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  • Could Tomas Hertl Salvage the Wild's Marco Rossi Conundrum?


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    Tony Abbott

    While the Minnesota Wild have spent the past four seasons swimming with concrete boots named "Zach Parise's Buyout" and "Ryan Suter's Buyout," the Vegas Golden Knights have swum laps around the NHL in terms of grabbing big names. When a star player hits the market, you can't ever rule Vegas out. Jack Eichel, Alex Pietrangelo, and Mark Stone are three cornerstone pieces the Knights got just by being aggressive.

    Of course, that constant buying can't happen without selling off pieces. In nearly every offseason, Vegas executes major contract dumps to free up room for its next target. Marc-Andre Fleury, Evgenii Dadonov, Max Pacioretty, Logan Thompson, and Reilly Smith were all major pieces of their puzzle that got shipped out for little return in summer deals.

    The cycle might happen all over again. The Knights are interested in Mitch Marner, the No. 1 free agent on the market. However, they only have $9.6 million in cap space, which won't cover Marner's bill. Something has to give again.

    That "something," or more accurately, "someone," might be Tomas Hertl, who has been linked to the Carolina Hurricanes and is perhaps officially in play on the trade market. Hertl has full control over his destiny with a No-Movement Clause. He will submit a three-team list of teams he can be traded to on July 1, allowing him to maintain control over his destination. If he doesn't want to go to Carolina, he won't.

    And that may -- may -- present an opening for the Wild to strike.

    Hertl might not have the will to leave a Stanley Cup contender for Minnesota, but the Wild should be highly motivated to acquire him. He's exactly the kind of center Bill Guerin is looking for this offseason. He's got size (6-foot-3, 220 pounds), he's got a goal-scoring pedigree with three 30-goal seasons (including last year), and he would even provide a marginal benefit in the face-off circle (career 53.8% in the dot). 

    He's not a heavy hitter. Still, he's impossible to move off the puck and is more than capable of parking down low and screening goalies. If you want a center who can take some of the load off Joel Eriksson Ek, here's your guy.

    If the Wild could sell Hertl on Minnesota, he'd provide long-term cost control for the team at center. The San Jose Sharks retained about 18% of his contract, so Vegas has Hertl for five years at a tidy $6.75 million cap hit. Combined with Eriksson Ek, the Wild would have two big, goal-scoring centers in the fold for four years at a combined $12 million. That's a bargain, especially in a league where salaries are about to explode.

    Ideally, the Wild would move to obtain Hertl while keeping Marco Rossi, giving them a Hertl/Rossi/Eriksson Ek triumvirate down the middle. All three centers would have skill, a responsible two-way game, and the willingness to crash the net. Few teams would be able to match that. With nearly $15 million in cap space, the team could accommodate all three. As difficult as it would be to trade someone like Liam Öhgren, Hertl -- even as he turns 32 in November -- would be worth the cost.

    Still, if the Wild are determined to move on from Rossi (a subject of debate in itself), then Hertl is the rare player who could let Minnesota execute that trade with little blowback. Rossi wouldn't be going to Vegas; he'll make too much money for them to accommodate Marner. However, Minnesota could salvage an underwhelming market for Rossi by using him to facilitate a Hertl trade.

    According to The Athletic's Michael Russo and Joe Smith, the market for Rossi is fairly cold. Teams have noticed the odd way the Wild view their 23-year-old, 60-point-scoring former top-10 pick. Russo and Smith speculate that the best offer on the table is the Vancouver Canucks' 15th overall pick in this draft. 

    That trade would be a disaster, one of the worst in team history. Taking a ninth overall pick, watching them blossom into a top-six center, only to turn that 60-point center into a lottery ticket in a weak draft?

    That kind of move can easily seal a front office's fate.

    But taking that 15th overall pick and flipping that for Hertl in a cap dump from Vegas? Long-term, that's a loss: Rossi is on the rise, and Hertl will likely be on the decline at some point in his five remaining years under contract.

