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    Tony Abbott

    No Kirill Kaprizov? No problem.

    At least, that was the case with Marco Rossi for a while. When the Minnesota Wild's superstar winger went down with injury just before Christmas, he left his center in a tricky spot. Rossi was enjoying a true breakout season, with 12 goals and 28 points through 35 games. Those were impressive numbers. Still, how long would they last without Kaprizov's ability to set up and finish golden scoring chances?

    Improbably, Rossi shone even brighter without Kaprizov. From December 27 to February 25, Rossi had nine goals and 22 points in 23 games -- nearly being a point-per-game player. On February 25, the sophomore center was on-pace for a 30-goal, 71-point season.

    But after two months and the injury of power-play presence Joel Eriksson Ek, we finally saw the Wild's losses catch up to Rossi. Starting February 27, he scored only one goal and had five points in 17 games. What happened? Has he struggled with being one of two or three forwards Minnesota can count on for reliable offense? Is he just getting exhausted down the stretch?

    "I think some of the detail things and the focus things can be a little bit better, along with our team," John Hynes told The Athletic on Monday. "I think it’s kind of seeped into [our] game just a tad... like it’s not bad, but there’s a little bit of a missed assignment. It’s just off in those areas."

    However, Rossi showed signs of life against the New York Rangers on Wednesday. There are things to nitpick about his game. He was a minus-two and went 1-for-14 in the faceoff dot. Still, he made an impact offensively. Rossi scored the goal that tied the game at 4-4, ultimately delivering the Wild a point. He also was a consistent offensive threat, launching five shots on goal, his most since December 31. 

    Is there more to come? Looking under the hood, the signs indicate Rossi is getting back on track. 

    Hynes might be noting a lack of details in Rossi's game, but that hasn't stopped him from dictating the game's flow better than his teammates. During Rossi's 17-game slump, he's been Minnesota's best player in controlling the expected goal share (59.6%) at 5-on-5. The Wild are below 50% overall and 44.1% whenever Rossi isn't on the ice at 5-on-5. 

    Rossi was outscored at 5-on-5 (6 to 7) during that stretch. Still, he was well above the Wild's average. Minnesota has scored just 38.9% of the goals when Rossi's not on the ice at 5-on-5. That's hardly surprising, considering the sheer number of injuries on the team. However, it's worth noting that they've had much bigger problems than Rossi.

    Particularly since Rossi has arguably been Minnesota's best player in generating and suppressing offense. Only Marcus Foligno has more on-ice expected goals per hour at 5-on-5 (2.63) than Rossi (2.58). Looking at 5-on-5 defense, Rossi has allowed just 1.75 expected goals per hour, which leads the Wild. 

    That's often while taking on the toughest assignments on the team. In New Jersey on Monday, he faced 11 head-to-head minutes with Nico Hischier. Rossi played the Devils' two-way star to a draw, getting the better of the play. He outscored the hulking Tage Thompson's line 2-0 in over nine 5-on-5 minutes. Rossi outscored Nathan MacKinnon 1-0 in 10-and-a-half head-to-head minutes. You can see a similar story play out in games against Anze Kopitar and Robert Thomas.

    Rossi's biggest problems during this stretch may be related. The biggest is that his on-ice shooting percentage during that 17-game stretch is 5.85%. That's about 30% below the NHL's average of 8.92%, and that trend is probably not going to continue. The other related problem is that Rossi's simply not shooting enough. 

    During his first 58 games, Rossi shot 102 times on 196 attempts (or 1.76 shots on 3.78 attempts per game). In the following 17 games, he took just 20 shots on 40 attempts (1.18 on 2.35 per game). Rossi probably wasn't shooting enough in the first place, and six shots every five games is definitely not enough.

    Rossi's shown in the past two seasons that he is great at getting high-danger chances. It's a big reason why he has an 18.1 shooting percentage this year... and that's not a fluke. His expected goal total (22.2) and actual goals (23) are almost identical. That suggests he's got more to give with his shot, and if he can do this well at close range, it'd probably help his (and the Wild's) cause to let it fly a bit more on mid-range shots.

    The good news is, whatever the reason for this slump is, help is on the way. Kaprizov and Eriksson Ek should be back soon, giving Rossi his superstar winger and a center to support him in handling some of the toughest assignments. Combine Rossi's two-way excellence and Kaprizov's finishing ability, and that's a recipe for success. If Rossi can start heating up in time for the playoffs, that will make things much more interesting for the Wild heading into the first round.

    *Head-to-head data via Natural Stat Trick. All other data via Evolving-Hockey.

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    Good article Tony and I agree with you. Hopefully BG does too. Lots of folks on here think that Rossi is subpar and should be traded. I don't believe that is a good look. Decent centers are really hard to find. If the team trades him or lets another team snag him they will regret it for a long time.

