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  • Can A Healthy Wild Team Get More Out Of Vladimir Tarasenko?


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    Luke Sims

    In life, sometimes someone gives you something for free just to get it off their hands. On the surface, it looked like a tremendous deal. A low-risk, high-reward deal that has no real downside.

    The Minnesota Wild pulled off such a trade on the eve of free agency, when they accepted a trade with the Detroit Red Wings for forward Vladimir Tarasenko. They took Tarasenko out of Detroit’s hands for future considerations in return. Bill Guerin landed Tarasenko, the former St. Louis Blues star, as a one-year $5 million rental.

    On the surface, the trade might not look too bad. Tarasenko has two goals and eight points in 18 games this season, good for sixth on the team. But when you look under the hood of the 33-year-old’s play, it tells another story.

    For context, Tarasenko has logged the seventh most time on ice this season among Wild forwards, playing primarily in a top-six role with Joel Eriksson Ek and Matt Boldy as his linemates. Only Ryan Hartman has played more minutes than Tarasenko and had worse production.

    Tarasenko has also spent most of his time on the top power play. That will change because Mats Zuccarello has returned, and Tarasenko will drop to the second unit. In his time on the top unit, he accounted for seven of his ten points on the season. That means, in his nearly 200 minutes of even-strength play this season, he has a whopping 3 points. 

    Yakov Trenin and Vinnie Hinostroza could also say the same. Not a good look for the guy known for putting the puck in the back of the net.

    Look at the chart below: 

     

    It highlights that whoever lines up next to Tarasenko is worse off than they would be if they were not playing with him. All seven of his most common linemates have seen their numbers improve away from him. So, what should the Wild do with him?

    Tarasenko has never excelled defensively. Still, he’s been sound defensively this year, giving up 1.52 goals against per 60 minutes (GA/60) when he’s on the ice. That’s good for second on the team behind Yakov Trenin, whom the Wild signed for his defense.

    So, does that mean Vlad should play a fourth-line, checking role? Probably not. 

    Tarasenko still has a heavy shot and can be a threat offensively when the Wild puts him in the right situations. The problem is that it just isn't happening for him or his linemates in five-on-five play this season.

    As of now, the difference between his play and the play of a guy like Hinostroza is not all that different, and until Nico Sturm comes back or the inevitable Marcus Johansson regression hits, Tarasenko will have to bide his time and hope that he can start to bury the chances that come his way in a third line, and second power-play role.

    There was hope that a change of scenery and some better linemates would bring back the Tarasenko that Wild fans used to fear when he wore a Blues jersey. 

    Still, it looks a whole lot more like the Wild got the disappointing version of Tarasenko, who played for the Ottawa Senators and Detroit Red Wings. Returning Zuccarello to the top-six and the top power play unit offered little hope that Minnesota would spark the one-time 30-goal scorer. 

    The question, then, is what’s next for him?

    All stats and data via HockeyDB and Evolving Hockey unless otherwise noted.

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    8 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Ek must be hurt.  97 is hurt, I saw him wince that one time, spurge is a warrior playing hurt

    I also believe Spurgeon is playing hurt. I think it's lower body, his skating stride just looks choppy and off. But why are you thinking Ek is hurt? 

    And, yes, they are injured, but not enough to take them off the ice. Every team has got them. If you'll notice, some guy had 2 chops at Kaprizov's arm, and another one took it the other night. Why aren't we chopping guys arms off? Seems to me you just identify who their best player is and tomahawk them as a 4th liner. 

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    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    And so it begins.  This team is performing the way it is because of injuries.  Ek must be hurt.  97 is hurt, I saw him wince that one time, spurge is a warrior playing hurt… Bob lob law …we need an investigation re why Wild are only nhl team who’s players play hurt

    I think I heard it was chronic leg weakness.

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    Looks like Rossi is also hurt and maybe out with an LBI.

    Why not give Yurov a deserved promotion up to line 1 and see what he can do? It is probably the least disruptive thing to do. Bring up Haight to center 4th line.

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    3 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Looks like Rossi is also hurt and maybe out with an LBI.

    Why not give Yurov a deserved promotion up to line 1 and see what he can do? It is probably the least disruptive thing to do. Bring up Haight to center 4th line.

    Since 18.10. - that'd explain the invisible Rossi effect of the last few games (yes, he scored one, but he didn't have the presence he had earlier in the season)

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    Deserved...right.

    Hartman: 18 games, 6 points

    Yurov: 13 games, 2 points

    Both guys have had to deal with people who have squat for points (Mojo aside), so Hartman should get the first crack.

     

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Deserved...right.

    Yes, deserved. It's not just about the points, it's also about how he's played. He's been getting better and better. If you put Hartzy up there, and he's been there before, you're not developing the kids. It is paramount at this time that those are the guys that get 1st shot. 

    I believe it will happen as you said, though, and I'll be tossing sand in the air and ripping garments! 

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    21 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    If you'll notice, some guy had 2 chops at Kaprizov's arm, and another one took it the other night.

