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  • Is Trade Target Alex Tuch A Trick Or Treat?


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    Tony Abbott

    You may have heard about this: The Buffalo Sabres are bad. Again.

    You also may be aware: The Minnesota Wild need scoring. Again.

    And perhaps you've known: The Wild used to have this fella in Buffalo named Alex Tuch.

    Are we all caught up? Great. Because you're going to hear a lot about Tuch in the coming months, and frankly, you should. The 6-foot-4, 219-pound forward hasn't put up insane numbers throughout his career -- his career-highs are 36 goals (twice, his only 30-goal seasons) and 79 points (2022-23). But the Boston College product (Hey! That's where Bill Guerin went to school!) fits precisely what the Wild need.

    Tuch's size is the obvious draw, as it was when Minnesota drafted him in 2014, but his contributions go far past being a big body. It's how he uses it. Despite a career-high 113 hits last season, he's not a punishing monster like Marcus Foligno. He's not going to throw the body around. Still, his frame absolutely helps him stay on the puck, win board battles, and push play into the offensive zone.

    Over the past five seasons, Tuch ranks 36th among NHL forwards in driving Even Strength Offense, with an Evolving-Hockey rating of 39.3 in goals above average during that time. That's more than any member of the Wild except Kirill Kaprizov (49.2 EVO GAR; 15th). His offensive impact at even-strength is comparable to the likes of Elias Pettersson (40.5 EVO GAR), Brady Tkachuk (40.6), and Tage Thompson (41.2), all three being names Wild fans want Guerin to circle like vultures.

    It's easy to imagine what Tuch can offer to a Wild team that doesn't have much of what he provides. Boldy is developing into a skilled power forward, but they don't have much in the way of big, imposing forwards. They don't have many right-shot options for their power play -- Ryan Hartman is the only one in Minnesota's top-nine right now. And as for what holes Tuch could fill in the lineup? Use your imagination.

    One can easily envision him opposite Kirill Kaprizov on a top line, banging down low and cleaning up rebounds. If Minnesota wants to keep its Kaprizov/Matt Boldy connection together, though, no sweat. How does a forechecking line featuring Joel Eriksson Ek and Tuch sound to opponents? How many defensemen are going to love to see that duo bear down on them in their own zone?

    You could even see Tuch contributing on the penalty kill -- he led the NHL with six shorthanded goals last season, after all. All of that sounds great. Sign me up.

    Except that, there's always gonna be a catch.

    The catch isn't coming this year. Or at least, not fully. Whatever team trades for Tuch is going to have to give a boatful of assets. Tuch's not just great at hockey, he's also insanely affordable. Tuch is in the last year of a contract that pays him $4.75 million per season. The Wild have $4.1 million in cap space right now. They could trade for him today and barely have to move any money around to get it done. And for cap-strapped contenders like the Edmonton Oilers, Dallas Stars, Florida Panthers, and Colorado Avalanche, that's going to cost a premium.

    We're probably talking about something similar to what Colorado paid for Brock Nelson at the last trade deadline: A first-round pick, a top prospect, and a little bit more. That could very easily mean saying goodbye to Danila Yurov or Liam Öhgren, and their cost-controlled years.

    Maybe that's worth the injection of "win-now" into the Wild's engine... but that was also the rationale for trading Tuch to preserve Minnesota's roster in 2017.

    Few teams are going to cough up that kind of prospect capital without feeling good about the chances of keeping their new player around. The Wild likely wouldn't be an exception with Tuch. Guerin isn't going to make that splash without extending the player, and while Tuch's been more than worth his freight during his career, his upcoming contract is going to push that to the limit.

    Remember that sticker shock you got with Kaprizov's contract? You're going to get it again with Tuch. Evolving-Hockey projected a Tuch extension to come in at eight years with a $9.99 million AAV last summer -- though at that point, I'd doubt the player's camp would want to Tuch and roll under the $10 million mark. Minnesota would almost definitely have its second player in the eight-digit AAV club.

    That's a lot of money, and that's even accounting for the cap rising. In terms of "flat cap dollars" -- what you're used to seeing players get, $10 million in 2026-27 is the equivalent of an $8.4 million salary last season. Forget making more than Nikita Kucherov ($9.5 million), Matthew Tkachuk ($9.5 million), and Brayden Point ($9.5 million) -- is Tuch more valuable than his inflation-adjusted comparables -- Wyatt Johnston or Roope Hintz or "Featuring" Rob Thomas?

    And that's just in the short term. Year 1 of Tuch's deal will come at age-30, and his contract will likely last until he's 36 or 37. Now, players age differently at all body types, including power forwards. Alex Ovechkin is virtually indestructible. Guerin was effective into his late 30s. Meanwhile, Corey Perry has spent much of the last decade barely hanging on to an NHL spot with contending teams, and there's a chance injuries can make a power forward go the way of Dany Heatley or Milan Lucic.

    We can't know how Tuch will go. Still, we know that if it goes bad, it can go bad quickly. If it does, Minnesota's not going to want to be on the hook for that $10 million price. 

    Still, that's going to be a risk Guerin takes with virtually any player he'll want to take a swing on. Unless the next Matt Tkachuk -- an All-Star at the very beginning of their prime -- comes on the trade market, the Wild's next big splash is going to be a veteran who is A) expensive and B) going to fight against the aging curve. While history suggests Tuch's expiration date will come sometime during his next contract, it's tough to say he can't help on a Wild team that sees its window as these next three to four seasons.

