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  • Guerin Should Resist Temptation For Veteran Extensions This Summer


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    Justin Wiggins

    $290 million. That’s how much Marvel’s newest blockbuster, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, raked in during its first weekend of release this month. And yet we all will groan when Disney announces another superhero movie is in production.

    Another one? Really? WHY!?

    Because no matter how many superhero movies they force-feed us, people will inevitably pack the movie theatres at 15 bucks a pop to watch. It’s an easier return on investment than buying a house. A Marvel movie is more of a sure thing than a bet placed on any Minnesota men's sports team to not win a championship.

    When it comes to a return on investment, it’s wise to jump on the sure thing. When it comes to aging hockey players in their mid-30s? Proceed with caution.

    Even more so when it comes to a duo of forwards entering the final year of their contracts with the Minnesota Wild. Marcus Foligno and Mats Zuccarello will be eligible for extensions this year. And while it’s unlikely GM Bill Guerin will do so in the off-season, he’s had a penchant for extending players mid-season if they are playing well.

    But no matter how good they look at any point during the 2023-24 season, Guerin should wait. Both vets have expressed a desire to continue playing in Minnesota, which is a place many NHLers desire to play for a number of reasons. That's good to have a culture and area where people want to stay. But the message should be clear: If you want to play here beyond next season, prove it in the playoffs.

    That might sound a bit harsh, but the reality is that both players have disappeared in the postseason in their time donning a Wild sweater. Especially Zuccarello, whose playoff disappointments have typically followed excellent regular seasons.

    With that, let’s start with Kirill Kaprizov’s best friend and Norwegian linemate. In his three seasons with Kaprizov, Zuccarello has averaged 0.30 goals and 0.95 points per game, including a persona best campaign in 2021-22. In the playoffs during that same span? He has just three goals (0.30 per game) and 13 points (0.68) in 19 games. And that doesn't count the assist in four games Zuccarello had for Minnesota during the COVID bubble or his 31 points in 60 playoff games with the New York Rangers.

    In each of the last three postseasons, he remained stapled to Kaprizov’s side, barring elimination-game scrambling. Kaprizov has occasionally experienced his own playoff struggles, but it's alarming that Zuccarello's production disappears annually in the postseason.

    It’s not just his time with the Wild. The Athletic’s Dom Luszczyszyn identified Zuccarello as a player who struggled in the playoffs throughout his career. For context, if we treated his career postseason scoring rate as its own season, Zuccarello's 0.57 points per game would be tied for his second-worst full season. Only his rookie year was worse, and his playoff scoring rate is exactly what it was in his first year with the Wild, when his contract looked like a disaster.

    It’s a trend that can’t be ignored, especially now that he hasn’t been able to provide any help to the Wild’s franchise winger when he needs it most.

    What about Foligno? He's never been a regular season point producer like Zuccarello, but he’s been a more than capable contributor in a bottom-six role. And his playoff statistics are even more concerning than Zuccarello’s. All five of Foligno’s trips to the postseason have been in a Forest Green sweater. His 0.07 goals per game is less than half that of his regular season pace, with only two goals total in 28 games. And while “Moose” has averaged 0.39 points per game during his six regular seasons in Minnesota, that number has dropped to 0.25 come playoff time.

    Even more alarming? The playoffs are traditionally where big, skilled wingers are supposed to flourish. And whether it’s his scoring woes or difficulties with the officials, Foligno has struggled to make a positive impact for the Wild when the calendar flips to April.

    This may seem extreme and too short-sighted, given what just happened in the playoffs. But these trends have continued for quite some time.

    The Wild might have three more seasons left on Kaprizov’s contract. But in reality, they really only have two years (at most) to convince their superstar he can win in Minnesota. It’s difficult to imagine the Wild want to enter the final year of his contract without an extension in fear of getting Gaborik'd. So while Guerin may not view this latest first-round exit as a failure, they cannot afford to waste another postseason run on a feeble first-round exit while their superstar is still in his prime and under contract.

    For those reasons, no matter how productive of a regular season they are having, Guerin needs to hold off on any contract extension talks. Instead, he needs to use the biggest motivator he has available to him: the carrot of free agency. If Foligno and Zuccarello truly wish to play in Minnesota beyond this season as much as they’ve expressed, then they need to start producing when it matters most. 

