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    The Minnesota Wild’s top line has been dynamite this season. Matt Boldy, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Kirill Kaprizov have carried Minnesota’s offense. But what happens when that line is not scoring or can’t score enough? 

    Minnesota often falls flat and drops in the standings. 

    The Wild will narrowly miss the playoffs this season after making it with a similar roster last year. 

    According to MoneyPuck.com, Minnesota’s top line has the ninth-most goals scored in the league. The Wild have no other line without one of the big three in the top 100 in league scoring. Almost all of the team’s production has come from these three guys. 

    Kaprizov always drives winning, no matter who’s on his line. He also excelled when skating with rookie Marco Rossi and his old buddy Mats Zuccarello

    Boldy and Eriksson Ek have set career highs in points, with Eriksson Ek netting 30 goals for the first time in his career. Kaprizov is on pace for another 100-point season. Minnesota’s big three are delivering, but the team struggles to get great production from the bottom of the lineup. 

    The Wild still need to produce more even-strength scoring. Last year, the team was 25th in the league in goals per game at 2.46. That’s not a knock on Minnesota’s second-line players like Rossi, Zuccarello, and Ryan Hartman. These guys have largely done what was expected of them, if not more. 

    Zuccarello spent time away from Kaprizov and still produced. Over half of his production came with Kaprizov on the power play. Still, teams will never say no to a 62-point season from a 36-year-old winger. 

    Rossi has finally found playing time and thrived in a second and third-line scoring role. He was seventh on the team in points and scored 20 goals at age 22. 

    Hartman has bounced around the lineup but put together another solid season as a 200-foot middle-six forward. The former first-round pick scored 20 goals and 40 points, even though he didn’t always have talented linemates and missed eight games due to injury and suspension. There’s not much more the Wild could ask from Hartman.

    The Wild also got scoring from their sensational rookie defenseman Brock Faber, who scored 50 points as a rookie. His offensive numbers are a jolt to a defensive core that is otherwise more defensively inclined. 

    No other defenseman on the team scored more than 30 points. Jonas Brodin came closest with 27. However, Jared Spurgeon would have easily scored more than 30 points if he had played an 82-game season. Losing Spurgeon on the back end hurts Minnesota on both ends of the ice. 

    Injuries up and down the lineup were also a huge inhibitor of those low-depth scoring numbers. Only Rossi and Faber suited up for all 82 games. 

    The Wild shut Marcus Foligno down due to injury, and he only played in 55 games. Foligno is not necessarily known for his offense, but he was only on pace for 32 points. Minnesota needs more out of its boisterous leader. 

    However, many of Minnesota’s healthy veterans didn’t show up. The Wild got frustratingly little from Freddy Gaudreau and Marcus Johansson. Still, they gave Gaudreau and Johansson scoring roles, with Johansson being in the top six almost all year. 

    Jojo only recorded 30 points while looking like he’s taking most nights off. Gaudreau has been injured but also largely ineffective. He scored 44 and 38 points in back-to-back seasons and suddenly dropped to a 15-point season. That’s unacceptable production for a guy the Wild relied on to be a secondary scorer. 

    Successful teams like the Dallas Stars have eight forwards who scored over 40 points and two defensemen who recorded over 45 points. That’s 10 players with over 40 points on the team. 

    Conversely, the Wild have six forwards over 40 points and only one defenseman over 40. The Stars have another line of capable scorers who provide Dallas with 33% more offense than the Wild. The Stars tuck 2.9 goals per game, good for fifth in the league. That’s roughly 30% more than the 2.46 goals per game output that the Wild produce.  

    Minnesota’s fourth line doesn’t necessarily need to be a point-producing machine, but the Wild get nearly nothing compared to other successful teams. The Stars get 20-point Craig Smith and 24-point Sam Steel as solid contributors on the fourth line. The Wild had a carousel on the fourth line. However, two staples for the Wild’s fourth line, Connor Dewar and Brandon Duhaime, had a combined 20 points. 