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    I hope Rossi does something cause we need something outta him. He has been playing bad. Maybe he is playing threw something or the grind of a NHL season caught up to him.

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    Rossi, like most of the current team is undersized and doesn’t win physical battles. He’s been horrible in the faceoff circle and not producing any offense as of late. To consider Rossi a decent center is comical. 

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    Well, just waiting for the bg fan bois to tell us he sucks....

    He needs to do better in a couple aspects( face off wins being the biggest) but overall, why trade him? Why?

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    It was about time for a Rossi cheerleaders to come back! 😁 But reality - he has not stepped up and lead the team and instead we are praying either Ek or Kap comes back and save us. Both Boldy and Rossi have been let downs, not really stepping up as we need them to. They are still decent but neither are the secondary stars to Kap. Let’s dissect this a bit more -

     Rossi played the Devils' two-way star to a draw, getting the better of the play.

    how are you evaluating the draw? Eye test or plus/minus? If later - is it really a good way to make a determination? How is Rossi getting the better of the play if it’s a draw? 

    He outscored the hulking Tage Thompson's line 2-0 in over nine 5-on-5 minutes.
    what is the context here? Did he go directly against him when game was on the line and showed Tage who’s boss? Is he a better player than Tage? A better scorer? What exactly is implied here?

    Rossi outscored Nathan MacKinnon1-0 in 10-and-a-half head-to-head minutes.

    what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Rossi better MacKinnon in termss as of  production and value on the ice? This type of stat picking leads to a lot of overhype and unrealized potential. 


    You can see a similar story play out in games against Anze Kopitar and Robert Thomas.

    what story? Kopitar is a two way legend and a beast of a player to play against. Thomas is somewhat similar. Wild have maybe Ek that fits that style but definitely not Rossi.

    Combine Rossi's two-way excellence …. 
    these are very untrue and misleading keywords to pump up a player on decline / Rossi is not excellent two way player - period. He is still developing and may get there but for now, I think a much more honest take is - he has an undersized body but good skill work and can compliment a second line well. Still needs more strength to be neutral/positive in playoffs.

    Reality - Billy wants and needs  Rossi to rebound and produce better. Thus Billy will immediately pair him with Kap once he returns, so stats look better by seasons end -because Rossi will be traded. I’m actually not in the trade Rossi camp and would instead dangle Faber and Boldy.

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    Taking Dallas or Colorado out of the equation (cause their stars are the oh so special players we seem to think we can never get), St. Louis is rattling off 10-15 straight wins with players in the 40-60 pt range.  That is the sort of output the Wild can realistically expect right now.  The reason they are losing and the Blues are winning is simple: The Blues have 25 more GF than the Wild do.  God only knows how badly the Blues played before their streak was.

    You're going to tell me Kaprizov playing another 20-30 games wouldn't have made up that difference?  Faber not sucking wind at 25 pts after netting 40 doesn't matter?  Having better forward and defensive depth wouldn't have made up that 50 GF different between Dallas and Colorado.  It would have made it better.

    This team, "this" team is not there yet.  The offense is dreadful, and only Boldy, Rossi, and Kap are 50 pt players.  I'm not in the camp of getting a Nelson.  I still think and Ehlers would be a better choice, since he's around 60-65 pts.  That's the sort of secondary output the team is missing.  

    Offense is letting this team down.  Maybe Hynes's style precludes that, maybe it doesn't.  But Hynes figured out something defensively.  They gave up 260 goals against last year.  This year is 220.  The problem now is offense.  The difference between 206 goals (Wild) and 275 goals (Capitals) is massive.  

    This isn't a "oh we don't have stars" problem.  It's a, "We don't have better offense EVERYWHERE" problem.  One player no matter how good, makes up that difference.  Guerin has some work to do.  He focused on defensive players this year and got mixed results.  The focus on the offseason should be offensive depth.  Asking to dump Boldy or Rossi is just making that offense worse.

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    Are we not going acknowledge that this was supposed to be Rossi’s opportunity to step-up and show that he’s worth the “7+ mill” he’s asking for and he’s done nothing?  Sure, when you’re playing with a team of majority bottom six talent you’re going to lead the team in scoring. But the guy can’t win faceoffs for the life of him. He’s a very good hockey player, but not a very good center. I pray that tinker tailor Billy is smart and trades him for a feisty Russian center that won’t get thrown around the ring. However, I’m sure Billy will sign him for a 10 year, 8 mil NTC. 

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    52 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Taking Dallas or Colorado out of the equation (cause their stars are the oh so special players we seem to think we can never get), St. Louis is rattling off 10-15 straight wins with players in the 40-60 pt range.  That is the sort of output the Wild can realistically expect right now.  The reason they are losing and the Blues are winning is simple: The Blues have 25 more GF than the Wild do.  God only knows how badly the Blues played before their streak was.

