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    The Athletic dropped their NHL Trade Board 2.0 on Wednesday. Dealing with the cap crunch of all cap crunches, it will be tough for the Minnesota Wild to be movers at the deadline. Pat Maroon is the only Wild player on the list, and Minnesota will presumably keep him as long as they are in the playoff hunt.

    As for buying, their biggest need is on the blue line, but their cap situation makes adding folks difficult. They have $40,006 in projected cap space, per CapFriendly, which means any deal would likely have to be dollar-in, dollar-out. In that case, the only options on the board are the Philadelphia Flyers' Nick Seeler (with a $775K cap hit) and 22-year-old Edmonton Oilers defenseman Philip Broberg ($863K cap hit and a pending RFA).

    And yet... there's the Arizona Coyotes (and former Wild) defenseman Matt Dumba on the trade board, and you've gotta think the Wild are missing the longtime staple of their blueline. Yes, Brock Faber is playing magnificent hockey. Sure, Jared Spurgeon is playing well when he's been healthy. Even Zach Bogosian is doing reasonably well despite being stretched into a top-four role with Spurgeon out of the lineup.

    Minnesota can feel their former alternate captain's absence, though. They've already moved to acquire a right-shot defenseman in Bogosian this season and brought in Maroon, a veteran voice, in the offseason. That hasn't stopped the Wild from dropping from a 103-point season to an 82-point pace 30 games into the season.

    Dumba's departure is almost definitely not responsible for the tumble in the standings, but the Wild still miss him. But do they miss him enough to bring him back? That's a tough order.

    There are several roadblocks in the way. The first is that Dumba makes $3.9 million this season. Suppose the Wild want to acquire him. They'd not only have to have the Coyotes retain half his salary, but Minnesota would have to route Dumba through a third team to launder another quarter of his salary. The Wild would not only have to pay a third team an asset to launder Dumba, but that's a tough maneuver to execute without a dedicated 'cap guy' in the front office.

    Then Minnesota would have to wonder whether it's worth buying a rental player -- Dumba hits the free-agent market again next summer -- just to buoy a .500 team. A minor trade for Bogosian? Fine. But a three-way undertaking where the Wild will have to pony up? That's a different story.

    On the other hand, the Wild have a strong core of players that includes Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, Matt Boldy, Marco Rossi, and Faber, even after their recent injuries. All these players are 26 and under. Wasting a prime season from all of them seems like a disaster. At least, the Wild have indicated that they think that's the case. They've shaken up their team and fired their coach to make the postseason.

    It's fair to ask: Why Dumba? Minnesota's bigger need is probably on the left side of the defense, and Dumba's not having an incredibly successful season. He has two goals and five points in 30 games for the Coyotes. His Standings Points Above Replacement (SPAR) is hovering around 0.0, making him exactly replacement level.

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    We've already mentioned the leadership qualities that Dumba brings to the equation, but there is also an on-ice component to consider. Dumba might be just replacement-level, but there's something to be said about someone who can give you 20 minutes a night without damaging his team. It's like an innings-eating pitcher in baseball. The Wild certainly have a dearth of that kind of player.

    Minnesota has only four defensemen with a positive SPAR: Faber, Spurgeon, Brodin, and Bogosian. Looking at the rest of the squad, it's pretty grizzly.

    Jake Middleton: -0.1 SPAR
    Jon Merrill: -0.3 SPAR
    Dakota Mermis: -0.7 SPAR
    Alex Goligoski: -0.8 SPAR
    Daemon Hunt: -0.9 SPAR

    Add that up and you have a -2.8 SPAR, meaning the bottom of their lineup has cost them about three points this year. Coincidentally, with three more points in the standings, they'd have entered Wednesday one point behind Arizona for a playoff spot. Instead, they're four back.

    Despite the need for stability on the left side of the defense, the Wild could also use a solid option on their right. Jared Spurgeon has twice been injured this season. As the team's situation on defense has worsened, Faber has to take on a greater workload. 

    In Faber's last four games, he's played 30-plus minutes in three of them, with a fourth game over 28 minutes. He's the only player to have such a streak this season. And last season. It hasn't been done since the 2021-22 season, when Seth Jones had such a stretch from April 1 through 10, 2022, per Stathead

    Give Faber all the credit in the world for taking Ryan Suter-esque minutes and thriving. But Faber isn't taking on these minutes simply because he can. It's because the Wild have no palatable option but to play Faber as much as possible. The team can't be a Spurgeon injury away from playing Faber a half-hour a night; it's simply not sustainable.

    Does that mean we should keep our eyes on the Dumba situation? It seems too costly and complicated to pull off, but Bill Guerin and the Wild front office love familiarity. The Wild brought back Marcus Johansson last season, and he did a lot less for the franchise than Dumba. Their needs might be elsewhere in the long run. But right now, they're definitely feeling the absence of their old friend. It makes enough sense that we can never say never.

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    I think Billy would move mountains for Dumba, and I think Dumba would come back here and play with a passion, but considering our injury situation making it impossible for us to accumulate cap, I really don't see this one happening via trade this season.

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    The first is that Dumba makes $3.9 million this season. Suppose the Wild want to acquire him. They'd not only have to have the Coyotes retain half his salary, but Minnesota would have to route Dumba through a third team to launder another quarter of his salary. The Wild would not only have to pay a third team an asset to launder Dumba, but that's a tough maneuver to execute without a dedicated 'cap guy' in the front office.