    Getting young players like Liam Ohgren and Marat Khusnutdinov consistent playing time next season could drastically improve the Wild’s lack of goal-scoring. Rossi projects only to improve and drive up his point totals as he grows. If the Wild give Johansson’s playing time to Ohgren and Gaudreau’s playing time to Khusnutdinov, they can bank on the young player's trajectory. 

    A Wild lineup that would look like: 

    • Boldy - Eriksson Ek - Kaprizov 
    • Zuccarello - Rossi - Ohgren 
    • Foligno - Khusnutdinov - Riley Heidt? 
    • Mason Shaw - Ryan Hartman - Gaudreau 

    The sooner the Wild can move Johansson, the better. In all reality, Johansson probably takes that third-line spot that the rookie Hedit would take if Johansson was gone. But this lineup gives the Wild two legit scoring lines with the potential of an effective 200-foot third line that, if Heidt gets to be a part of it, could score some goals. 

    Hartman is probably not a fourth-line forward, either. That fourth line will not blow anybody away, but Mason Shaw has been effective. If Gaudreau can find his scoring touch again, they’d form a pair that could easily hit 20 points with Hartman centering them.

    The Wild need to start holding their veterans accountable, get healthy, and lean on their young players’ offensive potential. Johansson and Gaudreau’s play is unacceptable. If the Wild are serious about scoring more, let the kids with scoring potential play. That includes leaving Rossi and Ohgren in top-six roles with more opportunities to put their names on the scoresheet. 

    The Wild can no longer rely on the top line to carry all of the team's offense. Kaprizov and Boldy are great, but contending teams get goals from more than their top players. If the Wild want to be where teams like Dallas are now, they must let their secondary scoring develop.

    All stats and data via Evolving Hockey, HockeyDB, MoneyPuck.com, and Capfridnly unless otherwise noted.

     

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    Danila Yurov is the answer.

    • Boldy - Eriksson EK - Kaprizov 
    • Zuccarello - Yurov - Hartman 
    • Foligno - Rossi - Ohgren
    • Mason Shaw - Khusnutdinov - Gaudreau

    Khusnutdinov replaces Dewar, Mason Shaw and Gaudreau come back stronger.

    Rossi and Hartman are both 20 goal scorers. Hartman wins a lot of pucks and gets decent assists as well. He and Zuccarello could work well with Yurov.

    PK1 is Dino & Shaw, PK2 is Gaudreau & Foligno

    PP1 is Boldy - Eriksson Ek - Kaprizov with Zuccy

    PP2 is Yurov - Ryan Hartman - Rossi with Ohgren

    Heidt can build strength at a lower level and try jumping in the following year.

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    They have money to spend on a Line 2 winger or 2nd pair defenseman with $3-4m.  You could package Johansson and or Gus to make that number go up to $5-7m+ if you wanted, but I wonder if that's enough to warrant doing so if Yurov is going to take that spot anyway in a year or two (we can hope).

    Really, the Wild need another person to hit 50-60 points, plus Rossi and Faber to build to that.  The dropoff from Zuccarello (60 points) to Faber/Hartman/Rossi (40-50 points), and then a bunch of 20 and 30 point getters is not going to get it done.

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    Is it a dream to imagine NoJo somehow not on next year's roster?

    I believe it is.  NoJo's figure skating prowess has somehow blinded Heinz and BG like a shimmering ice dancer and they somehow believe that he will magically put the puck in the net while doing a triple Lutz splitting the defense.

    They have been hypnotized all season and from the press conference it seems that it has endured in spite of all the flailing sticks.

     

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    Nojo gets a lot of criticism and deservingly so...but why does everyone give Zuccarello a free pass? His production away from Kaprizov is actually significantly WORSE than Johannson's.  If he is going to be a PP specialist then he should be skating 3rd line minutes. 

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    Finally an article that features the feckless, frustrating, fundamentally-flawed, floating-fluffster, neck-beard Nojo. 

    Hey-hey, ho-ho, NoJo gots to go! (repeat 3x to protest L2/PP2/TOI for Johansson outside the Xcel.)

    😁

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    1 minute ago, Patrick said:

    Nojo gets a lot of criticism and deservingly so...but why does everyone give Zuccarello a free pass? His production away from Kaprizov is actually significantly WORSE than Johannson's.  If he is going to be a PP specialist then he should be skating 3rd line minutes. 

