Article: The Quinn Hughes Trade Changed Everything

[Eric Forga]

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[Pablo]

Great article!!! Hughes and his leadership is everything the wild needed. Its going to be the separation of The Hughes era defining not only the wild but the pressure it puts on the stars and avs. The stars already appear to be caving in. Their schedule is absolutely brutal for the next 2 weeks and they flat out got beat by the surging Sabres in their last game. The Hughes era started at just the right time and a month from now, we may see the Stars way back in the rear view mirror.  
The important late season question is, will the Avs burn out or does that train just keep rolling. 

[Burnt Toast]

Great article and the stats and eye test back it up. Only disagree with the Wild wanting a new Metrodome because the roofs aren’t that good. 

[Burnt Toast]

I’m forgetting everything about this team from the past and going full New Year and evaluating from here to season’s end. 

Edited January 1 by Burnt Toast
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[mnfaninnc]

You can see it in everyone's play, everyone boosted their game. That's what changed everything means! 

Remember that Hynes' method of never making a mistake or it can cost you a game. Playing never to make a mistake is difficult mentally and has a severe cost in aggressiveness. They can now play as if a mistake or 2 isn't going to cost them a win, they can play freer, but still within the structure of Hynes' system. 

It's a load off everyone's shoulders and you can just see a faster team playing with more confidence in all their individual skills. As far as expectations go, for everyone involved in the team, the needle has moved from hope to win to expect to win. That jump in confidence pays a lot of dividends as teams playing us now move into the hope category instead of the expect category. Now they get to play with the burden of 1 mistake could cost them the game. 

This side of the fence certainly seems a lot more fun! I still believe Shooter isn't done yet. Let's see what else he can do to help this squad.

[Dis-allowed display name]

He has changed a lot and the scoring is definitely up.  I would like to see his pairing ending up with Kap's line more.  I was at the game in Vegas and his line was totally shut down all night but every time I looked to see who they were on the ice with I would see Bogo or Mids.

The puck just moves so effortlessly most of the time when he and Faber get control of the puck and offensive zone entries are no longer a struggle.  

For anyone wanting to see a road game, and I am not a gambler, Vegas was really fun and you should consider it.  Their arena is great and in the center of everything on the strip, plenty to do while you are there. And probably 5% of the people in attendance were Wild fans.  Many organized a post game party at a bar after the game (we did not attend.)  A goal 15 seconds into the first period shut the crowd up and it was a MN Wild party from the jump.

We placed bets on the Wild winning and scoring first and cashed both.  Cha ching!  Thanks Nojo!  I....um.....never had a bad word to say about you!

Edited Thursday at 11:56 PM by Dis-allowed display name

[MNCountryLife]

It was a good team before the trade.    Now it is a great team.   Just stay in the moment and play our game.  Even injuries didn't put us in a tail spin.   Going to be a fun spring. 

[OldDutchChip]

Tons of rumors out there saying Billy is looking to boost our Center depth. However, the typical names are likely staying put - 

• Sabres are not dealing Tage/Tuch with them being in the hunt and winning 10 games in a row
• ROR is also likely not going anywhere, as Preds are making their way into WC spot (and i do not want to include 1st and/or Yurov for him)
• Tkachuk and Pasta are likely not going to be moved, nor do we have enough assets to pull that off - so count them out....what is left?

I think Bill needs to call our northern friends in Winnipeg to see if they are ready to sell - would there be an appetite for them to move Scheifele?

They peaked last year and it's not looking good for them long term - slow, aging - they need a lifeline and re-build. 

So....would Yurov and two 1sts 2027/28? Preferably we keep Yurov (but we have to be realistic - they likely will ask for him) Yes - the odds are against us - with it being same division - but....

Any Prospect (not Yurov) + Vlady/Harty and 2 1st round picks = Scheifele

thoughts? any chance?

 

[Dis-allowed display name]

15 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

 

So....would Yurov and two 1sts 2027/28? Preferably we keep Yurov (but we have to be realistic - they likely will ask for him) Yes - the odds are against us - with it being same division - but....

