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  • Bill Guerin Handled the Marco Rossi Trade Perfectly


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    The Minnesota Wild dropped a bombshell on the NHL on Friday night when they acquired Quinn Hughes in a blockbuster trade with the Vancouver Canucks. One of the best defensemen and arguably a top-10 player in hockey, Hughes will draw all of the headlines when he joins Kirill Kaprizov and Matt Boldy in one of the best cores in franchise history. But one of the many subplots in the deal involves Marco Rossi.

    Rossi always felt like a misfit since the Wild selected him with the ninth overall pick in the 2020 draft. After a demotion to the fourth line during last season’s playoff series against the Vegas Golden Knights, many thought he had played his last game in Minnesota until the two sides agreed to a three-year, $15 million contract in August.

    In the end, that deal was a temporary truce between the two sides, and Bill Guerin played it perfectly by using Rossi to acquire the superstar player the Wild needed.

    The drama began when Rossi was demoted last spring. Rossi was coming off the best year of his career, recording a career-high with 24 goals and 60 points while playing all 82 games. At 24 years old, Rossi believed that he could become a top-six forward for the Wild while Minnesota looked at what they had coming in the pipeline.

    Danila Yurov was on his way over from Russia, and the team already had Joel Eriksson Ek and Ryan Hartman locked into long-term contracts. The team added another center to the mix by signing Nico Sturm to improve the bottom six and the penalty kill, and you could see the walls closing in on Rossi as he was due for a new contract.

    That led to plenty of rumors heading into the summer. Wild fans thought Rossi could be traded to the Buffalo Sabres for JJ Peterka, but that dream died when Buffalo rejected the offer, and he was traded to the Utah Mammoth instead. According to The Athletic’s Michael Russo, the Wild also turned down a deal that would have sent Rossi to the Canucks in exchange for center Aatu Raty, goalie Arturs Silvos, and the No. 15 overall pick in last June’s draft.

    In hindsight, it would have been easy for Bill Guerin to pull the trigger on these trades as Wild owner Craig Leipold billed last July as “Christmas." After Minnesota struck out in free agency, Guerin could have felt more pressure to do something like Howard Langston searching for the last Turbo Man action figure on Christmas Eve, but instead opted to keep Rossi around to buy time.

    The move turned out to be a sound decision. While Rossi was a serviceable player for the Wild, he was unlikely to be the answer in the team’s search for a franchise center that has spanned throughout its existence. His play also looked more like the second half of last season than the first, with just four goals, 13 points, and a minus-6 rating before suffering a lower-body injury.

    There was nothing wrong if the Wild decided to hold on for a little longer. Still, with him looking more like a second or third-line center, the Wild were wise to keep him on the trading block and pair him with some of their other movable assets when a top-tier player became available, which happened on Friday night.

    Hughes brings several aspects that Rossi just couldn’t provide. He’s an elite player who can spark the team’s power play and bring the type of production from the blue line the Wild were hoping to get from Zeev Buium, who was also included in Friday’s trade down the road.

    Most importantly, it makes the Wild feel like they have the firepower to go head-to-head with the Colorado Avalanche and Dallas Stars, a formality considering the NHL’s flawed playoff format and something that didn’t feel possible the last few seasons.

    It also makes the Wild feel like their time is right now. With Rossi, Buium, and Liam Ohgren, it felt like the future was still a couple of years off in the distance, even with Kaprizov and Buium playing at an elite level.

    If Guerin pulled the trigger on a deal this summer, there’s a good chance the Wild looked like they did on Friday morning: A team that could steal a game or two in a playoff series but unlikely to be a threat for the long run. Hughes changes that, and giving up on Rossi feels like collateral damage.

    While there is some risk given Hughes's long-term future and the Wild still needing help at the center position, trading Rossi in this deal has a bigger impact than the deals on the table last summer. It brings the Wild one step closer to the team they want to be and shows they made the most of a tough situation with a young player.

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    I would say BG salvaged the Rossi situation. When a player does everything an organization asks for, including skipping his sisters wedding for off season training, loses a year to a life threatening disease, and still outperforms most expectations and gets treated like dirt. It doesn't look good for the organization. 

    Rossi is a class act. I will always cheer for him.

    BG on the other hand is a greaseball and I can't wait till he is gone.

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    26 minutes ago, Patrick said:

    BG on the other hand is a greaseball and I can't wait till he is gone

    I get the sense that SillyG has 'his guys' and then he's got a second group of guys he seems to be irrationally angry at like Fiala and Rossi.

