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  • Charlie Stramel May Hit the Apex Of His Long Development Journey This Season


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    Hockey Wilderness is counting down the Minnesota Wild’s Top-11 Prospects, as voted by our staff. Today, we give you everything you need to know about our No. 8 prospect, Charlie Stramel.

    Charlie Stramel enters the most pivotal year of his development next season. It feels like we’ve been saying that for the last three years now.

    Stramel’s journey to become the senior leader for Michigan State has been long and arduous. His first two seasons at Wisconsin were disappointing (20 points in 67 games), but he had a breakout season last year for Michigan State.

    Entering his draft year, Stramel was seen as a sure-fire top 15 pick, if not top 10, according to most scouting organizations. Players with his combination of size (6-foot-3, 220 lbs.) and skill don’t come along often. That’s what Wild director of amateur scouting Judd Brackett emphasized in his draft interview.

    Brackett wasn’t alone in his assessment. 

    “He’s one of the best players I’ve ever played with,” said one of Stramel’s former teammates, who also played with Stramel's former teammate, Issac Howard, who recently signed with the Edmonton Oilers.

    Howard was the Hobey Baker award winner for Michigan State, and a huge factor in his success was having Stramel as his center. Stramel won 52% of his draws and played a solid two-way game. Throughout the year, Stramel set up Michigan State’s offense to set career highs in all categories. After producing only 20 points total in 67 games as a freshman and sophomore at Wisconsin, he had 27 points in 37 games as a junior at MSU.

    While Howard is leaving, the Spartans will get help from two of the most talented offensive players in college hockey. Cayden Lindstrom, the fourth overall pick two years ago for Columbus, and Porter Martone, the sixth overall pick for Philadelphia this past season, will join the team in the fall.

    Stramel could project as a strong two-way center, with size and skill to complement it. Think of a more filled-out and more aggressive Joel Eriksson Ek. Stramel may never be a point-per-game player in the NHL, but if you get a reliable 200-foot center to play in your middle six, that’s a win. That’s exactly what Joel Eriksson Ek is, and nobody is complaining about how he turned out.

    It’s still fair to criticize the Stramel pick in light of how players drafted after him have progressed. But with how Stramel has rebuilt his stock after a tumultuous season, it’s hard not to root for him to succeed in his senior season and his future as a key member for Minnesota.

    All stats and data via HockeyDB and Elite Prospects unless otherwise noted.

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    Sure would be nice to see a kid of his size up his game and add another Ek type player to our roster.  Those type of players can take over games for you.  Keep our fingers crossed that he continues to progress.

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    The team needs more players like this.  Size baked in from the get go, plus a smart defensive game.  Ek is invaluable, and getting a second version of that would be insane.  The team desperately needs offense, but there are plenty of other reasons why the team doesn't succeed.  Angry Koivu or Ek now would be the dream, but early GREEF era Ek isn't a bad deal either.

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    Stamel is a line 4 player until proven otherwise. Jordan Greenway was more productive as a sophomore than Stramel was as a junior, and Greenway didn't exactly have an offensive explosion in the NHL.

    Any comparisons to Eriksson Ek are unfair to both JEE and Stramel. Stamel would need to score at least 1 point per game in the upcoming season to suggest he could be useful above the 4th line in the near future.

    A little thicker Nico Sturm seems like a more reasonable comp than JEE.

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    I think Stramel can peak at a 3rd line C. When watching him in his lone NCAA game this past season, he got plenty of icetime and had a great reach. He positioned himself nicely in front of the net.

    But, what I didn't see was that hunger to blow someone up, nor the explosiveness in his game. Lumbering would be the word I'd use. So, this offseason, on Stramel's to do list, I would definitely put acceleration at the top of the list. He's a hometown kid, surely he had some Andy Ness time on his hands?

    If the comparison is Ek, let's remember how long it took Ek to get to where he is. Stramel may be a Senior, but he's really just a Jr. in age. Those 1st 5 steps are really important. Get those shored up and we've got something!