    This was our early criticism of the Norwegian Hobbit. He doesn't really drive play, block shots, separate anyone from the puck, it's all skill and playmaking like in 2v1 scenarios 5v5 or on the PP. 

    Therefore, you're 100% right he's a specialist. For me, it's cause he's got that role and is good there. 75 & 64pts or whatever in the last two seasons plus the PP value it's okay with more fans. NoJo appears to have just thrown in the towel or has lost the script. That's why it's worse IMO compared to Zuccarello who's at least meeting expectations. 

    NoJo made some nice plays this year but was out to lunch way more often. 

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    This is my pipe dream for next year:

    Offense:

    KK-Ek-Boldy (just too damn good to change)

    Zucc-Rossi-Yurov (pretty goal line)

    Moose-Hartman-Ohgren (ugly goal line)

    Shaw-Khus-Freddy (hustle goal line)

    Defense:

    Faber-Brodin (might be #1 pair in the league actually)

    Spurg-Midds (don't write off spurg)

    Bogo-Chisholm (Chisholm grows up)

    Hunt 7D

    Summertime dream:

    NoJo decides to join the ice capades and Merrill joins him.

    All remaining guys join MNCfans training program.

    Ohgren learns how to fight.

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    2 hours ago, Protec said:

    This was our early criticism of the Norwegian Hobbit. He doesn't really drive play, block shots, separate anyone from the puck, it's all skill and playmaking like in 2v1 scenarios 5v5 or on the PP. 

    Therefore, you're 100% right he's a specialist. For me, it's cause he's got that role and is good there. 75 & 64pts or whatever in the last two seasons plus the PP value it's okay with more fans. NoJo appears to have just thrown in the towel or has lost the script. That's why it's worse IMO compared to Zuccarello who's at least meeting expectations. 

    NoJo made some nice plays this year but was out to lunch way more often. 

    Do you like Zuccarello on the 2nd line? IMO he is dragging them down. Especially from a speed and possession standpoint.

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    4 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Danila Yurov is the answer.

    This was exactly what I was thinking, except I had:

    Yurov-Ek-Kaprizov

    Boldy-Rossi-Zuccarello

    Ogie-Dino-Foligno

    Shaw-Hartman-Gaudreau/Johansson

    PK1 would be Ek-Foligno, PK2 would be Shaw-Dino

    PP1 would be Ek, Kaprizov, Boldy, Faber (Ovechkin's office holder)

    PP2 would be Ogie, Rossi, Zuccarello, Yurov, Chisholm

     

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    Hmmmm, I didn't leave room for Ovechkin's office holder in the regular lineup. Perhaps that means both Freddy and Johansson will need to be getting a Des Moines apartment?

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    46 minutes ago, Patrick said:

    Do you like Zuccarello on the 2nd line? IMO he is dragging them down. Especially from a speed and possession standpoint.

    It's a good with the bad type thing. Is #36 a complete player, no. He's a pretty good skill and special teams guy. His chemistry with Kaprizov is pretty valuable & undeniable. 

    Sorta like an anti-goon, you've got some room on the team for roles where one-faceted guys are alright. 60-70pts is good and helps you win. Occasionally, that guy might blow it or cost ya defensively. That's more where I would rely on my coach to get the right guys on the ice situationally. Rossi can still get better I think but beyond the current deal for Zuccarello, I'd say Rossi should take that spot as the small skill guy. Marat can be more of a multi-tool pest and there's your smaller player roles. 

    To move certain guys down the lineup, I think the Wild need an injection of skill & speed. I really like the idea of Yurov joining the Wild. He came to development camp. Went to another level this season and seems hungry. That could be the key to better balance overall for the Wild. If it's one more year wait, then I'd hope NoJo got moved and was replaced by DuClair or another similar upgrade to achieve the balance and energy needed for the Central battles.

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    Rossi is not a number 2 center.  To get something good you have to give up something good.  Rossi, nojo, Freddie, gus, spurgeon, Shaw, laterri, beckman, walker all can be and should be traded.  With all these guys gone and trades and more cap space you can get a decent 2nd line center and also need to get a top 4 big dman. Yurov and height are also a must.  There are so many holes in this team and lack of depth need to start adding now to build to 2025. 