    You're going to tell me Kaprizov playing another 20-30 games wouldn't have made up that difference?  Faber not sucking wind at 25 pts after netting 40 doesn't matter?  Having better forward and defensive depth wouldn't have made up that 50 GF different between Dallas and Colorado.  It would have made it better.

    This team, "this" team is not there yet.  The offense is dreadful, and only Boldy, Rossi, and Kap are 50 pt players.  I'm not in the camp of getting a Nelson.  I still think and Ehlers would be a better choice, since he's around 60-65 pts.  That's the sort of secondary output the team is missing.  

    Offense is letting this team down.  Maybe Hynes's style precludes that, maybe it doesn't.  But Hynes figured out something defensively.  They gave up 260 goals against last year.  This year is 220.  The problem now is offense.  The difference between 206 goals (Wild) and 275 goals (Capitals) is massive.  

    This isn't a "oh we don't have stars" problem.  It's a, "We don't have better offense EVERYWHERE" problem.  One player no matter how good, makes up that difference.  Guerin has some work to do.  He focused on defensive players this year and got mixed results.  The focus on the offseason should be offensive depth.  Asking to dump Boldy or Rossi is just making that offense worse.

    I’m giving you reality Citi

    Kap is our only elite player with physical attributes

    We are too close to finish line w Kap for Bill to do any more of his moronic moves, so he’ll do what he always wanted - trade Rossi.

    I’m even saying that I wouldn’t do that.

    but in turn, I realize that our core team structure is not designed to compete, hence I suggest become high stake dealers and plan to trade for a big fish, and that player won’t be baited w Harty

    otherwise - we stand as is - Kap leaves - we assure same old mediocracy

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    Then who replaced Boldy or Rossi's production if you get said big fish?  You need more than one guy to fix a systemic issue.

    What did Guerin say once, "We trade Foligno, we just have to go find a guy to replace Foligno."

    You still need "good" depth to win, not one scary line to do all the work.  Foligno isn't getting replaced by Ohgren just yet.  If he were, it would have happened by now.

    Boldy's or Rossi's production is something you don't just "replace.". We saw that with the Fiala trade.  Faber is good, but not enough to fix what Fiala was doing, playoffs or not.  Otherwise, he'd still be here.

    The upgrade should be to the Johansson's, the Hartman's, the Nyquists. The Khusnutdinov's and Brazeau. Those are the guys you backfill with better depth.  Kap is THE guy, but finding people at or a step below him to push those other lower tier guys down or out is the goal, not play two stars and all AHL depth.

     

     

     

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    27 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Then who replaced Boldy or Rossi's production if you get said big fish?  You need more than one guy to fix a systemic issue.

    What did Guerin say once, "We trade Foligno, we just have to go find a guy to replace Foligno."

    You still need "good" depth to win, not one scary line to do all the work.  Foligno isn't getting replaced by Ohgren just yet.  If he were, it would have happened by now.

    Boldy's or Rossi's production is something you don't just "replace.". We saw that with the Fiala trade.  Faber is good, but not enough to fix what Fiala was doing, playoffs or not.  Otherwise, he'd still be here.

    The upgrade should be to the Johansson's, the Hartman's, the Nyquists. The Khusnutdinov's and Brazeau. Those are the guys you backfill with better depth.  Kap is THE guy, but finding people at or a step below him to push those other lower tier guys down or out is the goal, not play two stars and all AHL depth.

     

     

     

    who replaces who?

    well Assuming we can trade out Faber and Ohgren for Tkachuk (possible? Yes)

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    Spurge for Seeler (net save of 5mm for next 2 years) again possible? Yes 

    We keep both Boldy and Rossi, and plug in Tkachuk to join Kap and Ek and Yurov

    we still have Foligno and Harty to help w bottom 6 too

    we can fill in on D to cover for departure of Faber and Spurge vs focusing on Nelson And we’d have more $ to do just that

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    A little better than a lot of the speculation you've done lately.  Still wouldn't do that...but that's a little better.

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    7 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    A little better than a lot of the speculation you've done lately.  Still wouldn't do that...but that's a little better.

    Why not?

    Tkachuk Yurov Kap

    Boldy Rossi Ek

    that’s a great top 6

    then you have cash (with a bit of influx from money saved on moving Spurge) rerouted from hunting multiple aging / overrated offensive players to one good D - really can get solid one

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    But does Ottawa trade Brady for anything?  They are finally seeing playoff caliber results after years of bleh.  Minnesota would probably need way more than Faber.

    That's the thing.  You want a star, you need teams to say they are trading them.  Ottawa has always said, "Nah.  Not doing that, stop asking."