    At the Sharks game, KK was behind the net against the boards when the 1st period whistle blew.  The Sharks player was slashing KK's left forearm, leading to a little scrum but no penalty.  Are the Wild trying to avoid more PIM this season?  Actually, I don't understand the Wild's short term or long term plan.  Game to game.  Season to season.  It seems experimental to me.  What is our consistent strength to build on?  

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    13 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Koivu, Ek, and Rossi all played 3rd and 4th line early on. It's not some crime that Yurov is there.

     

    Best case scenario Yurov effectively drives the 3rd line and in turn gets a few auditions on 1st line over next 10-15 games. 

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    30 minutes ago, hydguy75 said:

    Are the Wild trying to avoid more PIM this season?  Actually, I don't understand the Wild's short term or long term plan.  Game to game.  Season to season.  It seems experimental to me.  What is our consistent strength to build on? 

    It's one thing to cut down on PIMs, and it's quite another thing to let someone take liberties with your best player. Not responding strong enough would add evidence that there might be some animosity over the new contract, though, I don't think there is. Not all PIMs are the same, and who cares if they are coincidental penalties, 2s or 5s, as long as you don't get an extra one, you're fine. But, you don't start hacking the guy who did it to Kaprizov, you start hacking Celebrini's arm hard.

    This was against the Sharks. Perhaps it was the 1st time we played them, though, I think it may have been the Islander's game where it started. I believe he drew a penalty by shaking his arm and yelling OW! That's where the damage started and people have been targeting that area ever since.

    It's pretty obvious that our consistent strength is supposed to be the '20-22 drafted players and ones we traded for in that window. Yet, that "strength" isn't a strength yet due to the coined phrase of the "medapod." Getting these guys up to the speed of the NHL should be priority #1. The longer you wait, the longer it will take. You do not get to skip this step. Yet, it seems like GMBG and HCJH are both trying very hard to eliminate this necessary step. 

    We now have what appears to be 3 hits from the '20 draft: Rossi, Hunt, Faber. We appear to have 1 hit from '21: The Wall. I believe there is 1 hit from '22: Yurov, with Jiricek and Ohgren as maybes. There are more from these drafts that might play a role but are still developing. Ohgren is too good for the A and needs to think and read faster, and take the body more. It would seem to me that he is the type of player that if he can knock someone around early, his nervousness just goes away. 

    So, that said, the "placeholders" need to be sold off. Right now, their roster spot is the biggest block to the kids playing. But, this means that we will be less competitive this year. If there is a year to be less competitive in the plan, this would be the year! This means OCL must be on board with a couple of learning years. To date, I do not believe this is so. Perhaps he is the one who does not understand the necessary step that cannot be avoided?  

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    14 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Koivu, Ek, and Rossi all played 3rd and 4th line early on. It's not some crime that Yurov is there.

    The "crime" is in the development part. It's the necessary step for the priority which is the kids. It has to happen, there is no skipping it. Rossi is out temporarily, so give the kid a couple of trial games and see if he can elevate his game. 

    By now, Hartman has to realize he is one of the placeholders. The opportunities have to go to the kids. That's why Jiricek came back in when Bogosian went out. Had it been a guy like Kierstad who got it, that was misuse of the resources. 

    At some point in the past, Kaprizov was very excited about getting to play with Yurov. Let's see if there is any chemistry?

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    58 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Best case scenario Yurov effectively drives the 3rd line and in turn gets a few auditions on 1st line over next 10-15 games. 

    The time is now for the audition. This season has to be about acclimating the kids. Yurov has improved every game. Elevate him and see if he can rise to the occasion. OgZ couldn't, perhaps Yurov can. 

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    Hynes isn't as ironclad about his lines as Evason was.  We'll see how Hartman does.  If it's clear he or the line struggles, Ek or Yurov should quickly get the call in the blender.

    Hartman's only a "placeholder" if you think of him that way.  This same placeholder amped up his game and was one of the more effective players in the playoffs.  

    Much like Zucc, people tend to write Hartman off as if he completely sucks.  Those are the times he can surprise and go on a heater.

    I understand wanting to "play the kids" but Hartman has evidence of scoring touch (in spurts yes).  Yurov has not.  Top lines are supposed to score, not "hold the line and not fuck up."

    I see Yurov is the latter stage right now.  Buium and Wally can tilt the ice.  Yurov is "safe.". 

    I agree with Pewter.  Show up and force the issue.  That or falter so much they are where Calgary is and they are too far gone.  2-4 points behind is not the place to put unprepared players in sink or swim situations.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    The time is now for the audition. This season has to be about acclimating the kids.

    While I agree with you, I predict this season will be 50 more games of duct taping this group of journeyman and ahl’rs to 97 and 12 and hoping we can stay within spittin’ distance of the last wildcard spot.  

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    2 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Hartman's only a "placeholder" if you think of him that way.  This same placeholder amped up his game and was one of the more effective players in the playoffs.  

    Agree.  Hartman’s season has gone sideways since his hot start I predict our Rat 🐀 responds a breakout game today (1G, 1A) and those of us who like the 🐀 will say “see told ya so”

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    On 11/14/2025 at 8:47 AM, Dis-allowed display name said:

    Where do you buy this weed that you smoke?

    Look around the top six the Wild have are on par with other cup contenders.  The Bottom six are on par with some of the worst AHL teams.  

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