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    Justin Hein

    It’s been a trying few weeks for Minnesota Wild fans. Injuries to Jonas Brodin, Jake Middleton, and Joel Eriksson Ek, just to name a few, have slowed down what started as a potentially historic 2024-25 season. After losing last season to injuries, it’s enough to make even the most optimistic fans queasy. 

    Allow me to serve you a tonic of sorts. Take a sip of the Forest Green Kool-Aid. 

    It’s fairly typical of NHL GMs to make shortsighted moves because they want to maximize job security. However, that often results in a vicious cycle of mediocre playoff pushes followed by winless rebuilds. It’s one of the reasons that Minnesota sports fans dread the words “competitive rebuild.” 

    But Bill Guerin seems to have pulled it off. Not only are the Wild primed to compete for a Stanley Cup, they didn’t have to mortgage their future to do it. 

    The contracts Guerin has signed deep into the future have usually eaten into today’s salary cap to make more space later. He’s also solidified that future with high-end prospects. Most recently, he shored up the future of the defense by acquiring David Jiricek

    The Wild also never had to trudge through multiple seasons at the bottom of the league standings. The worst came last year when injuries derailed an otherwise competitive roster. 

    Minnesota’s resulting roster seems too good to be true, given that it didn’t require a lot of pain to build it. Over the past four seasons, Minnesota has placed ninth, fifth, 11th, and 20th in the NHL standings. Say what you will about the playoff failures, but those seasons all provided fans with 82 games of excellent hockey aside from the injury-riddled 2023-24 campaign. 

    Usually, that type of performance drains the prospect pipeline. That has not been the case for the Wild. They are set up nicely for the immediate future as well as the distant future. 

    Prepare to be visited by three spirits: the ghost of Wild Present, Wild Immediate Future, and Wild Distant Future. Remember to take it with a grain of salt, as these are not the shadows of what Will be but shadows of the things that May be, only

    Wild Present

    A cleverer writer may have tabbed this section of the post “result of roster moves past,” but, regrettably, that was not in the budget. 

    There is still much ink to spill on this year’s team. Also, fans have already decided how good or bad the Wild will be this year. 

    Rather than trying to argue that topic one way or another, it’s more relevant to discuss the roster-building strategy that supported winning this season despite $14.75 million in dead cap. 

    First, consider the limited roster space for developmental players like Liam Ohgren. While the Wild gave him the opportunity to play on the opening night roster, they sent him down to play in Iowa after the coaching staff decided to play Marcus Johansson in the top six. They must believe Johansson gives them a better chance to win each night, and they’ve prioritized that over handing top-six minutes to Ohgren as a learning experience. 

    Guerin also signed Ryan Hartman, Marcus Foligno, Yakov Trenin, and Zach Bogosian in free agency. Each of those contracts carries cap hits into future years. Also, like most free-agent contracts, they carry greater value in the first few years of the contract. 

    Based on that logic, contracts for Jonas Brodin, Jared Spurgeon, and Jake Middleton fall into the same category. They borrow cap from the future to ensure those players are available now, even if they’ll become inefficient later. 

    All six veterans play a key role in shoring up Minnesota’s league-leading defensive effort. Without that elite defense, it’s unlikely the Wild would have been capable of such a promising performance this year. 

    If those moves aren’t clear enough evidence that Guerin wants to win this year, take it from owner Craig Leipold. He identified 2024-25 as the second year of a five-year Stanley Cup window. 

    Wild Immediate Future

    Doesn’t it seem like the Wild are always promising they are just a few years away from a Stanley Cup? If you’re skeptical, take note of the upcoming roster from 2025-26 through 2027-28. 

    They have budding star Matt Boldy signed at $7 million per year. Joel Eriksson Ek at $5.25 million. Brock Faber, Zeev Buium, Jared Spurgeon, Jake Middleton, and Jonas Brodin manning the blue line. The Wild already have efficient deals for the cornerstones of the roster in place. 

    $13 million in cap relief from the Parise and Suter buyouts kicks in next season, as well as another $2 million from Johansson’s contract. 

    Kirill Kaprizov’s next contract is the boogeyman for this timeframe. However, an increasing salary cap and expiring contracts for Mats Zuccarello and Bogosian create space for Kaprizov’s raise. As for concerns about whether he wants to re-sign in Minnesota, his Hart Trophy scoring pace should assuage them. He should have no qualms that the Wild put him in winning positions. 