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    Foligno, Dumba, Zuccarello, and even Spurge (gasp) are starting to get that Coyle/Nino/Zucker old-core smell about them.  Can't get over the hump smell.  Soon time to discard the old core group and re-boot the team.  Window will close on 97's contract.  Hope his prime years aren't surrounded by a bunch of Iowa journeyman and high end "prospects"

    I respect BG for having the courage to cut ties with Parise/Suter (they were clearly toxic) and I hope Leopold gave him a 5-7 year leash because if our top draft picks don't pan out and start contributing as early as next two seasons (Rossi, Beckman, Kuze, Ohgren, Yurov) BG is going to need all 7 years....right at the time 97 goes to the Lightning/Panthers.

    #HottakeFriday

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    The inability to produce in the playoffs is definitely a problem.  But what is worse is our PK.  For me, that is a blatant coaching problem.  Fix the PK and this team may have gotten past Dallas.  

    As for who we keep and who we send packing:  It all depends on what players are willing to sign for.  Zuc isn't $6M AAV... not sure he ever was.  Are Zuc and Foligno worth $2 to $3M AAV?   I have to think the answer to that is yes.

    Of course much of this depends on the IA players.  There are several players in IA that appear to be ready or extremely close to joining the big club.  Add in that Dewar, Duhaime and Shaw should be looking for more minutes next season as well.  They earned it.

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    49 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Foligno, Dumba, Zuccarello, and even Spurge (gasp) are starting to get that Coyle/Nino/Zucker old-core smell about them.  Can't get over the hump smell.  Soon time to discard the old core group and re-boot the team.  Window will close on 97's contract.  Hope his prime years aren't surrounded by a bunch of Iowa journeyman and high end "prospects"

    I respect BG for having the courage to cut ties with Parise/Suter (they were clearly toxic) and I hope Leopold gave him a 5-7 year leash because if our top draft picks don't pan out and start contributing as early as next two seasons (Rossi, Beckman, Kuze, Ohgren, Yurov) BG is going to need all 7 years....right at the time 97 goes to the Lightning/Panthers.

    #HottakeFriday

    We’ve all heard the stories about Suter.  He obviously wasn’t the greatest presence in the room.

    But, the guy is a game away from the Western Conference Finals right now. Why isn’t his attitude nuking Dallas? It’s fair to start asking, was it really those two that were holding this team back?  Or, is it just the overall loser culture that has seemed to persist with them gone?  The culture permeates everything in Minnesota, not only the sports teams.  “Minnesota nice” needs to be renamed to “Minnesota scared.” It hangs in the air in this state like a fog.  

    Agree on Spurgeon, etc.  It’s just time to move on.  His “hard work and having fun” thing that’s gone viral makes me sick.  That’s the captain of our hockey team, and we wonder why this team has curled into the fetal position in the playoffs.  I get he’s a great guy, and that’s wonderful.  If the team needs a babysitter for their kids, he’s perfect for the job.  He’s clearly not the guy you want scrumming with the big nasties in the playoffs.

    I had already resigned myself to the fact that we’ve wasted Kaprisov.  But, I’m starting to wonder whether there is really anything to waste.  The regular season numbers are great.  Good for him.  It’s fun to watch and made him money.  But, he’s been completely neutralized in 2 of the last 3 playoff series.  He’s a -5 in his playoff career with 12 points in 19 games.  That’s not going to get it done.  He had 1 point in 6 games this year.  He still has to prove he can handle playoff hockey before I can say we’re wasting a generational talent.

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    Just curious, but is anyone else seeing this article looking like a cut and paste effort? Content is good, I'm not complaining, it just looks different, like it's in quote mode.

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    14 minutes ago, Beast said:

    Or, is it just the overall loser culture that has seemed to persist with them gone?  The culture permeates everything in Minnesota, not only the sports teams.  “Minnesota nice” needs to be renamed to “Minnesota scared.” It hangs in the air in this state like a fog.  

    It's been a long time since I lived up there, but I never thought we were "scared." What has happened? When I left, Bud Grant seemed to personify the area with his stoic, disciplined attitude. There'd also been a bit of an underdog mentality. 