    I was 99% sure when Dumba hit the waiver wire that SillyG was going to take a swing because Dumba was his type of guy.

    Hell, look at the slobber-fest between Buium and Guerin:

    • Guerin on Buium:  "special kid and a special human"
    • Buium on Guerin: "Bill Guerin is an unbelievable person. He's such a smart guy."
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    Now Billy needs to find someone equal to or better than Rossi (without trading the other half of the prospects and picks) and I'll feel better about this trade.

    Jiricek can go now, and needs to.

    It's ironic how two of the biggest trades the Wild have ever made were in the last year and both were to acquire defensemen. The last thing the Wild need.

    I get the trade for Hughes, you have to do it if the opportunity presents itself, but we'll see how much better the team truly is come April. Now severely lacking youth, depth, and with a weakened top six, it still seems like a tall task.

    Prove me wrong Billy and go get a real 1C! Hopefully there is enough left in the cupboard, but probably not.

    Article suggestion; what real assets do the Wild have left after Billy's trading sprees?

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    What did Guerin do right? He resigned Rossi to an affordable contract and kept enough cap space where he could make a move like this. The move cost us just under $3m in cap space.

    I am wondering how we'll fill the positions and still feel we're a bit away. But, if we go after a center, he needs to be an offensive 200' guy. It looks like this will be how the team is built. 

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    4 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

    Now Billy needs to find someone equal to or better than Rossi (without trading the other half of the prospects and picks) and I'll feel better about this trade.

    Jiricek can go now, and needs to.

    It's ironic how two of the biggest trades the Wild have ever made were in the last year and both were to acquire defensemen. The last thing the Wild need.

    I get the trade for Hughes, you have to do it if the opportunity presents itself, but we'll see how much better the team truly is come April. Now severely lacking youth, depth, and with a weakened top six, it still seems like a tall task.

    Prove me wrong Billy and go get a real 1C! Hopefully there is enough left in the cupboard, but probably not.

    Article suggestion; what real assets do the Wild have left after Billy's trading sprees?

    We are done going after the big fish. There is nothing to barter with. You are not getting 1C. So make peace with that.

    our 1C is Yurov.

    and our D was definitely in need of an upgrade - we were towards the bottom in the league in D scoring

    on top of that our PP was horrendous lately and QH helps there 

    the only option left is to solidify C depth with a veteran - ROR perhaps, not 1C

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    1 hour ago, Patrick said:

    I would say BG salvaged the Rossi situation. When a player does everything an organization asks for, including skipping his sisters wedding for off season training, loses a year to a life threatening disease, and still outperforms most expectations and gets treated like dirt. It doesn't look good for the organization. 

    Rossi is a class act. I will always cheer for him.

    BG on the other hand is a greaseball and I can't wait till he is gone.

    Nobody asked him to skip his sister's wedding. And he wasn't treated like dirt, he just didn't have any leverage in the situation. 

    Sorry that you're upset the GM did his job well I guess...

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    Peterka is doing pretty well for Utah, so that wouldn't have been a terrible deal if Buffalo was interested.

    If felt like Guerin was playing it smart by not wasting his assets on guys who wouldn't be difference makers.

    Wild had a solid first game with Quinn Hughes, but also seemed like an off night for Boston while the players on the Wild from the start of the season were buzzing and making plays. Quinn Hughes chipped in a 5-hole goal too.

    Wild have climbed to top 4 in the West, but have a tough stretch ahead:

    Capitals

    @ Blue Jackets

    Oilers

    Avalanche

    With Evason, the Blue Jackets are likely to play the Wild tough even though they are near the bottom of the East currently. Edmonton is 6-3-1 in their last 10, and both Washington and Colorado are 7-1-2 in their last 10.

    If they Wild come out of that stretch with a few wins, they should be looking like a contender.

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    11 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    only option left is to solidify C depth with a veteran - ROR perhaps, not 1C

    ROR would be an epic addition for this team tbh. He could potentially play on the top-line for us too if they want to give Kap/Zuccy more chances to start with the puck since he's so good in the faceoff. 

    Plus you could probably stick with a Zuccy-ROR-Kap line in the playoffs instead of making Hynes feel like he needs to go with the Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov line. 

    Senko-Yurov-Hartman could be a solid 3rd line in the playoffs (though I hope we upgrade on Tarasenko, personally..) and Foligno-Sturm-Trenin is pretty much made for the playoffs as a 4th line.

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    2 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

    Nobody asked him to skip his sister's wedding. And he wasn't treated like dirt, he just didn't have any leverage in the situation. 

