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  • Are the Wild Missing Their Next Big Opportunity In Pierre-Luc Dubois?


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    Tony Abbott

    With the Vegas Golden Knights one game away from the Stanley Cup, Hockey Wilderness has been hammering on a simple fact. The Golden Knights and Florida Panthers took big opportunities to add stars, and rode them to the Cup Final, and the Wild didn't.

    Admittedly, it's not like the Wild never took a big shot before. What else were the Zach Parise and Ryan Suter contracts? Hindsight makes that look worse than most thought they were at the time, especially with how much those contracts are weighing on the team today. 

    Still, even after acknowledging a decade-old big swing, it's hard to see Jack Eichel and Matthew Tkachuk still skating while the Wild are sitting at home. Doubly so when even Eichel himself believed he'd land in Minnesota for a time.

    Nothing can be done about the past, though. All Bill Guerin and the Wild can do is learn from their missed opportunity and strike the next time an opportunity comes up. Except that the Wild don't have a clean path to jump on the opportunity that may be unfolding this summer.

    Center Pierre-Luc Dubois is asking out of the Winnipeg Jets organization. Dubois needs a contract and is one year away from unrestricted free agency (UFA). All PLD needs to do is get to arbitration, get a one-year deal, and skip town afterwards. The Jets obviously need to trade him now.

    To get a strong return, Winnipeg needs to trade Dubois to a team he's willing to extend with. It's long been thought he'd only want to go to the Montreal Canadiens long-term, but Jeff Marek said something that should interest Wild fans last week. "I put out there that I believe he would be warm to the [New York] Rangers and the Minnesota Wild."

    But the problem is... well, see above: The Parise and Suter contracts are twin albatrosses on the salary cap. The Wild literally can't afford to ink Dubois at even the $6 million he signed for last offseason. Evolving-Hockey is bearish on his next contract, projecting just five years at a $6.5 million freight, but the demand for a 25-year-old center has to be higher than that. The guy is going to get paid.

    Barring an unforeseen series of events, this isn't happening. Should the State of Hockey be worried about missing the boat on yet another opportunity to bring a talented young center in?

    It's a tough call, at least at the moment. There's no doubt that the Wild would benefit from bringing in Dubois. He looks like exactly the kind of player Minnesota needs down the middle. Dubois brings size and strength, a scorer's touch, and consistently drives offense at even strength. He's coming off back-to-back seasons with at least 27 goals and 60 points. 

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    Dubois' good qualities translate to results on the ice, too. Over the past two seasons, his play was worth 8.5 Standings Points Above Replacement (SPAR) to the Jets. That puts him at about the same level as centers like Sidney Crosby (8.5), Sebastian Aho (8.3), and Tage Thompson (8.0). If Minnesota added any of those three players, that'd register as a franchise-changing center acquisition to most Wild fans. 

    But are we talking about a true difference-maker or a mere upgrade? It's debatable, but we're gonna lean towards mere upgrade here. At least, not to the level that trading for an Eichel or Tkachuk would have been.

    It can't be understated just how great Eichel and Tkachuk are in comparison to even a typical first-line caliber player like Dubois. We talked about Tkachuk recently, but we can give you the short version here: He's basically an MVP candidate. He's scored 3.17 points per hour at 5-on-5 over the past two seasons, the top player among anyone with 1000-plus 5-on-5 minutes. His 17.3 SPAR isn't just third in the NHL over the past two years, it's more than double what Dubois mustered.

    Eichel's recovery from injury last season brings down his two-year totals, but focusing on last season shows how much he out-shined Dubois. Their counting numbers are similar. Dubois had 27 goals and 63 points in 73 games, and Eichel had 27 goals and 66 points in 67 games. But any deeper look swings the discussion wildly in Eichel's favor.

    The NHL had 278 forwards who played 750 5-on-5 minutes last season. Eichel finished in the league's Top-30 in goals per hour (1.25) and points per hour (2.45). Look at the players equivalent to Eichel, and you'll find names like Artemi Panarin (2.45), Nikita Kucherov (2.44), and Leon Draisaitl (2.41).