    You buy and Ehlers or a Peterka in the offseason, you get a 2W for that $7m-8m range that is going to be the norm, without losing anyone via trade.  Tell Rossi to take or leave $6-7m, cause they need that money to get that Mojo upgrade something badly.  In Peterka's case, maybe trade Rossi's rights for Peterka since both are RFA.  At least with Ehlers, you just have to match his price.

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Faber is good, but not enough to fix what Fiala was doing, playoffs or not.  Otherwise, he'd still be here.

    This is not quite correct. We supposedly could not afford to keep Fiala around. But even if we could Billy made it a toxic enough environment for Fiala that he wanted out regardless and LA was the only place he wanted to go. Since I don't think he's ever missed being on the score sheet when he plays against us. I can remember multiple point games for him actually. 

    I recall Billy not being able to take the heat from the fans very well about losing Fiala. I can only imagine how he will handle it if he can't keep Kaprizov. I wonder if he will use the quote he used regarding Fiala? " Yeah sure the kid had a couple of good months"! Yeah that will work.

     

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    To be fair, I like Faber at $8.5m still.  Down year, he is going to be a rock on the blue line.  Maybe a Brodin type player more than a Spurgeon well rounder.  Buium may or may not be that great offensive defensive the team has never had, so banking on Buium and Jiricek immediately sounds about as good as saying Yurov is Rossi but better 

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    I think what we have found out is that Rossi is a complimentary piece who can drive some play but needs help too, whether it's being a little lower in the lineup or having a better wing. He's not, at this moment, a #1C who dictates play.

    Currently, he's gutting out playing on 1 leg. He's available and giving everything he's got, but let's be real, he's probably around 70%. Before the shot to the knee, he was still slumping and so was Boldy. These can be listed as growing pains, but at this point in time, he and Boldy are not team point leaders (comparing with other franchises). They are young and might get there, but they just aren't that right now, and, this teams needs that from them.

    I still wouldn't trade Rossi out to trade him out. If we're acquiring a better piece, that's not trading him out, but if we're just saying he needs to go, I'm in disagreement with that. Rossi will get even better, but he needs another monster offseason. His low center of gravity should help him get under most centers in the dot. I do not know why he isn't better there and this should be an offseason focus. 

    He's made a good improvement over last season in point totals, I think we can chalk this up as an improving year as he has been better. 

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Kap is THE guy, but finding people at or a step below him to push those other lower tier guys down or out is the goal, not play two stars and all AHL depth.

    This is what's coming, the lower tier guys finally start arriving.

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    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Spurge for Seeler (net save of 5mm for next 2 years) again possible? Yes 

    I'm looking at Spurge for Danielson in Detroit. I think Detroit will be desperate next year to make the playoffs and I think Spurge is the guy to get them over that barrier. Seider is their #1, but Spurge on the 2nd pairing solidifies many things.

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    1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I'm looking at Spurge for Danielson in Detroit. I think Detroit will be desperate next year to make the playoffs and I think Spurge is the guy to get them over that barrier. Seider is their #1, but Spurge on the 2nd pairing solidifies many things.

    I’d prefer Seeler as he is a sure thing at what he brings. Stable 3rd pair guy at a very low cost. That gives you more money to aggressively pursue a decent top 4 D

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    2 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    But does Ottawa trade Brady for anything?  They are finally seeing playoff caliber results after years of bleh.  Minnesota would probably need way more than Faber.

    That's the thing.  You want a star, you need teams to say they are trading them.  Ottawa has always said, "Nah.  Not doing that, stop asking."

    You buy and Ehlers or a Peterka in the offseason, you get a 2W for that $7m-8m range that is going to be the norm, without losing anyone via trade.  Tell Rossi to take or leave $6-7m, cause they need that money to get that Mojo upgrade something badly.  In Peterka's case, maybe trade Rossi's rights for Peterka since both are RFA.  At least with Ehlers, you just have to match his price.

    If Ottawa gets knocked out, I’d wager patriotic Tkachuk wouldn’t oppose a move and Ohgren/Faber package can be marketed well for canadas side.

    Ehlers and Peterka are not in the class that we need. The point is to grab game changers when you can. Tkachuk will bring one more physical player to the top six to balance out skill and physicality. 

    does Faber/Ohgren not get you into a discussion?

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    5 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Not for an 80-pt per year guy it doesn't.  Faber's upcoming contract does.

    First you all devalue tkachuks impact (few month ago all were saying he is a worthless punk who can’t win and can’t bring it physically) but now our shiny prince Faber is not enough to have a convo? And not even our can’t miss phenom Ohgren added will? Hmm very suspicious 🤨 

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    I'm simply saying Ottawa is going to overvalue Brady as "their guy" they don't trade for anything other than Kap or a bunch of firsts and Faber.  Faber and Ohgren might not be near enough for a guy that is Ottawa's main scorer.

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