    Sorry that you're upset the GM did his job well I guess...

    He was treated like shit very publicly.

    Sorry your upset our GM is a clueless prick...

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    1 minute ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    He was treated like shit very publicly.

    Sorry your upset our GM is a clueless prick...

    How? Because they put him on a line in the playoffs with more physical players who were playing a style he wasn't? Because the GM challenged him to be less passive at this level a few years back, which clearly helped his game? 

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    2 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

    How? Because they put him on a line in the playoffs with more physical players who were playing a style he wasn't? Because the GM challenged him to be less passive at this level a few years back, which clearly helped his game? 

    Don't forget, Zuccy called him out and said he needed to pass more, right around the time his play declined (injury also around that time, supposedly).

    I'm sure he feels like a huge weight has been lifted, he might even do better now, we'll see.

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    2 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    In what ways? I haven't seen anything.

    I don't remember him ever having his back. He's very publicly always let it be known he's a trade chip. Never that I can recall, ever publicly speaking about his willingness to put in the extra work which a majority of today's players won't do. Zmong other things 

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    3 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

    Don't forget, Zuccy called him out and said he needed to pass more, right around the time his play declined (injury also around that time, supposedly).

    -.- that was a joke, man. 

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    21 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    We are done going after the big fish. There is nothing to barter with. You are not getting 1C. So make peace with that.

    our 1C is Yurov.

    and our D was definitely in need of an upgrade - we were towards the bottom in the league in D scoring

    on top of that our PP was horrendous lately and QH helps there 

    the only option left is to solidify C depth with a veteran - ROR perhaps, not 1C

    Thank you for making my point, there is nothing left. This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

    If Zeev wasn't ready, how is Yurov? Zeev is, and will be, three times the player Yurov will ever be.

    Don't get me wrong, Quinn might be the best player to ever play for the Wild in franchise history. Yes, including Kaprizov. Apparently Quinn is rated 7th overall and Kaprizov 10th. He will make this team much better and improve every aspect, but is it enough? The offense was weakened with this trade, especially the injury prone depth. My point was, more is needed and they don't have the capital to do much. Like I said in another post, this feels more like a feel good and butts in seats move. We'll see. I bet they do make it to the second round this season, finally, but how much further??

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    The Wild simply need top 6 scoring help, regardless of position. If it happens to be a center, all the better. If he isn't part of a package to obtain said player, Charlie Stramel may be the Wilds playoff addition. He seems to be very close to NHL ready, and better than average in the faceoff dot. Barring further injuries, the Wild wont need much tweaking if it gets top 6 scoring help.

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    26 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

    This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

    Our top 6 includes: 97, Zuc, Boldy and Ek.  If the plan is to fill out the top six with some combo of: cardiojo, senko, hinny, the 🐀, rookie center, and that top six will make a cup run I’d say you’re smoking the drapes.  I have to believe Guerin understands this and will package some combo of: mids, Gus, Wally, jobro, and spurge + 2028 1st thru 4th rounds.  It all or nothing time for Guerin and Window 97™️

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    28 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

    Thank you for making my point, there is nothing left. This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

    If Zeev wasn't ready, how is Yurov? Zeev is, and will be, three times the player Yurov will ever be.

    It isn't that Zeev wasn't ready. Its that he's not as ready as Quinn Hughes, who is obviously a better player right now and likely to be next season also.

    Also, this isn't Billy's "whole load." Just his biggest. He can make more moves to improve the roster still and is very likely to do so. 

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    25 minutes ago, Lern2spell said:

    Charlie Stramel may be the Wilds playoff addition. He seems to be very close to NHL ready, and better than average in the faceoff dot. Barring further injuries, the Wild wont need much tweaking if it gets top 6 scoring help.

    Charlie Stramel might be a 4th line player in 27-28. He is not NHL ready, and certainly not on scoring lines. He may top out as a 3rd line player in his prime.

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    6 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

    It isn't that Zeev wasn't ready. Its that he's not as ready as Quinn Hughes, who is obviously a better player right now and likely to be next season also.

    Also, this isn't Billy's "whole load." Just his biggest. He can make more moves to improve the roster still and is very likely to do so. 

    Point missed, it was about Yurov, not Zeev.

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    Wow are people really underselling Quinn's impact on offense when he is on the ice. It's like having another forward on the team.