     

     

     

     

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    This was exactly what I was thinking, except I had:

    Yurov-Ek-Kaprizov

    Boldy-Rossi-Zuccarello

    Ogie-Dino-Foligno

    Shaw-Hartman-Gaudreau/Johansson

    PK1 would be Ek-Foligno, PK2 would be Shaw-Dino

    PP1 would be Ek, Kaprizov, Boldy, Faber (Ovechkin's office holder)

    PP2 would be Ogie, Rossi, Zuccarello, Yurov, Chisholm

     

    Love those lines! I think you have the best idea of any line combos I've seen. The only changes I could see happening is zucc moving down and ogie going up if he can outperform and really grow his game. 

    I'd also like to see someone else beat out freddy to add a bit more to the 4th line. Again , that would all depend on how things progress through the season.

    Hopefully hunt, lambos, or peart can up their play to crack into the d corps in case of injury or bogo falling off/Chisholm regressing. Not saying that's going to happen but if this year showed anything, good possibility.

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    To answer the question of this article, I think MN needs to set their two starting goalies and see what money is left over. 

    I like DuClair if MN can sign him. He's fast and has shown he can score goals. That would be an upgrade over NoJo. Otherwise I've suggested other economy options like Michael Amadio, Yakov Trenin, Dominik Kubalik, Jack Roslovic, Nick Cousins, Vladimir Tarasenko, Denis Gurianov, or Barabanov if you wanna go the Rooskyov-route.

    It's a great time to upgrade the middle-tier guys if you can get rid of NoJo especially. 

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    I believe you renegotiate NoJo to a $80k a year x 20 years as the between periods show. He could do triple-axels and wear a leotard. This would be the best move Billy has ever made. 

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    4 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

    Rossi is not a number 2 center.  To get something good you have to give up something good.

    I heard someone talking Wild hockey on the radio saying if they can trade Rossi for a young player who's bigger, faster and more skilled, I think the Wild might do that.

    I was like, yeah, no kidding... No other team is going to trade away a young player that is a more complete player for a smaller, slower, lower skilled player. Why even engage in that hypothetical discussion if that's the conclusion???

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    10 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    I heard someone talking Wild hockey on the radio saying if they can trade Rossi for a young player who's bigger, faster and more skilled, I think the Wild might do that.

    I was like, yeah, no kidding... No other team is going to trade away a young player that is a more complete player for a smaller, slower, lower skilled player. Why even engage in that hypothetical discussion if that's the conclusion???

    The lateral type move, defender or veteran for a young player is not ridiculous. If you're the Wild though, why trade anybody unless it's gonna improve the overall picture? Rossi or Gus would be better off kept in the organization unless you get a guy who makes you better in an area of need. The center situation for the Wild has improved with Ek emerging as a 1C. Yurov or Heidt could be another good center for MN sooner than later. The Wild have enough quality prospects coming that it's possible Guerin could swing a good deal. Another nice young center for Rossi and a prospect or pick could be weighty enough to be fair for both sides perhaps? 

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    33 minutes ago, Protec said:

    Another nice young center for Rossi and a prospect or pick could be weighty enough to be fair for both sides perhaps?

    Rossi, Firstov, and Heidt all going out for a player that is slightly better in all 3 phases than Rossi, I suppose I could see.

    It just seemed ridiculous to think that another team would be looking to trade a bigger, faster, more skilled young player for Rossi. If the Wild were to add enough assets, I guess it could make sense.

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    37 minutes ago, Protec said:

    The lateral type move, defender or veteran for a young player is not ridiculous. If you're the Wild though, why trade anybody unless it's gonna improve the overall picture? Rossi or Gus would be better off kept in the organization unless you get a guy who makes you better in an area of need. The center situation for the Wild has improved with Ek emerging as a 1C. Yurov or Heidt could be another good center for MN sooner than later. The Wild have enough quality prospects coming that it's possible Guerin could swing a good deal. Another nice young center for Rossi and a prospect or pick could be weighty enough to be fair for both sides perhaps? 