    Also, this season it appears the 'yotes might be a playoff team who could be battling for the wild for the final spot.  Tomahawk Billy has pointed out at the TDL that not moving out rentals is equivalent to moving out rentals.  The 'yotes would be dumb to improve a team that they're competing with unless it improved their team more.

    But yeah...I feel like they still owe us for that Hanzal trade

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    There are several roadblocks in the way. The first is that Dumba makes $3.9 million this season. Suppose the Wild want to acquire him. They'd not only have to have the Coyotes retain half his salary, but Minnesota would have to route Dumba through a third team to launder another quarter of his salary.

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    Ahhh hard pass on Dumba go find a cheap rental if that’s the case. This team does not need to give up prospects for a one year rental….faber, spurg, brodin, are absolutely elite defenders when healthy. If you think finding a rental to bridge this injury gap is important that’s fine but a 3.9 mil guy??… while giving up multiple assets to at least 2 different teams does not make sense for 10-12 mins a night. There are cheap bogo type rentals you can find we are not in any position record wise to gamble the future prospects for a chance at possibly missing playoffs anyway.

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    Mermis and Hunt cost $3 mil less than Dumba and are already on the roster.  There's no solution for "everyone got injured, so fuck it," but this team just has to deal with the consequences of people like Evander Kane taking liberties and Spurgeon finally getting caught with the injury bug.

    After the last few games, I highly doubt Guerin wants Goligoski out there by choice.  As soon as Brodin and Spurgeon come back, he's sitting in the press box.  

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    We wouldn't need Dumba to chew up 20 minutes, more like 10 as a 3rd pair D.  Trade Bogosian and release Merrill to waivers, that's 2 million right there.  Get AZ to eat half and find that 3rd team to eat up the rest for a very late round pick.  

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    31 minutes ago, Outskated said:

    Get AZ to eat half and find that 3rd team to eat up the rest for a very late round pick.  

    If you could get Goligoski to waive his NMC(possibly retiring rather than reporting), then you could trade a prospect/pick with him and AZ would only need to retain half of Dumba's salary without involving a 3rd team.

    I understand that's unlikely, but Goligoski has to know the end is near.

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    9 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    If you could get Goligoski to waive his NMC(possibly retiring rather than reporting), then you could trade a prospect/pick with him and AZ would only need to retain half of Dumba's salary without involving a 3rd team.

    I understand that's unlikely, but Goligoski has to know the end is near.

    I'm sure the 'yotes are salivating at the prospect of upgrading from Dumba to Goose.  That trade makes no sense from the Coyotes perspective, or a Goose perspective.

    Is Suter available?  He seems to have endured himself to dallas.

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    17 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    If you could get Goligoski to waive his NMC(possibly retiring rather than reporting), then you could trade a prospect/pick with him and AZ would only need to retain half of Dumba's salary without involving a 3rd team.

    I understand that's unlikely, but Goligoski has to know the end is near.

    If Goligoski is a true team player than he would fall on his sword or hockey stick and go on LTIR.  

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    16 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Bring Dumba back?  WTF?

    Well, off the 2009 Penguins roster Billy's already got Goligoski, if Sergei Gonchar or Brooks Orphik aren't available for a multi-year multi-million contract, I could see him being tempted to the siren call of Dumba, his star pupil.

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    I haven't paid attention to Dumba in AZ.  Does he really look that bad or is it a system that he doesn't fit in?  Anyone know?  Players level of play falls off at some point in age.  I liked Dumba in MN.  If his level of play dipped, I can't see wanting him back (his NHL window may be closing/gone). 

    If he does come back where does he slot?  No way do I place Dumba over Spurge, Mid, Brodin or Faber.... That sticks him on 3rd D pairing... he better expect pay/toi as a 3rd D pairing.  What happens to our Prospects?   I would prefer to see young prospects playing up on the 3rd pairing very soon.

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    1 hour ago, MrCheatachu said:

    I'm sure the 'yotes are salivating at the prospect of upgrading from Dumba to Goose.  That trade makes no sense from the Coyotes perspective, or a Goose perspective.

    Cannot argue with that. It would be the prospect/pick combination that might get Arizona interested, but given they are in the playoff hunt right now, I cannot see them getting rid of a top 4 defenseman who sees lots of PK minutes. If they fall off badly before the trade deadline, I could maybe see something happening.

    Arizona has several former Wild organization players with Bjugstad, Dumba, McBain, and Zucker. Guerin might be better off just waiting until the offseason and seeing if Dumba will sign back with the Wild closer to the $2.5-3M range.

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    Can Dumba still shoot the puck? Based upon last season, it seems that option is gone because of injury. That's what made him a good defender, he had offense. If we're obtaining Dumba due to his defense, that's a bad plan.

    I'd far rather have Seeler back. 

    1. It's the left side 3rd pair we need help for
    2. He's another big, rugged player for the 3rd pair.
    3. He's tough to play against

    He was let go not because we didn't like him, but because there just wasn't a slot for him here when Soucy overtook him on the depth chart. He always showed up to play and was not a liability. Yet, he was offensively challenged. He and Bogo on the 3rd pair would be similar to Cole-Soucy we had, a very good PK pair, and a pair that could handle the defense for a few minutes a game. Seeler's cheap (cap) too. 

    Would Seeler's game be better than Mermis or Hunt? To me, Seeler is good enough to play 7th D and can spell Goligoski. However, while our guys are maturing in the A, Seeler would be a nice teammate to have.

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    22 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I haven't paid attention to Dumba in AZ.  Does he really look that bad or is it a system that he doesn't fit in?

    I think I read that he is playing 3rd pair and has not played well.

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