    Quinn is more than likely going to put up 70+ points in a season. I swear this fanbase is insane sometimes. AT THE ABSOLUTE 1 IN A MILLION CHANCE THE BEST ZEEV BUIUM COULD BE IS QUINN HUGHES! We currently have the real deal. Why the hell are people putting Buium on this huge pedestal with nothing but "well he could be anything...he could even be quinn hughes!!!!" ?

    I love the kid and you would be hard pressed to find a bigger Rossi fan than me but jesus people--get some perspective. If you want a FRANCHISE PLAYER guess what? You need to give up your best young players to get it.

    People saying we need to get a 1C but who is out there to get? Who are you going to get? You think throwing spare parts will get you that 1C? I guarantee if there is a true 1C out there you're going to be giving up a lot of the following: Wallstedt, Benek, Heidt, Yurov and more. You aren't going to get a 1C throwing Spurgeon, Tarasenko, and other spare parts out like all you dreamers think can happen.

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    Also, I want Keifer Sherwood from the Canucks. Not sure what it will take--maybe Jiricek (please can we move on from this mess--he sucks so bad) or Stramel along with a rostered player but I think he would be a great addition to the team on a manageable salary even though he could walk at end of the year.

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    1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

    Thank you for making my point, there is nothing left. This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

    If Zeev wasn't ready, how is Yurov? Zeev is, and will be, three times the player Yurov will ever be.

    Don't get me wrong, Quinn might be the best player to ever play for the Wild in franchise history. Yes, including Kaprizov. Apparently Quinn is rated 7th overall and Kaprizov 10th. He will make this team much better and improve every aspect, but is it enough? The offense was weakened with this trade, especially the injury prone depth. My point was, more is needed and they don't have the capital to do much. Like I said in another post, this feels more like a feel good and butts in seats move. We'll see. I bet they do make it to the second round this season, finally, but how much further??

    Re contender - 

    Before adding one of the best Defenseman in the league - Wild were top 4 in the west. With top goal tending and stellar but not tremendously productive D. Our PP stagnated. To remedy these deficiencies the team went out and added a superstar. We are now a top 3 team and likely to overtake stars in points shortly. I think we are a legitimate contender.

    Re Zeev v Yurov comp -

    Zeev is an offensive defenseman - who needs time to built up his game (both offensive and defensive is still needs work - and he can work on that with lesser stakes). He may be elite or maybe good, but it’s silly comparing him to Yurov - a responsible C/F - who is growing and bettering his game every single day. Not to mention slowly showing his offensive prowess (he is not cheating but taking his time) - that’s more important to a team that are in a win now mode

    Re Kap vs QH

    while I disagree, I think having 2 top 10 players and likely 3 in the top 15/20 makes us legit.  

    Re this year -

    It’s going to be a brutal playoffs but we are not going to have an underdog mentality

    I think they get past Dallas

    Avs will be a blood bath (but maybe 🦈 team comes in as last WC team and does what many underdogs do - best Goliath for us!) 😎

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    1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

    The offense was weakened with this trade, especially the injury prone depth. My point was, more is needed and they don't have the capital to do much.

    I'm really conflicted on this trade.  I resolve it in my mind that while Zeev might end up being a Quinn Hughes type player in the future, that Quinn Hughes is currently a Quinn Hughes type player.

    And while there have been plenty of games where Rossi looked like the only player on the ice who gave a damn, there was also the playoffs last year where I think the 4th line demotion gave the team the best opportunity to win with how Hartzy looked up on the 2nd.  And for a $5M contract, Rossi is a damn steal.

    However, I don't see a significant impact of Yurov-Ekker-Hartzy-Sturm vs. Rossi-Ekker-Yurov-Sturm.  

    And Ohgren?  I don't see him currently being a difference maker on this roster offensively that we can't backfill with a guy from Iowa or a TDL acquisition.  I put him in the same camp as Knut.  Young guys who belong on the league, who can put up a highlight now and then, but their underlying stats aren't going to carry a team (knut, 4g, 4a in 28 games this season with Pasta & Geekie as linemates)

    And finally, what's easier to get a 'big fish free agent' to look to come here?  You get to play with Kaprizov, Hughes, Boldy & Faber or you get to play with Kaprizov, Boldy, Rossi & Faber?

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    2 hours ago, B1GKappa97 said:

    Senko-Yurov-Hartman could be a solid 3rd line in the playoffs (though I hope we upgrade on Tarasenko, personally..) and Foligno-Sturm-Trenin is pretty much made for the playoffs as a 4th line.

    Can Foligno stay healthy, though? And can he start producing again. He's been one of if not my favorite player, but this year has been a disappointment. 

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