Any Prospect (not Yurov) + Vlady/Harty and 2 1st round picks = Scheifele

thoughts? any chance?

 

Frankly, I'd listen to takers for any prospect not up with the main club, including Stramel.  But 2 firsts?  Hell no.  We would not have a pick for three years?  

I understand the win now mentality, but you are also going up against an AVS team that thumped us and has what 30 wins and 2 losses?  I understand you need to take a chance but do you really want to risk it all against a team that has a once in a decade record to MAYBE beat them (and maybe not) but it will only cost you your future for the next several years?  Ballsy yes, but I am more risk averse.

The one point in your favor is Sheifele is that he has years left on his deal which makes me more open to it.  If it were somebody not named Yurov, a first and maybe a second, and some filler from the current roster, I would do it.  Call me crazy, but I would want more than one first in a four year period.  

I also would be more willing to do it if it looked like a more typical year.  The fact we would have to get by Dallas and the Avs with their insane record makes me skittish of going all in.  Maybe I am just a wuss though.  I really think it was to much to add Ohgren in the last deal because he seemed like a throw in and he would have been nice to use as some kind of extra chip in a later deal.  

 

And this is a change of subject but the Wild really could use another player with some shootout moves.  It is sad when you have to miss Gaudreau.

Edited Friday at 03:49 AM by Dis-allowed display name

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Dis-allowed display name said:

Frankly, I'd listen to takers for any prospect not up with the main club, including Stramel.  But 2 firsts?  Hell no.  We would not have a pick for three years?  

I understand the win now mentality, but you are also going up against an AVS team that thumped us and has what 30 wins and 2 losses?  I understand you need to take a chance but do you really want to risk it all against a team that has a once in a decade record to MAYBE beat them (and maybe not) but it will only cost you your future for the next several years?  Ballsy yes, but I am more risk averse.

The one point in your favor is Sheifele is that he has years left on his deal which makes me more open to it.  If it were somebody not named Yurov, a first and maybe a second, and some filler from the current roster, I would do it.  Call me crazy, but I would want more than one first in a four year period.  

I also would be more willing to do it if it looked like a more typical year.  The fact we would have to get by Dallas and the Avs with their insane record makes me skittish of going all in.  Maybe I am just a wuss though.

Scheifele does have a good contract and wouldn't block us from signing QH. Actually might help seal the deal. There is no way Hughes would leave Kap, Boldy, Ek and Scheifele. They are all in their prime (with Scheifele not as old as ROR)

Yes, we would be loosing prospects.....but we are all in now, so who cares about a couple of picks in the 20th? another Height or Haight or Stramel? 

I think Avs and Stars can be bested. And I'd throw it all for a chance to run "wild" for next 5 years. 

Kap, Boldy, Ek, Scheifele....i just don't think there's been such a powerhouse on Offense in the last decade plus. Not to mention our D and G are tops in the league.
I think i'd do it. 🍻

[TCMooch]

I’m fine trading picks and prospects if we get a center with term on a decent contract.

as far as comment with Avs having historic season so why go in now? President cup curse baby!

 Also there will always be a reason not to go all in if you have that mentality. It’s the playoffs and anything can happen

[mnfaninnc]

15 hours ago, Dis-allowed display name said:

For anyone wanting to see a road game, and I am not a gambler, Vegas was really fun and you should consider it.  Their arena is great and in the center of everything on the strip, plenty to do while you are there. And probably 5% of the people in attendance were Wild fans.  Many organized a post game party at a bar after the game (we did not attend.)  A goal 15 seconds into the first period shut the crowd up and it was a MN Wild party from the jump.

On TV, there were definitely loud cheers when the Wild scored. Either that 5% was really loud, or there were more than that in the crowd. 

[mnfaninnc]

13 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

So....would Yurov and two 1sts 2027/28? Preferably we keep Yurov (but we have to be realistic - they likely will ask for him) Yes - the odds are against us - with it being same division - but....

Any Prospect (not Yurov) + Vlady/Harty and 2 1st round picks = Scheifele

thoughts? any chance?