    As for value, a 60-point, 23-year-old center should probably net more in return than a 60-point, 31-year-old center. However, you could argue it's a win in the short term. Rossi and Hertl represent a lateral move from a production standpoint, but the Wild would upgrade in size at center. Hertl and Eriksson Ek would both be imposing down the middle. If you believe that a 5-foot-9 center on the top line couldn't possibly take down the big-bodied centers out West, then you're probably not going to do much better than this.

    Still, even if it's a much more even trade on paper, this (or any other Rossi deal that would net Minnesota size at center) would have to be something the Wild front office has to be right about. If Hertl -- who, in 13 playoff games last season, had just one more goal than Rossi had in six -- can't get Minnesota over the first-round hump, that's going to look awful. Especially if Rossi thrives with Vancouver, and has playoff success alongside stars in Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes.

    It'd still be incredibly risky. The much safer option would be to add Hertl to the Rossi/Eriksson Ek mix. But if the Rossi situation is indeed unsalvageable, Hertl might represent an out that allows Guerin's front office to resolve its self-inflicted problem while saving a bit of face. 

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    Not opposed to Hertl and Ek as our top 2 centers. Yurov learning from them both would be great. Rossi and Yurov learning more from them would be even better. 

    Could also see Guerin looking at Pageau from the Islanders. Another right handed 40-50 point center, who’s great on the kill (much needed) and at nearly 60% in the face off dot. While not flashy, he only has 1 year left at 5 mil. Would for sure be an upgrade in the bottom 6. Third line of Foligno Pageau Hartman/Ohgren would be nice. 
     

    islanders need some youth and fresh blood. How about a Freddy G and David Spacek for Pageau?

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    I like this trade idea . It seems to be one of the better trade ideas. It’s terrible Billy devalued Rossi. Our top 10 pick , which  we never get . Fred g seems like a good guy. Good on him for taking his opportunities and making a career out of it. Maybe others are right that his reg season ponts get you 2.1 mil. But it doesn’t get you a ntc I’m my opinion.  It also doesn’t get you where you need to go. We don’t need guys that put points up on bad teams in reg season., we need dawgs that come alive in postseason. Fred g represents what’s wrong with wild , continually giving opportunities to guys that don’t deserve,, haven’t earned them or don’t belong ion a team trying to win a round . Fred does what’s asked of him to best of his abilities but it’s not what’s going to get us anywhere. The fact he blocked Rossi and now Rossi stock is devalued is the problem. Then the gm and coach lie about it saying the worst playoff player should play up while Rossi is in dog house over contract negotiations.  Fred g took Rossi s  opportunity and now we’re going to get less value if traded because Fred g playing up lineup was really going to win anything?  Analytics say otherwise. 
    I’m sick of what Fred g represents. Favoritism to guys that don’t deserve it or help you win a playoff round . Billy won’t criticize him but he’ll give it to his 9 th overall and devalue him. Meanwhile Fred who I believe has no value around league gets to stay and block more of our kids and play a pathetic style of hockey to watch 

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    If I could dream a bit:  Let us trade away Vinnie, Freddy and Zuc.  Replace them with Hertl, Boeser, Ehlers and keep Rossi as the 3rd line center paired with Foligno and Hartman.  

    I could live with that and say BG did a good job.

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    I thought Hertl was playing wing for Vegas. The faceoffs would suggest he was playing center. If Hertl is the sacrifice, we should be able to get him highly discounted. I wouldn't think we'd need #15, I think we could keep Rossi still.

    What if Rossi plays center but Hertl, on his line, takes faceoffs? That seems like it could work. I'd be in favor of acquiring him as long as it didn't cost too much. For instance, when Vegas jettisoned Pacs, Carolina, essentially, got him for free. When Vegas jettisons guys, they don't wait around, nor care too much about the return. They have big game hunting in their sites and Marner is their prize. 

    We've got cap space, they don't. Let's exploit that fact.

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    Kind of interesting that I recently read an article on The Athletic that mentioned with the fast rising cap in the NHL that some top tier players may start opting more for 2 year contracts like in the NBA to maximize their earnings. A shorter contract means they can sign a new one with the intention that the cap will increase and teams will be able to sign players to even bigger contracts.