    The most valuable part of a Kaprizov extension is that the Wild will pay him through his prime years. Kaprizov turns 28 this fall, meaning he’ll play his age-28, -29, and -30 seasons to close out Leipold’s five-year plan. Even if his contract breaks the bank, it’s incredibly rare for a free agent contract to be inefficient over its first few years -- especially for players in their late-20’s. 

    There are so many sweeteners in the roster moves the Wild made that overlap with Kaprizov’s prime. They are specifically efficient for the 2026, 2027, and 2028 seasons. Marco Rossi seems primed for a bridge contract rather than an eight-year deal, making him more expensive in his prime but cheaper for those three seasons. Marat Khusnutdinov and Jesper Wallstedt will also present two more opportunities for efficient bridge contracts. 

    Similarly, entry-level deals for David Jiricek, Zeev Buium, Liam Ohgren, and Danila Yurov will pay their highest dividends in those three seasons. As good as Minnesota looks this year, their next three years already have great pieces with a cap-space safety net to fill roster holes. 

    Wild Distant Future

    Lots of general managers can build a team with a four-year competitive window. After that, they typically end up where the New York Rangers are right now -- spiraling and about to lose their job. 

    Rather than get onto that track, Bill Guerin appears to have set the Wild up to remain competitive even after the five-year plan. 

    A year ago, that wasn’t the outward appearance. It looked like Guerin was fixated on winning immediately. He was handing out veteran contracts left and right. Specifically, he seemed to have a thing for physical, shot-blocking players on the wrong side of 30. Jake Middleton, Marcus Foligno, and Yakov Trenin typically don’t have long careers because of their playstyle's toll on their body. Signing players like that into their mid-30s normally results in low-value contracts. 

    Turn the page to July 29, 2024, when Brock Faber signed for eight years rather than a bridge contract. Brock Faber would not have hit unrestricted free agency until the 2030 offseason -- well after the end of the five-year plan. A bridge deal for Faber could have saved about $13 million between 2025-26 and 2029-30. 

    The upshot of a long deal is that Faber only costs $8.5 million against the cap in the final three years of the contract. It’s akin to the final years of Boldy’s current contract. The difference between Faber and Boldy’s contracts is that Boldy’s most efficient years come during the five-year window, while Fabers come after it. 

    David Jiricek is a similar acquisition in that he may take several years to develop to his peak. By then, Minnesota’s Cup window will probably be past, with Jiricek playing a lesser role rather than a cornerstone role in that window. Regarding Guerin’s job security, trading an NHL-ready defenseman in Daemon Hunt and four draft picks in the package may not be prudent. 

    However, Jiricek could become a future cornerstone, playing alongside Yurov, Ohgren, Faber, and Buium. Minnesota won’t be able to lean on efficient deals for Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Kaprizov. By then, those players will likely be expensive veterans. 

    It’s rare for NHL executives to think that far into the future. They don’t expect to work for one team for that long. Maybe Bill Guerin thinks he will, or perhaps he doesn’t care. 

    Either way, he’s stewarded the Wild into an enviable position. 

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    59 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

    Isn't this horse beat to death enough yet?

    After all, this is where we as fans come to drive home our opinions. It may be seen as “beating a dead horse” but sometimes the horse has post-mortem muscle spasms.

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     Generally I'm an optimist but sometimes I do see the sense in ODCs position. I can't guarantee either of us are right. For me though, I think KK will resign and with our prospects, we're going to be a force in 25-26 and 26-27.

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    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    if he gets to 30 goals he will get an offer sheet and we will pay up. 

    Let's just see where the offersheet comes in. It helped the Canes retain Aho at a reasonable price.

     

    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    Sure, but this year he is locked in.

    So far he is locked in. This can change at the drop of a hat. Sometimes the puck looks like a beachball, other times it looks like a golf ball. You never can tell when the switch comes. It's simply inconsistent. 

    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    Two unknowns? Let's not get over excited until they play ONE game.

    I'm really excited about them. But, I also have tempered expectations. There will be an acclimation period. Best case scenario, they plug in like Faber, however, average case scenario, they will struggle a bit and get beat on moves they've never seen. But, these are the guys that will help us win. 

    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    That's scary. At least Fleury can win some games. Wally is just not playable for a team that is trying to win. 

    You can't just look at stats, you have to look at the progression, and how he sets up for shots. Is he on his angles? Is he calm? Are the goals being scored on him a fundamentals problem or are they a getting acclimated problem? At this point, I think The Wall can handle bottom 16 teams which is about where Fleury is. Fleury will diminish, The Wall will keep putting bricks in his wall. The A isn't doing him any favors right now, he needs NHL game shots to improve. He will improve.