    Yes exactly Rossi and a prospect for a good number 2 center.  Then sign Duclair to play center 3.  Then you have all sorts of options.  Ek, new top 2 center, duclair would be great top 3 centers.  Then Yurov, Heidt, kuznidinov, Hartman, all can be wings or center. That’s how you build depth in a hurry.  A line of Foligno, Hartman and Kuznidinov would be a great 4th line. Rossi, Freddie and Nojo  need to be traded as well Gus and Spurgeon.  Then go out and get a big top 4 dman and also a serviceable 3rd pair guy for competition and you are going to have a playoff team and in 2025 you can bring in 2 or 3 more free agents to build more yet.

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    With Johansson still under contract next yr a positive could be he actually plays like he did after he came over in the trade. Putting up numbers like that can get him another contract (not from the Wild) to continue in the league and that seems like the type of motivation he has.

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    4 minutes ago, punch_cut said:

    With Johansson still under contract next yr a positive could be he actually plays like he did after he came over in the trade. Putting up numbers like that can get him another contract (not from the Wild) to continue in the league and that seems like the type of motivation he has.

    Possible, but there's so many low cost UFAs available, I wonder if a buyout might be worth considering for the NoJo roster spot. Especially with young players coming up too.

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    What is with this Rossi trade crap?

    You really want to trade a 22 year old kid who just tallied 41 points in his rookie year?  A possible Calder finalist, and you want him to go because why?  He isn't 7' tall and can't skate the rink in 2.7 seconds and "TAKE THE BODY" of the biggest bruisers in your imagination?  Seriously? 

    Hrmm, let's look back a few years, ah, yes, Eriksson Ek played 75 games in 17-18 and scored, oh, 16 points.  I guess we should have traded him, he's obviously worthless. 18-19 14pts, 19-20 29pts, wait it took him 6 years to develop?!?!?!?!  BLASPHEMY!!!  He should have been gone years ago.

    I get that Rossi is not the natural superstar talent of KK97 and Faber, but that is not the point.  He is solid and obviously developing into a damn good player through hard work that hits notes the Wild have been missing (aka secondary scoring.)  Fucking quit it with the trade tripe.

    On another note, why isn't there an article about Faber playing with fractured ribs?  https://www.startribune.com/wild-season-brock-faber-fractured-ribs-filip-gustavsson-jesper-wallestedt/600360321/  I seriously cannot imagine the pain that kid played through this year.  Damn.

     

    -I.

     

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    Yeah I don't get the dishonorable discharge of Rossi. A young center who is developing quickly who actually wants to be here. He is on record stating he owes his life to the Wild medical staff. Some people might recognize this as a motivation, a drive, a desire to succeed and he is proving he has all that.  But for some reason we want to run him out of town in exchange for whatever we can get and start over again. The crazy thing is I can see it happening because I don't think he is one of Billy's boys. He is not old enough and has no Penguin ties and he has never given another  teammate or opposing player a double handed chop on the back of the neck with his stick, in other words no grit. So yeah he probably needs to go. I mean the kid couldn't grow a neck beard if he wanted to he just doesn't fit in. Rossi has proven much more than the Knut Russian but we love the Knut right? Why exactly? I haven't seen much from him. He's small and fast in a league of big and fast. But if a trade rumor existed about him this board would melt down.

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    Nothing against Rossi as he is very talented but in the division and conference we play in we need bigger centers that are fast.  Not only does Rossi not have size but his initial speed burst isnt great.  His value will never be higher so now is a great time to look at a trade to upgrade center 2.  You can’t get attached to players to make a great team which seams like this fan base and GM loves to do.  If you have an opportunity to make the team better by a trade then you do it.  Same reason why spurgeon should be traded is that he is a great regular season player but in the playoffs gets pushed around a lot and to take up 7.5mm you can get much more out there.  Both Rossi and Spurg would be good in the East but the west just needs a different type of player and now is the time to start making big changes so people don’t get comfortable and earn a spot. In response to Knut he is going to be a 4th line type guy and not expected to be more than that and also has much more lower body strength and speed than Rossi.  

