st is ridiculous.  Kappy will be retired before Billy’s prospects from a Rossi trade sniff the nhl . Billy’s development takes 10 years to figure out they’ll never make nhl. Lambos . 
       I can’t wait to see all this leverage Billy has and this x-mas we were all promised by Billy and his fan boys . It’ll be running it back with same team with an over paid Brock Besor. That’s what  Xmas will be.. this team is nowhere near winning a round with  captain fred g and Billy’s management. 

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    43 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    This is complete BS. The thing is the Wild have almost all of the leverage. The devaluation means nothing if there are multiple teams interested. A bidding war would ensue. You might need to hire an auctioneer. And, if the Wild don't particularly like any of these offers, you can always keep him. He won't be real happy, but that's the way the CBA is written. Nobody has a gun to Guerin's head saying you must do this by July 1.

    It isn't though. They really f*cked up the perception of Rossi with the demotion in the playoffs. A young 60pt center and they essentially bench him come playoffs? That is a red flag for every single team looking. Furthermore, judging by Rossi's PS media scrum, you've burnt any good will with the player and in one move, made him question what his future looks like with this team. No young player wants to commit to a team that will bury him on the forth line playing with a couple knuckle draggers when he has upside like Rossi does. 

    Whether it was Guerin or Hynes, they really messed up in pigeonholing him come playoffs. We didn't do it to any of our other prospects when they were young and inexpirienced in PS. Faber, Boldy and Deweys all got a long leash to make mistakes in post season, and they did. Look at any of their numbers during their first PS and they weren't good. Playoffs are a different beast and it takes some getting used to. Sewering a guy, because he is young and learning is a good way to have a bad rep with all our prospects and it sure doesn't help drive their value either.

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    1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

    A 15th overall pick this year is like a mid-2nd round pick any other year. The draft class is weak. Utah's 4th would be more appropriate. They are getting a guaranteed, young, 60 point player that can contribute immediately. Instead of drafting an unknown project.

    Just like Marco Rossi!

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    I wrote a couple of posts on other threads, but thought I'd bring them over here for discussion. I'll put them in 2 different boxes.

    Alexis Lafreniere is 6'2" 196 as listed by the NYR. He's 23. Could he have a problem similar to what Rossi found out? What would happen if Lafreniere showed up to camp ripped and weighing in at 210? Yes, that would be Ek size.

    Would that extra strength give Lafreniere an advantage he has not had? I think it's a possibility to the shock of no-one.

    Here's part of a scouting report on him:

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    A gifted and versatile scoring winger with outstanding hockey sense and the ability to elevate his game when the situation calls for it, Lafreniere possesses many traits that scream elite and potential NHL superstar. From his deadly wrist shot to his superior playmaking and vision, the St. Eustache native checks every block imaginable when it comes to possessing the puck. What makes Lafreniere unique, however, is his insanely high compete level, tenacity on the puck, physicality, and selflessness. Play him on a line with equally heralded or accomplished prospects, and he’ll make it a point to tap into their strengths rather than make himself the center of attention.

    Lafreniere is an excellent skater in all directions, but his powerful stride allows him to separate from opponents in open ice. It’s rare to see a winger nearing 200 pounds of any age to be able to turn on the jets immediately following a physical battle, but Lafreniere’s foot speed, long stride, and expert anticipation places him in open ice with a numbers advantage multiple times a period, let alone an entire game. Playing in a junior league has something to do with that, but there no reason to believe his escapability in close contact won’t translate to success within the trenches of NHL warfare, where time and space are earned the hard way. Lafreniere can tailor his game to fit any style of play, and his ability to play physical causes significant matchup problems for smaller opponents.

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    So we know what he’s done, but how has he done it? Lafrenière truly is an all-round, elite player with an offensive gift. The offense runs through him. He can cycle the offensive end on his own, finding the perfect pass for an assist or the best positioning for a shot. His offensive awareness is off the charts. He reads defences so well that when you watch him play it looks like he visualizes the path to the net and he takes it.