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    46 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Jordan Greenway was more productive as a sophomore than Stramel was as a junior, and Greenway didn't exactly have an offensive explosion in the NHL.

    Unfortunately, Greenway was rushed to the NHL too soon, probably due to his size and the Wild's lack of offense.  He only played a handful of games in Iowa, when he should've spent at least 1-2 seasons. 

    Our prospect depth is in much better shape to allow Stramel to develop in Iowa for 1-2 seasons after college.  Both Foligno and Trenin's contracts will have expired by 2028-29 and hopefully Stramel can fill that void when he's ~24 years old.

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Any comparisons to Eriksson Ek are unfair to both JEE and Stramel. Stamel would need to score at least 1 point per game in the upcoming season to suggest he could be useful above the 4th line in the near future.

    I'm guessing you would have called Faber a bust based on his college production.  

    His role in their system may not translate to a lot of scoring.  College production (or lack there of) isn't always the best indicator. 

    He still has an uphill climb but 3rd and 4th line roles look reachable at this point and there may still be some upside left.  

    Good for him to transfer and rebuild his reputation. 

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    2 minutes ago, Patrick said:

    I'm guessing you would have called Faber a bust based on his college production.  

    No, I would not consider a shut down defender who was the defensive player of the year for the entire conference to seem like a bust coming out of college.  That seems insane, particularly when he led the defensemen on his team in +/- by a significant amount.

    Faber wasn't even playing PP, just dominating even strength play and penalty kill, and he still reached the 27 points that were just highlighted for Stramel this season.  Stramel's teammate, who left, drove the scoring for MICH ST.

    I also didn't call Greenway a bust, just a disappointing outcome for a 1st round selection. And I hope that Stramel will be able to help the PK, which is why I mentioned Nico Sturm.  Nico Sturm is a useful NHL player.  It would be up to others to evaluate if that outcome is a bust.

    Some 1st round players never play in the NHL, and Stramel was a late round 1st, so opinions of bust could vary substantially even if he has a Nico Sturm type of career.

    By the way, Nico Sturm had 37 points(14 goals) in 40 games(not far from a point per game) in his 2nd to last college season(and was 1st in +/- among forwards on his team that year), then jumped to 45 points in 39 games in his final college season, so Stramel has quite a bit of development yet to go to simply reach the levels that Sturm was at prior to moving to the AHL.

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    5 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    I also didn't call Greenway a bust, just a disappointing outcome for a 1st round selection.

    2015: Eriksson Ek 1st round, Greenway 2nd round...Kaprizov 5th round, Chuck Fletcher's best draft.  Greenway has had a pretty decent career for a second rounder.  Stramel was a bit of a reach for the first round in 2023, I believe he was projected to go mid-second round.

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    12 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    2015: Eriksson Ek 1st round, Greenway 2nd round...Kaprizov 5th round, Chuck Fletcher's best draft.  Greenway has had a pretty decent career for a second rounder.  Stramel was a bit of a reach for the first round in 2023, I believe he was projected to go mid-second round.

    Good call on that mistake by me regarding the 1st round.  Yes, Greenway was the 50th pick, which is around where Stramel was being projected by draft time. I'm not trying to bash Stramel, I just don't think it's fair for people to place his name with Eriksson Ek when discussing his future.

    We don't have comparable hockey develop league time at this point for Eriksson Ek given that he was playing in a top 3 professional league rather than the NCAA.

    We know it took Eriksson Ek a while to develop into the great 2-way NHL player he eventually became, but he was a point per game AHL player as soon as he came over from Sweden.

    Eriksson Ek was simply a much better prospect than Stramel, so I really think it does Stramel a disservice to mention them together and have people disappointed in what Stramel is likely to become in the NHL.