    What are we looking with Dubois' 5-on-5 scoring? A respectable, but very unspectacular 1.71 points per hour. We're talking about the even-strength scoring punch of players like Andrew Copp (1.72), Vinnie Hinostroza (1.71), and Christian Dvorak (1.70), who are firmly in Just A Guy territory.

    Scoring isn't everything, of course. In four of PLD's six full seasons, he's earned his team 4.0 SPAR or more. That's valuable, and certainly not being Just A Guy. But the upside with Eichel and Tkachuk is just so much higher. Dubois' peak was at 5.5 SPAR, back in 2018-19, when he was Panarin's center for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Tkachuk and Eichel both have two seasons with a higher SPAR than that peak. Over their careers, here are how the three players stack up in terms of SPAR per 82 games.

    Tkachuk: 5.91
    Eichel: 5.05
    Dubois: 4.01

    Maybe it doesn't seem like a huge difference, but that's the difference between being elite and being very good. Remember those Parise and Suter acquisitions? After the Wild paid top-dollar for them, to the point where they're still paying for those signings today, they gave Minnesota 3.34 and 3.79 SPAR per 82 games, respectively.

    You know: very good production but not difference-making.

    The Wild are going to have to spend a ton of money in order to lock down Dubois, plus a large amount of draft and prospect capital. For a truly elite player, you bite that bullet. That's what we've learned from these playoffs. The Wild also learned a decade ago that overspending on a very-good-not-elite player maybe isn't the best course of action, either. It might stink to be completely out of the running on Dubois, but this simply isn't another Eichel situation.

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    Let’s hope they miss. Total Chuck Fletcher move. Overpay for a prima dona who’s got mental problems sounds terrible to me. So far it hasn’t worked anywhere. Maybe MN I guess...

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    Dubois was in Columbus, but became disgruntled and forced a trade to Winnipeg for Laine, who was also unhappy and wanted a trade. Neither team ended up benefiting from that trade.

    The Wild should stay away from players who are prone to tempor tantrums, as it rarely ends well. Dubois could come to the Wild, but after playing for a year or so, I could easily see him demanding a trade. I doubt he would get along with Guerin or Evason, and certainly wouldn't like getting bounced in round one of the playoffs every year.

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    On 6/12/2023 at 4:06 PM, Protec said:

    Let’s hope they miss. Total Chuck Fletcher move. Overpay for a prima dona who’s got mental problems sounds terrible to me. So far it hasn’t worked anywhere. Maybe MN I guess...

    I have to agree.

    i do not think this guy is a good fit.

    he seems to have tiny heart syndrome.

    I think he’s going to the Habs anyway 

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    Are his complaints warranted? Or is he just a whiner? Did he envision being the top center in Winnipeg? It pretty much looked like he quit on Columbus. Is it just Montreal or bust for him? Would playing with someone of like Kaprizov change things? Would winning change things?

    It just seems to me that this guy has got a lot of talent, a huge body and would be a great fit on paper for us. But there are red flags, and those red flags likely mean a lower salary on an extension that would need to be in place. 

    If we're only relegated to getting another LW in the 1st round, I'd be willing to chance it. We've got to solve the down the middle problem this year. The player doesn't have to be here yet for it to be solved, but we need an answer.

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    Montreal loves apathetic Quebec natives. Remember when they traded Sergachev for Drouin? How’d that work out?

    I don’t see why the Wild would wait and not get Eichel, Miller, or Dubious the first time but then after bailing on WPG, now MN should want him.

    Doesn’t make sense to me, but of course you can get damaged goods cheap. Talk’n about grit, who wants the guy who can’t get motivated for millions and hates life in the last two cities the same. No dignity, everyone thinks you’re a goofball. Who’s his agent? So weird.