    If you’re one-on-one against him, expect to lose. He’s a very creative player, that can go through the opposition or blow past them. His biggest progression this season has been his skating. He’s a powerful skater who can accelerate with ease, often leaving defenders in his snow. It’s evident that he likes to pass, based on his assist totals through the years, but when he pulls out his wrist shot – watch out. It’s hard, it’s fast, it’s accurate.

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    From his draft year, Alexis Lafreniere has actually grown 1" and 4 lbs. That's it. Could it be that the advantage he had in jrs. had a lot to do with being to big to handle for most prospects? He appears to have done 0 weight training based upon the above figures. Did moving to the NHL and facing guys as big or perhaps a little bigger stifle his play? I'd have to point my finger and say Bingo.

    There are 2 theories that I could have concerning Lafreniere. 1) not having the same immediate success as in jrs., especially when you've been pegged a generational talent in a huge market like NY can be overwhelming for a teenager. 2) not building the extra 15 lbs. of muscle you needed to contend at this level is probably a major reason for #1 on this list. 

    I believe that if we trade Rossi, NYR probably has the best roster to help us. Adding a scorer also helps. I really wish he were right handed. But if you got this kid out of NY, gave him a little peace of mind and instructed him he needed a big offseason of physical development, sent him to camp Ek, and brought him back at 210, I think you could see that generational talent. I would be willing to take that chance....if I had a chance to talk to him before pulling the trigger.

    Lafreniere already has a $51m contract under his belt. Where's the motivation to go through the grind of a summer instead of enjoying yourself? Well, based upon the quotes above, he took a doormat on his shoulders and made them a contender. By talking to him, you can find out if that fire still burns. 

    I would love to bring over Lafreniere and Kreider. NYR is still trying to shed cap and Kreider is at $6.5m for 2 more seasons. We can fit him in. Going through the quick look at the puckpedia teams, it also appears that the Wild may be the best team with cap room for this. Cap wise, Lafreniere and Rossi will be mostly a wash, so we'd have to pick up the $6.5m where we have room. We will also need to shed some of our bottom 6 to make room for the kids. 

    Rossi going to Vancouver sounds like a disaster. Lafreniere has definitely disappointed NYR fans and coaches alike. Vancouver has the Shooter whisperer on their team which I fear will have undo influence on the trade. So, in Pewter fashion I will end with

    #don'tbedumbbill

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    When I hear "very interested" in trading for Rossi, to me that sounds like we will hear of trade deals that indicate "very interested." Not "ok, we'll take him off your hands" types of deals. 

    "Very interested" has to be followed with a "very interesting" offer. Dangling #15 in this year's draft, Hoglander, Bluegger, or Lakkerimaki does not look at all appealing. 

    There are a couple of players I do find appealing but am not sure how this would work. Thatcher Demko and Tom Willander. 

    Demko is the kind of 'tender who could be lights out for the Wild. He would need an extension but would immediately upgrade our goaltending from average to elite. Goose would have to be included in the deal, but a Demko/The Wall battery could be a wow factor.

    Willander is a 20 year old LHD who played 2 years at BU. He's 6'1" 191 as listed on the BU site, similar to his draft numbers. He had 2 pretty good years there and is a #11 overall pick in '23, a very good draft class. There would need to be a sorting out of our D, probably moving Brodin and Spurgeon and they'd be pretty young....but really good...and inexpensive for the time being. Willander would be the 6th possible rookie to join the roster.

    Of course, this doesn't help at all with our forwards.

    Another possible answer could be dealing with Seattle and I've heard they have interest in Rossi. Shane Wright would be my target there, and I'd think Seattle would need to add something to the deal. Wright, I believe, sits right about at where Guerin's timeline would be. He's in the last year of his ELC but is 6' 198 at this time. Wright is part of the '22 draft, which would be a nice get if building the team with that draft. He's on a similar trajectory with Rossi in terms of development, just a couple of years behind with no health scare and a bit larger. He's also an RHS center which we really could use. I would lean heavily towards a 1 for 1 swap here, and this would be my 2nd choice behind a Rangers' deal.

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    48 minutes ago, Patrick said:

    Just like Marco Rossi!