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    Also, thanks for that correction on Greenway.
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    Ive got Stramel filling my Tim Kerr spot and ive got Rossi setting in to my Mark Pavelich role  and ive got Mojo taking over for Tommy Bartlett at the Dells 

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    I remember his freshman year at Wisconsin against the Gophers, who were stacked that year, Stramel was the bright spot on the Badgers.  He was basically untouchable.  Then Hastings showed up and brought half of the Mankato State team with him.  That pushed Stramel down the depth chart and his development lacked along with his confidence.  The move to Michigan State allowed him to get back on track for his development.  

    He doesn't need to be an elite game changing center for the Wild.  He just needs to be a solid Center and I think he could be that with ease.  A 15 to 20 minute a game guy would be perfectly fine.  EK, Stramel, Yurov and Rossi would be solid down the middle for the next few year.  If Hiedt turns out to be good the Wild could go from terrible at Center to very strong at Center in a few years.  

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    3 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

    EK, Stramel, Yurov and Rossi would be solid down the middle for the next few year.  If Hiedt turns out to be good the Wild could go from terrible at Center to very strong at Center in a few years.  

    I agree. I don't think Stramel will be a bust. He fits our system and while he won't score a ton of points, if he can win crucial faceoffs and help the PK, I'm all in. I don't have as much confidence in Heidt as I don't think his game will translate as well to the big club. Maybe for him, a move to wing following a Zucc mold. For me, Yurov is the biggest wild card we have.

    We're getting close friends, I'm pretty ready to move on from Rossi contract talk and get back to some games!

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    "Entering his draft year, Stramel was seen as a sure-fire top 15 pick, if not top 10, according to most scouting organizations." 

    Yeah, that's not even close to being factual.

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    1 hour ago, jenihami said:

    "Entering his draft year, Stramel was seen as a sure-fire top 15 pick, if not top 10, according to most scouting organizations." 

    Yeah, that's not even close to being factual.

    Maybe a top ten pick in the SECOND round?

    But why let an easily fact checked statement get in the way of vibes.  Stray-Dog was a reach in the first round.  Everypne knew we were looking for a Center, and with Edstrom (also 6'3), Richie (also 6'3) and Stenberg (5'11).  Still too soon to declare one of those guys a better player, but none of those 3 got cut from their countries WJC roster...

     

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    2 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

    Maybe a top ten pick in the SECOND round?

    But why let an easily fact checked statement get in the way of vibes.  Stray-Dog was a reach in the first round.  Everypne knew we were looking for a Center, and with Edstrom (also 6'3), Richie (also 6'3) and Stenberg (5'11).  Still too soon to declare one of those guys a better player, but none of those 3 got cut from their countries WJC roster...

     

    This was after he played a year in college.  Prior to that, there was talk about him going early in the first round.  He only dropped because of his tough freshman season.

    https://thehockeywriters.com/charlie-stramel-2023-nhl-draft-profile/

     

     

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    1 hour ago, jenihami said:

    "Entering his draft year, Stramel was seen as a sure-fire top 15 pick, if not top 10, according to most scouting organizations." 

    Yeah, that's not even close to being factual.

    He was before he played in college.  

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    1 hour ago, jenihami said:

    "Entering his draft year, Stramel was seen as a sure-fire top 15 pick, if not top 10, according to most scouting organizations." 

    Yeah, that's not even close to being factual.

    I've read this several places. Not during his draft year but coming into it when no games had been played. He fell quite hard throughout the draft year, and Judd, as he usually did, thought the fall meant a deal and Stramel was on sale. 

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    12 hours ago, Enforceror said:

    I agree. I don't think Stramel will be a bust. He fits our system and while he won't score a ton of points, if he can win crucial faceoffs and help the PK, I'm all in. I don't have as much confidence in Heidt as I don't think his game will translate as well to the big club. Maybe for him, a move to wing following a Zucc mold. For me, Yurov is the biggest wild card we have.

    We're getting close friends, I'm pretty ready to move on from Rossi contract talk and get back to some games!

    Totally agree with you on all of this, especially Heidt.  I feel like we'd be better off trading him before he gets to the AHL.  I hope he proves me wrong, but I feel like it's going to be a huge drop-off in production in Iowa and it'll just start to become apparent that he's hit his limit.

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