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    8 minutes ago, Protec said:

    Doesn’t make sense to me, but of course you can get damaged goods cheap. Talk’n about grit, who wants the guy who can’t get motivated for millions and hates life in the last two cities the same. No dignity, everyone thinks you’re a goofball. Who’s his agent? So weird.

    I'm not saying it isn't risky, but are there legit reasons for the complaints? Sometimes a bad fit for a player just ends badly. These have been 2 bad fits. Is Montreal the only good fit? Maybe. Maybe not.

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    I think PLD is talented. He's shown flashes like Drouin did, like Granlund, Zucker, Coyle, or Kakko. Some players just don't reach the heights MN needs. The Wild don't have cap space to take chances with.

    Yes sometimes there's a bad fit or change of scenery needed. Perhaps there's cases of expectations being set too high.

    I just think when you remove yourself from the current thing and look historically at similar cases or players, you find that the truth emerges and offers a glimpse into the current situations. When asked, players will talk about talented hockey players who decide when they want to play. Guys who's heart is far greater than their talent. Some players can just score goals or be winners. Goalies who can stand on their head. Most often these things come and go over a handful of years. Very few players prove themselves as consistently driven and talented enough to be great. Good for a period, yes but perhaps not great. Kaprizov is already the best player MN has ever had but what does that do to get closer to a Cup. In the beginning, nada...

    I think the Wild want to build center depth and we've waited and tried to find the right deal. MN has waited this long, let's hope the timing and assets work out to go after Stephenson or Draisaitl later, or affordable guys now like Haula & Nosek who MN could afford and went to the Finals together while in Vegas.

    This is exactly why I said PLD is a Chuck Fletcher move cause he liked to do flashy stuff making it seem like he was buying the hype or willing to overlook risk for a short-term benefit.

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    7 hours ago, Protec said:

    Montreal loves apathetic Quebec natives. Remember when they traded Sergachev for Drouin? How’d that work out?

    I don’t see why the Wild would wait and not get Eichel, Miller, or Dubious the first time but then after bailing on WPG, now MN should want him.

    Doesn’t make sense to me, but of course you can get damaged goods cheap. Talk’n about grit, who wants the guy who can’t get motivated for millions and hates life in the last two cities the same. No dignity, everyone thinks you’re a goofball. Who’s his agent? So weird.

    He needs to go to Buffalo. Him and Diggsy can cry in their beers together...

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    19 hours ago, Protec said:

    I think the Wild want to build center depth and we've waited and tried to find the right deal. MN has waited this long, let's hope the timing and assets work out to go after Stephenson or Draisaitl later, or affordable guys now like Haula & Nosek who MN could afford and went to the Finals together while in Vegas.

    This is exactly why I said PLD is a Chuck Fletcher move cause he liked to do flashy stuff making it seem like he was buying the hype or willing to overlook risk for a short-term benefit.

    I'm ok getting the center in a couple of years, but we need the longterm solution filled this offseason, whether it's with draft picks, trades, or whatever. Perhaps their delivery date isn't until '25, but having that plugged into the system is what's needed!

    Remember, this take is based upon us not landing a center with our 1st pick and drafting another LW instead.

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    Get the best center you can with size and skill as a priority. The one caveat being, not to skip an ideal wing or defenseman. 

    Approach the first three picks that way and hope you get 2-3 centers. I think even if you could get to 17th, most of the highly ranked centers are gone. 

    If you can't get Detroit's first pick or Arzona's second, or Pittsburgh's at 14th, I think you just wait.

    Try to trade Addison to get a 3rd pick in the 2nd round. Detroit's 40th overall, I'm thinking...

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    The club would have to go through a ton of financial gymnastics to make a deal like this a reality right now. Outside of maturity and mental stability, he could possibly fill a lot of needs up the middle, but I'd be surprised if he had any interest in coming to the Wild. He has already been with two organizations that share similarities with the Wild. What makes anyone think he'd be happy in St. Paul? I would approach this with a heapin' helpin' of intense caution. He comes across as a me, me, me player which leads me to believe he'd be a poor fit in the Wild room... 

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