    That's the whole point, the Wild are searching for something they already have. Something that will only get better, but they will replace him with a vet that will only get worse and cost more.

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    Bill should tell Rossi and his agent a deal is on the table with Buffalo. Here’s a contract for $5mil/per year. I’m only offering it once. You have 15 minutes to sign it or your going to be a Sabre.

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    4 hours ago, Dean said:

    The wild totally devalued Rossi. They have no leverage! He goes and sign an offer sheet from a good team you get a mid to late first round pick , 3rd and maybe 2nd depending on deal. Billy paid more for jiricek . So Billy wasting assets is leverage?  Billy and Johnny putting Rossi behind worst analytical guy Fred ruined there chances at a bridge deal. Great leverage! Top notch gm ing .Hell  drafting an undersized guy then saying he’s to small is devaluation . Oh but we control Rossi an he could go to arbitration. That’s not happening. He will be traded or offer sheeted . Management mishandled him an his agent isn’t going to bridge deal him so Billy can ruin his career playing behind Fred  the next 3 years. 
       The 6 years of Billy and the buyouts should have been the time we collected assets and developed. Then we take the assets that aren’t a part of future and buy what we need . We didn’t develop shit during Billy’s time. His crown jewel 9th overall is to small , (same size when Billy drafted him) is now going to be traded for a mid to late 1st is ridiculous.  Kappy will be retired before Billy’s prospects from a Rossi trade sniff the nhl . Billy’s development takes 10 years to figure out they’ll never make nhl. Lambos . 
       I can’t wait to see all this leverage Billy has and this x-mas we were all promised by Billy and his fan boys . It’ll be running it back with same team with an over paid Brock Besor. That’s what  Xmas will be.. this team is nowhere near winning a round with  captain fred g and Billy’s management. 

    The wild totally devalued Rossi. they were not trying to devalue Rossi - they were trying to win a PO series. Rossi's play called for him to be demoted because he couldn't take the top 6 assignments vs Vegas top group (which was the matchup). Hence he was given a more favorable matchup against bottom 6 players with two players that could offset his size/physicality limitation.

    They have no leverage! wrong. All the leverage is with the team. Go ahead Rossi find some fool to pay you more than 7. If not - come on down to us at OUR price and play. Go and prove yourself with a Bridge Deal. Or you are not happy with the price? well then go on and play in Austria. All cards are with Billy here. 

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    Rossi does have some leverage with a potential offer sheet looming, that would be the worst case scenario for the Wild since it doesn't help them now.  Also, he does not have to sign a substandard contract with the Wild, he can hold out and ask for a trade.

    Does the Wild have some leverage, sure, but all of the pressure is now squarely on BG not to bungle a former 1st round pick, 9th overall that produces 60 points at center.  Look at the price he paid for Jiricek. 

    BG should've held back his comments about soft skill, while Hynes shouldn't played the "gritty" Gaudreau (0 points) over Rossi in the playoffs.

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    16 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    Rossi does have some leverage with a potential offer sheet looming, that would be the worst case scenario for the Wild since it doesn't help them now.

    The Wild can simply match the offer sheet, which is why it might not happen for him. If teams know the Wild will match, it might not be worth it for them to even write up the contract.

    A team would probably have to be up around $8M for the wild to walk away from bringing him back. Would a team sign Rossi for that?

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    Wild have pick #52 in the 2025 draft.

    Perhaps they can add some size to their prospect pool there with either Matthew Gard(6'5" C) or Max Psenicka(6'5" RHD).

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    18 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    The wild totally devalued Rossi. they were not trying to devalue Rossi - they were trying to win a PO series. Rossi's play called for him to be demoted because he couldn't take the top 6 assignments vs Vegas top group

    TRUTH BOMB!!!

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    35 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    he can hold out and ask for a trade.

    The key here is "ask." Just because a player asks doesn't mean it will be granted. So, he holds out, what good does that do for him? Nothing. It puts him behind. 

    Guys like Dubois could do that, they don't have a size deficiency. Same thing with Nylander, he is very talented without being undersized. But to battle that stigma and hold out is like committing career suicide. And any loafing will get you demoted to the 4th line. 