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    9 hours ago, Wanderinginmn said:

    What is with this Rossi trade crap?

    You really want to trade a 22 year old kid who just tallied 41 points in his rookie year?  A possible Calder finalist, and you want him to go because why?  He isn't 7' tall and can't skate the rink in 2.7 seconds and "TAKE THE BODY" of the biggest bruisers in your imagination?  Seriously? 

    Hrmm, let's look back a few years, ah, yes, Eriksson Ek played 75 games in 17-18 and scored, oh, 16 points.  I guess we should have traded him, he's obviously worthless. 18-19 14pts, 19-20 29pts, wait it took him 6 years to develop?!?!?!?!  BLASPHEMY!!!  He should have been gone years ago.

    I get that Rossi is not the natural superstar talent of KK97 and Faber, but that is not the point.  He is solid and obviously developing into a damn good player through hard work that hits notes the Wild have been missing (aka secondary scoring.)  Fucking quit it with the trade tripe.

    On another note, why isn't there an article about Faber playing with fractured ribs?  https://www.startribune.com/wild-season-brock-faber-fractured-ribs-filip-gustavsson-jesper-wallestedt/600360321/  I seriously cannot imagine the pain that kid played through this year.  Damn.

     

    -I.

     

     

    22 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

    Yeah I don't get the dishonorable discharge of Rossi. A young center who is developing quickly who actually wants to be here. He is on record stating he owes his life to the Wild medical staff. Some people might recognize this as a motivation, a drive, a desire to succeed and he is proving he has all that.  But for some reason we want to run him out of town in exchange for whatever we can get and start over again. The crazy thing is I can see it happening because I don't think he is one of Billy's boys. He is not old enough and has no Penguin ties and he has never given another  teammate or opposing player a double handed chop on the back of the neck with his stick, in other words no grit. So yeah he probably needs to go. I mean the kid couldn't grow a neck beard if he wanted to he just doesn't fit in. Rossi has proven much more than the Knut Russian but we love the Knut right? Why exactly? I haven't seen much from him. He's small and fast in a league of big and fast. But if a trade rumor existed about him this board would melt down.

     

    Nice arguments here gentleman!

    I disliked Rossi early on because I thought he had been obligated to get experimental medical injection passports or had been attacked by man-made genetically modified flu. Either way, peer-reviewed data on those subjects was conclusively negative overall. We can be honest about this now, I thought Rossi's heart was a huge concern. There have been promising efforts to expel spike-proteins with theraputics, so thankfully for Rossi he's healthy and will stay away from Big-Farma deceptions as we all should.(Euro soccer players dropping like flies.) Combine that with just one great OHL season and timid early showing, I wasn't convinced.

    Now that he's healthy and has had a great rookie season, we've seen some really positive stuff. At the same time Rossi is a small, offensive guy. Like a Granlund or PMB, or less lizardly Zuccarello. That's where I think some Wild fans will say, "I've seen this one before"...

    That's what gets the wheels turning and debate fired-up. MN finally has some assets and has had time to evaluate a "top prospect group" according to NHL pundits.

    At this point there are potentially a ton of decisions to make for the team's true window to win and contend. NoJo, Fred, Foligno, Merrill, Zuccarello might catch the early part of it, but the bigger picture view includes more of the younger core.

    In that context, what does GMBG do with all the young players that will need to plug into the group and at what costs? By now MN has seen a few years from a bunch of nice draft selections and the cream has risen to the top for the most part. To the point you guys made, Knudi has now had some serious NA hockey to gauge his future too. Would I be super upset if he was traded? Not as long as the Wild get a good return.

    Summary of the Rossi argument for me is that he's a nice offensive player, but not a dominant complete player. The suggestions of a trade could include a bunch of young players, but Rossi would likely have the greatest value. Therefore, Rossi or Knudi & Gus would allow the Wild to get an important player back and manage their cap future. It is not something to do if you're desperate for offense, but MN has been okay scoring. There's other areas to improve so now that the Wild see things shaping up, what happens with their youth movement has to be determined. Rossi, or Knudi having good showings puts them in a category of valuable young players you need either way to improve the roster. I'm less rigid about how that happens. 

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