    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    No just no. Too unfair for the kid. He is no Demidov - that is who will run away with Calder. 

    Do we know if Demidov is coming over next year?

    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    cheap yes. How much time will they take and who will become "nice" is still very much unknown. 

    I believe all will become nice. But, it's not time to be selling off all of our vets just yet. There will be some transition, but we'll still need some of the vets. 

    On 12/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    Decide now - you want to continue with slow build (without Kap) or aggressive run with him. There is no combo. 

    I don't believe there isn't a combo. I think Kaprizov sees what's coming and can get behind it. When he's deciding on his next deal, he's not looking behind him, he's looking ahead of him. It's not about whether we made 1 run at a cup, it's if we're set up to make multiple runs. 

    I realize you didn't say anything about Pominvilles and Hanzals, that wasn't the point, the point was that was who Fletcher went after. If B. Tkachuk is available you pounce. If Tuch becomes available, you pounce. But not just anybody. For instance, I wouldn't really touch Connor Garland as was suggested by someone. I'm looking for someone signed longterm, or someone we can reasonably resign somewhere in their mid 20s who have skill and size. But, those aren't usually the guys that are available at the deadline. 

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    On 12/25/2024 at 8:54 AM, OldDutchChip said:

    how can you make a run after being number 1 team and having an mvp year from your superstar....then pulling on a break....bringing 4-6 young players......and expect to win and still have excited kap too? that is some crazy planning. 

    Who's putting on the brakes? Adding the young guys is not putting on the brakes. There was always going to be a period where young guys replaced older guys. Shooter has done a fantastic job of shielding the kids and not trading them away. He's marinated them until they're ready. I would suspect that they will have similar projections to who they replace, except they'll be on an upward trend and not a lowering trend. 

    Kaprizov took it personally not making the playoffs last season. He came out like gangbusters this season, and has willed us to several victories. But, coming into the year, what were the expectations? To make the playoffs. Sure we were on top of the league, but that was about banking points, not about the President's trophy. This team is not a President's trophy team even with an MVP candidate. This team is a WC team that if the injury luck treks in our direction, we could maybe pull an upset to get to round 2. 

    I'm also good to make hockey trades, but I'm not ok with overpaying (except for Tkachuk) for players who are in the Pominville/Hanzal class. In 2016/17, I thought promoting from within was the best way to go. Hanzal never fit in the locker room and was a disaster. Haula was doing fine as a 3rd line C. I don't want something like that to happen again. We gave up close to the same assets for Jiricek as we did for Hanzal, betting on what Jiricek will do vs. what Hanzal had already done. If there's some other 26 year old candidates out there, I'll be happy to listen.

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    6 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Let's just see where the offersheet comes in. It helped the Canes retain Aho at a reasonable price.

     

    So far he is locked in. This can change at the drop of a hat. Sometimes the puck looks like a beachball, other times it looks like a golf ball. You never can tell when the switch comes. It's simply inconsistent. 

    I'm really excited about them. But, I also have tempered expectations. There will be an acclimation period. Best case scenario, they plug in like Faber, however, average case scenario, they will struggle a bit and get beat on moves they've never seen. But, these are the guys that will help us win. 

    You can't just look at stats, you have to look at the progression, and how he sets up for shots. Is he on his angles? Is he calm? Are the goals being scored on him a fundamentals problem or are they a getting acclimated problem? At this point, I think The Wall can handle bottom 16 teams which is about where Fleury is. Fleury will diminish, The Wall will keep putting bricks in his wall. The A isn't doing him any favors right now, he needs NHL game shots to improve. He will improve.

    Do we know if Demidov is coming over next year?

    I believe all will become nice. But, it's not time to be selling off all of our vets just yet. There will be some transition, but we'll still need some of the vets. 

    I don't believe there isn't a combo. I think Kaprizov sees what's coming and can get behind it. When he's deciding on his next deal, he's not looking behind him, he's looking ahead of him. It's not about whether we made 1 run at a cup, it's if we're set up to make multiple runs. 

    I realize you didn't say anything about Pominvilles and Hanzals, that wasn't the point, the point was that was who Fletcher went after. If B. Tkachuk is available you pounce. If Tuch becomes available, you pounce. But not just anybody. For instance, I wouldn't really touch Connor Garland as was suggested by someone. I'm looking for someone signed longterm, or someone we can reasonably resign somewhere in their mid 20s who have skill and size. But, those aren't usually the guys that are available at the deadline. 