     

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    Any trade for a 1st round pick in this year’s draft is ill advised. It is chock full of undersized players which is why Billy G had no problems trading his 1st pick for Jiricek. Hertl is an interesting thought, there is no doubt he would improve the Wild with both size and skills. Bennett is a long shot to land here, although I won’t give up hope

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    I'm really not down with helping out a conference rival to become better just because they have cash issues.  Didn't see anyone else helping out the Wild for the past few years.  Hertl is old, if Vegas can't sign Mitch Marner because of Hertl being on the roster.  Maybe next time at the trade deadline don't put a star on IR to get him.  Let Vegas burn with their deals they have made. 

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    6 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    If I could dream a bit:  Let us trade away Vinnie, Freddy and Zuc.  Replace them with Hertl, Boeser, Ehlers and keep Rossi as the 3rd line center paired with Foligno and Hartman.  

    I could live with that and say BG did a good job.

    How much in debt would they be???? O wait. Another parise/super realization by the next gm.

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    I wouldn’t mind Hertl and then go after P Kane (he probably wants a chance to play in PO) and if Rossi and Ohgren can get you Tuch -  and it should - do that

    scary top 6

    kap hertl kane tuch ek boldy

    ok bottom 6

    zuccy Yurov Foligno Harty trenin MJ

    🧐

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    21 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    I wouldn’t mind Hertl and then go after P Kane (he probably wants a chance to play in PO) and if Rossi and Ohgren can get you Tuch -  and it should - do that

    scary top 6

    kap hertl kane tuch ek boldy

    ok bottom 6

    zuccy Yurov Foligno Harty trenin MJ

    🧐

    Kane just got traded to the Canucks for a 4th round pick....

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    9 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

    Kane just got traded to the Canucks for a 4th round pick....

    Patrick Kane still in DET.  are you referring to evander “Candy” Kane? 

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    Ideally, the Wild would move to obtain Hertl while keeping Marco Rossi, giving them a Hertl/Rossi/Eriksson Ek triumvirate down the middle.

    Are we playing Freddy G and NoJo on the 1st or 2nd line with this setup? (Sarcasm)

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    14 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    If Hertl is the sacrifice, we should be able to get him highly discounted.

    Hertl’s Limited No Trade Clause is still a hurdle. Will he want to come here?

    Hertl has full control over his destiny with a No-Movement Clause. He will submit a three-team list of teams he can be traded to on July 1, allowing him to maintain control over his destination. 

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    13 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Patrick Kane still in DET.  are you referring to evander “Candy” Kane? 

    Ahh yes, I see what happened there. Disregard!!!

     

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    14 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    I wouldn’t mind Hertl and then go after P Kane (he probably wants a chance to play in PO) and if Rossi and Ohgren can get you Tuch -  and it should - do that

    scary top 6

    kap hertl kane tuch ek boldy

    ok bottom 6

    zuccy Yurov Foligno Harty trenin MJ

    🧐


    https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/update-patrick-kanes-next-career-decision/1beefe50658c27debf94fe70

    …Kane is leaning towards staying exactly where he is in Detroit and resigning. This would support the statements that both Kane and Red Wings GM Steve Yzerman alluded to in Detroit's end of season media interviews. 

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    10 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:


    https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/update-patrick-kanes-next-career-decision/1beefe50658c27debf94fe70

    …Kane is leaning towards staying exactly where he is in Detroit and resigning. This would support the statements that both Kane and Red Wings GM Steve Yzerman alluded to in Detroit's end of season media interviews. 

    well ok then. have fun spending the last years of your career in Detroit.....💩

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    16 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    So…now we need 2 Centers (assuming Rossi is gone). Brilliant.

    I have to believe bill has something in the works for another center.  That's why I went with the Tavares rumor.  I fully expect Pageau, but I can dream bro.

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    I wouldn't mind Hertl or Trocheck, whichever team is trying to clear cap space for Mitch.  I heard a rumor on a pod yesterday that maybe Lundell is the odd man out in FLA to clear space for Bennett, Marchy, etc...

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