    If that's the case, Tuch might be able to be a trade deadline treat, even if the trick is lying in wait at some point during the 2030s.

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    Thing is, if they didn't want Rossi+stuff for Peterka, what will they want for Tuch?  Yeesh.

    Besides, their problems are more than one player can fix.

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    Can't edit note: I don't think the Wild was one Tuch or Thompson away from contention if their defense WAS working.  I'm even less convinced after getting destroyed by Utah and San Jose.

    Credit to this team for never being out of it (or trying to convince us of that anyway), but when 5-6 goal games is the norm, you can't outrace that problem.

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    In my eyes, Yurov has proven he can play in this league already and Ohgren will get there.  Two staple players that we can have for 10+ years of solid productivity versus signing another retirement project.  

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    I like tuch , would love to have him but the price will be to high for something we need less than a #1 center.  I doubt we even have the assets to pull off with all the other teams wanting him. I think Billy needs to go big on a center. Empty the cupboards for Tage. . If we got a true # 1 center than everyone else gets slotted properly. Tage 1, Rossi or yurov 2nd  , ek is a born to be 3 rd line machine and face off winning sturm at 4 . We could find less expensive wingers in cap are trade assets .  I also think after a # 1 center they need to get size in the top 4 d .  Stick checking doesn’t get you anywhere in the playoffs. We need size that can play top 4 minutes. 
        However I’m up for Billy just doing something. So maybe blowing his wad on tuch is better than this perpetual waiting for nothing to happen pattern we’re in. 

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    Tuch has a five team no trade clause. Could the Wild be on it? Personally I think the Wild are on a good number of players NT lists. Just given the number of aging vets that have given us the pass over the last few years. I do know he was elated to wind up in Buffalo because that's where he grew up. Maybe leaving there is not really attractive to him regardless of how bad the team is. 

    Besides he's a little long in the tooth now to be thinking 7 year contracts that are sniffing around $10M. 

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    The one that got away. But, it's not nostalgia that has me wanting to bring him back, it's much more. Do you need a grinder? Tuch can do that. Do you need speed? Tuch can do that too. As he gets older, the speed may suffer a little, but he's still huge and can clog the middle of the ice.

    ODC pointed out that we don't have the talented grinders with skill that other teams have when heading into the playoffs. Tuch is that type of player. Now think about this for a few minutes: Tuch hasn't seen the playoffs since his Vegas days. That's about a year of tread he hasn't spent, maybe 2 when you consider the intensity. Do you need a bigger wing to put with Rossi and Kaprizov? He's got it plus he has the RHS. 

    Sure he's a little older, but truthfully, he's 1 draft year older than Ek and Kaprizov. That puts him in their age group. No one can predict when where the cliff is for him, but this much is true, he can still play. He makes us bigger and has speed and a shot. This would be a very good pickup. 

    In response to Dean, I don't think we'd be able to afford Tage, but this move is a little more under the radar. Is there a win-win deal to be had here? 

    Lastly, Tuch has a little swagger. Who remembers his shootout goal in the prospect camp? He may not hit in the regular season, my bet is he gets mean in the playoffs!

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    Regardless if we are playoff bound this year, Tuch is a good trade and a good extension building toward a deep playoff run in the future. He is not a rental. I really don't want a rental either. We need to be looking for some players who want to join this open window. 

    I said before, maybe wholesale changes should be made with the veteran core at the deadline. Maybe we can still offload some of those guys and still build for the future. I think Tuch could be a big part of that.

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    Let's look at this with an open mind.  

    Don't give up a lot to trade for Tuch mid season.  Offer prospects only Hiedt, Benak etc.  Sign him in the off season if you want to sign him.  

    The other aspect is this team is terrible with or without Tuch on the ice.  Why trade for someone and possibly give up the first overall pick in the draft.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Maybe we can still offload some of those guys and still build for the future.

    It sure seems like any time BG works a trade, the net result to the Wild is negative equity.  Right now, we do not even have a team.  A team plays together, a system, and follows leadership.  If it were only the greenhorns making mistakes and learning under a well-coached system, we all would be issuing hall passes.  The vets are not engaged, not gelling, or not motivated.  Nearly everyone here is griping about something.... and something is fundamentally missing from MN.  

    Here I thought it might have been a toxic coach, or even a toxic player (ahem Suter).  Is the toxicity the locker room itself?  The Ice?  The GM?  OCL?  Many NHL'ers have NTC against MN... it's far more than our climate and tax system.  What's repelling the 1C's from wanting to be here?  Why are we cursed?  

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    18 hours ago, hydguy75 said:

    It sure seems like any time BG works a trade, the net result to the Wild is negative equity.  Right now, we do not even have a team.  A team plays together, a system, and follows leadership.  If it were only the greenhorns making mistakes and learning under a well-coached system, we all would be issuing hall passes.  The vets are not engaged, not gelling, or not motivated.  Nearly everyone here is griping about something.... and something is fundamentally missing from MN.  

    Here I thought it might have been a toxic coach, or even a toxic player (ahem Suter).  Is the toxicity the locker room itself?  The Ice?  The GM?  OCL?  Many NHL'ers have NTC against MN... it's far more than our climate and tax system.  What's repelling the 1C's from wanting to be here?  Why are we cursed?  

    I was thinking about this, this morning. I think maybe we should replace the captain of the team. Of course, my belief is any letters should be turned in at the end of the year.  

    Some of this stuff has been going on since Koivu was captain. 

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