    So, what's changed?

    By the way, for those wondering, Canes punched their ticket into the conference finals, Go Canes!

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    2 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    The inability to produce in the playoffs is definitely a problem.  But what is worse is our PK.  For me, that is a blatant coaching problem.  Fix the PK and this team may have gotten past Dallas.  

    As for who we keep and who we send packing:  It all depends on what players are willing to sign for.  Zuc isn't $6M AAV... not sure he ever was.  Are Zuc and Foligno worth $2 to $3M AAV?   I have to think the answer to that is yes.

    Of course much of this depends on the IA players.  There are several players in IA that appear to be ready or extremely close to joining the big club.  Add in that Dewar, Duhaime and Shaw should be looking for more minutes next season as well.  They earned it.

    I wonder if it's still best just to take your proposed combined $6M in cap space for those two and move on. Zuccarello is going to be approaching Pavelski-aged territory if he plays on an extension and Foligno is dangerously close to  that point when guys of his size fall off a cliff. 

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    11 minutes ago, Justin Wiggins said:

    I wonder if it's still best just to take your proposed combined $6M in cap space for those two and move on. Zuccarello is going to be approaching Pavelski-aged territory if he plays on an extension and Foligno is dangerously close to  that point when guys of his size fall off a cliff. 

    No doubt.   If both players were traded away that would be $9M in cap space.  You can sign some darn good players at $4.5M. 

    My thought was that at $2M to $3M AAV for each player they would be solid 3rd and 4th line players.  Let the young guys play more minutes.  

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    Better one year too early than too late. 
     

    For me, Foligno and Zuccarello are replaceable guys. I would say Nyqvuist and Sundqvuiisst could have replaced those two for one third of the cost and no loss in productivity. Did Foligno’s flying around hitting everybody win the series? Did Zuccarello’s grade A conversions in game 3 put the Wild over the top? 
     

    I can’t get over it. Carolina and FL both going deep and took the 2020 guys our sights were on. Both of them doing pretty nice.

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    On 5/12/2023 at 1:34 PM, Beast said:

    We’ve all heard the stories about Suter.  He obviously wasn’t the greatest presence in the room.

    But, the guy is a game away from the Western Conference Finals right now. Why isn’t his attitude nuking Dallas? It’s fair to start asking, was it really those two that were holding this team back?...

     

    Because Suter doesn't have the owner on speed dial in Dallas so he can't go over the coach and GMs head and wreak havoc with impunity while being a divisive cancer in the locker room.

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    I've said this before on other sites regarding "Minnesota Nice" permeating our sports culture, but most on the Twins who I follow closely.

    Yankees in the playoffs "This is what we've worked towards all year and it's nice to be in the playoffs, but it's just the next step to move past as our goal every year is to win the World Series. We're going to go out there as professionals and if we play our game, we expect to win."

    Twins in the playoffs "We're excited to be part of the postseason again and we're looking forward to the opportunity to compete. They have a really great team, but if we play our best, we've got a good chance to win."

    Expectation. Attitude. Confidence. Minnesota teams in the playoffs = trash, utter trash, and I think it comes from "Minnesota Nice." Don't have swagger. Don't presume you're the best. Be modest, max out sportsmanship and egoless. Minnesota teams change their game plans. What worked all year gets tossed into a bucket, the teams clamp down and do everything they can to try and avoid mistakes. They play scared. The Twins do it. The Vikings have done it. The Wild do it. Maybe the Wolves would do it? (hard to say here, haha)

    Play your game. The game that got you to where you are and see what happens. That's what championship teams do. The Wild abandoned their game in this series, lost all their confidence and turned to the desperation of dump n chase. At least that's what I saw.

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    Anyway, regarding the topic directly, I expect GMBG will make prudent decisions. His choices so far have been excellent in my opinion. No team is playing with a bigger handicap than the Wild. Most fans didn't even expect the Wild to be competitive this year, but they muddled through and made a big impact in the regular season at least. The Suter and Parise buyouts were bold, decisive and absolutely the moves needed to move this team towards the Stanley Cup faster. I think GMBG has been excellently pragmatic.

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