    Since Rossi already has red flags by his name, holding out is not in his best long term interest. His best option is to come to the table with an offersheet from a team that's not very good at over $7.2m. If it is less, he will be matched. If it is with a good team, he will likely be matched. This is if he just wants out. 

    Or, he could invest in himself, gain the strength weight, show up to camp at 195 and dominate in camp. Sign the 1 year deal and prove you're worth $7m. Start pushing people around and getting in scrums. You're talking about 1 year. It's not completely his fault, the health scare was bad luck, but that's the hand he was dealt and now he must overcome. I'm pretty sure Guerin will feel way more comfortable with him coming in at 195.

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    25 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    A team would probably have to be up around $8M for the wild to walk away from bringing him back. Would a team sign Rossi for that?

    It would also need to be with term.

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    47 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    The Wild can simply match the offer sheet, which is why it might not happen for him. If teams know the Wild will match, it might not be worth it for them to even write up the contract.

    A team would probably have to be up around $8M for the wild to walk away from bringing him back. Would a team sign Rossi for that?

    I agree with you.  I really doubt if any team even offer sheets Rossi, that it will be for more than $7.02M and the risk of losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.  Since it seems to be common knowledge that he is looking for $7M for 7 years, someone may offer that amount, but doubt it would be more. 

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    47 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    The Wild can simply match the offer sheet, which is why it might not happen for him. If teams know the Wild will match, it might not be worth it for them to even write up the contract.

    A team would probably have to be up around $8M for the wild to walk away from bringing him back. Would a team sign Rossi for that?

    If the Wild won't offer more than the $5Mx5 because they don't believe they can win with him, his size, or soft skill, then why would they match an offer sheet at $7Mx7?

    He's not committing career suicide, he's done everything asked of him and then some, BG keeps yanking the football away like he's Charlie Brown.  He's not going to sign a bridge deal with a team so they can stick him on the fourth line.

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    32 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    Gaudreau 0 points, Nyquist 0 points in playoffs.  Hell, even JoJo, Brazeau, and Trenin each had two assists in playoffs.

    It's the goals against that the Wild leadership (hynzy & thin skin bill) was concerned with.  They didn't trust Rossi on the defensive side of the puck. 

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    15 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    Gaudreau 0 points, Nyquist 0 points in playoffs.  Hell, even JoJo, Brazeau, and Trenin each had two assists in playoffs.

    You're evidence doesn't really make your case.

    What they are saying is that Rossi was put on the 4th line because it would match up better with Vegas that way.  The fact that the line generated points directly shows that it got some offense out of Trenin and Brazeau, something that probably wouldn't have happened without Rossi on the line. 

    Also Kaprizov and Boldy were occasionally playing shifts with other lines just to get them out there more, so it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities with more skilled players.  Nothing came of it when the chances were there.

    The whole Rossi on the 4th line thing is blown way out of proportion.  He was put in a position to be effective and mostly he was (other than that bad penalty).

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    24 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

    I just wish something would happen so we can quit talking about Rossi. I'm ready to move on to a new topic, lol.

    agree! 

    here is one - i read an interview with Kap and Kovy (it's an older one from end of may, but still found good stuff there) so when asked about signing the contract - Kap stated "wait till July 1st and you'll know". 

    that actually makes it seem that Kap is resigning. this is crazy. he could have said "no comment" or "time will tell" but saying July 1 - means there will be something and it won't be an announcement to say "i've decided to wait and not sign" - that would be illogical....creating mass hysteria, famine and inflation, not to mention a total slap in the face of the fans and i'm not seeing that from Kap. so if he says - wait and see - i think we are waiting on contract details at this point. SNAP - of course i called it all the way! brilliant!

    additionally - he jokingly said - if Kovy wants to - he'll (Kap) find him a place on the team - or something like that ..... tells me the decisions are run by him and all the current contracts or lack-there-of are not just because Bill likes it a certain way.... (sorry i know you asked to not mention Rossi 😉 )

    anyone read that interview? 

     

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