    Billy may be a bit sneaky and resting Kap to see if Rossi/Boldy can drive the team. So far - not good, but i'd play Rossi and Boldy separately and see who responds. If neither, i think Rossi will not see an offer sheet nor a new Wild contract and will be traded this year.

    Wally development - i concede i do not watch him closely and have only seen him a bit here when he played. i am hoping he turns this thing around - we need him in net next year to support Gus. 

    From what i am hearing - Demidov is coming. 

    I think Kaprizov sees what's coming and can get behind it. When he's deciding on his next deal, he's not looking behind him, he's looking ahead of him. It's not about whether we made 1 run at a cup, it's if we're set up to make multiple runs.  Kaprizov is not 25, he will be 28 at the end of this year and 29 when his next contract starts. He has not been in the business of waiting. He has won it all on all the stages except in NHL. He is in his Prime now. I just don't see the attraction from his side - the group that he battled with will be replaced by youth. Zuccy - gone. Six year of no winning.....not ONE playoff series win.....If we break on this year - it's over. 

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    2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Who's putting on the brakes? Adding the young guys is not putting on the brakes. There was always going to be a period where young guys replaced older guys. Shooter has done a fantastic job of shielding the kids and not trading them away. He's marinated them until they're ready. I would suspect that they will have similar projections to who they replace, except they'll be on an upward trend and not a lowering trend. 

    Kaprizov took it personally not making the playoffs last season. He came out like gangbusters this season, and has willed us to several victories. But, coming into the year, what were the expectations? To make the playoffs. Sure we were on top of the league, but that was about banking points, not about the President's trophy. This team is not a President's trophy team even with an MVP candidate. This team is a WC team that if the injury luck treks in our direction, we could maybe pull an upset to get to round 2. 

    I'm also good to make hockey trades, but I'm not ok with overpaying (except for Tkachuk) for players who are in the Pominville/Hanzal class. In 2016/17, I thought promoting from within was the best way to go. Hanzal never fit in the locker room and was a disaster. Haula was doing fine as a 3rd line C. I don't want something like that to happen again. We gave up close to the same assets for Jiricek as we did for Hanzal, betting on what Jiricek will do vs. what Hanzal had already done. If there's some other 26 year old candidates out there, I'll be happy to listen.

    wild started out hot. kap is on a heater. gus is a vezina trophy finalist for sure. you think after this HIGH it will be no biggie if wild whimper to the finish line? this HAS to be a good year. at least to the second round. to do that wild have to PRY someone away and be willing to over pay a bit. but its a better route than alternative - team without Kap

     

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    3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    but its a better route than alternative - team without Kap

    I guess I'm just not too afraid of the team without Kap. I think he's going to re-sign. 

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    1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I guess I'm just not too afraid of the team without Kap. I think he's going to re-sign. 

    33% he is with Wild 

    33% he is with Philly or NY team

    33% he is in Florida

    1% he is in Chicago

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    Just now, OldDutchChip said:

    33% he is with Wild 

    33% he is with Philly or NY team

    33% he is in Florida

    1% he is in Chicago

    I would put it over 50% he is with the Wild. NYR has been shedding cap as if they're expecting something big to happen, Philly is a dumpster fire, FL teams have a lot of cap to shed if he could even go there, and few assets to give should he be traded. I think both of them, however, are moving past their windows and he'd be catching them on the tail end. 

    This is the place to be for an up and coming team ready to challenge. It's got almost everything he'd want. I believe he likes it here.

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    1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I would put it over 50% he is with the Wild. NYR has been shedding cap as if they're expecting something big to happen, Philly is a dumpster fire, FL teams have a lot of cap to shed if he could even go there, and few assets to give should he be traded. I think both of them, however, are moving past their windows and he'd be catching them on the tail end. 

    This is the place to be for an up and coming team ready to challenge. It's got almost everything he'd want. I believe he likes it here.

    NYR NJD are the teams on the east that i think have a shot at him. PHI too with Mitchkov and hiring one of Kaprizov's ex coaches to be on their team was a sneaky move. Tampa can find a way too. 

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    3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    NYR NJD are the teams on the east that i think have a shot at him. PHI too with Mitchkov and hiring one of Kaprizov's ex coaches to be on their team was a sneaky move. Tampa can find a way too. 

    ....or KHL?????

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