3 1sts for Scheifele, to me, sounds a bit pricey. I wouldn't put him in the 3-4th tier of players, or consider him a top 30 player in the league. I would think a 1st and prospect should be able to get it done...prospect being not a rostered player. I'm thinking a guy like Lambos.

[OldDutchChip]

21 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

3 1sts for Scheifele, to me, sounds a bit pricey. I wouldn't put him in the 3-4th tier of players, or consider him a top 30 player in the league. I would think a 1st and prospect should be able to get it done...prospect being not a rostered player. I'm thinking a guy like Lambos.

i don't think that's enough. but if so - yes pls.

[mnfaninnc]

13 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i don't think that's enough. but if so - yes pls.

I suppose the big factor would be if there is a bidding war. There was with Hughes which have some people looking at an overpay, but to get him, that was the price. If Scheifele is the only center out there for sale, then, you're probably right. 

Would the price be similar to Brock Nelson? One thing Scheifele does give us is that RHS, so that is a positive. 

So, here we would be again, if we're going after the player, then the goal is to obtain the player. If that takes more, then it takes more, but is Scheifele the best answer here. Would that type of package get us a Pettersson? Would Pettersson be a better fit than Scheifele? 

Also, I could see a roster player being involved if needed for cap concerns, but would prefer retention. Seems like for that type of package, you would get maximum retention on top of it!

Edited Friday at 05:28 PM by mnfaninnc

[OldDutchChip]

25 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I suppose the big factor would be if there is a bidding war. There was with Hughes which have some people looking at an overpay, but to get him, that was the price. If Scheifele is the only center out there for sale, then, you're probably right. 

Would the price be similar to Brock Nelson? One thing Scheifele does give us is that RHS, so that is a positive. 

So, here we would be again, if we're going after the player, then the goal is to obtain the player. If that takes more, then it takes more, but is Scheifele the best answer here. Would that type of package get us a Pettersson? Would Pettersson be a better fit than Scheifele? 

Also, I could see a roster player being involved if needed for cap concerns, but would prefer retention. Seems like for that type of package, you would get maximum retention on top of it!

i think Sheifele has more to offer than Pettersson, and is a much better contract. Perhaps jumping on this before the bidding war starts, is a good route?

He is also a more physical presence in the middle (him being a protector of sorts for Zuccy and Kap is a good note too, esp in the POs).

Imagine Kap Zuccy Sheifele line.....would be something to see. 

If it costs 2 1sts i think i would jump at that. For reference, neither or the Florida teams had any firsts recently (tampa had one but that was a very end first) and that comes with the territory of being a true contender. we off loaded one batch of top prospects already, let's not stay half-way. Ship off 2027/28 1st (late first) and bring Sheifele in. 

Sheifele is also with Kap resting up from Olympics so he'd be very hungry to prove Canadians wrong....

[MNCountryLife]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

i think Sheifele has more to offer than Pettersson, and is a much better contract. Perhaps jumping on this before the bidding war starts, is a good route?

Before the Hughes trade the Wild were trying to trade out Hartman.  He appears to be the easiest player we have to move.  I would not be surprised if this still happens.  His numbers have not been great and an extra $4M in cap space would really help at the TDL.

[AKwildkraken]

I like the idea of Scheifele, but I don't see Winnipeg as ready to give him up yet.  I don't think he wants out of Winnipeg or if Winnipeg is going to retool, he's the guy they get rid of.  I'd say he's got 3 to 4 years of good to great level of hockey in him and the Jets can still use him in the future.  Maybe Winnipeg throws the towel in on this year, but I don't see them going full rebuild, not with Hellybuck, Kyle Conor, and company, they have a talented roster.  I think it's a little early for them to pull the plug.

[OldDutchChip]

25 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

Before the Hughes trade the Wild were trying to trade out Hartman.  He appears to be the easiest player we have to move.  I would not be surprised if this still happens.  His numbers have not been great and an extra $4M in cap space would really help at the TDL.

harty has term too, so if Jets were going all-in for teardown, maybe they'll take vlady instead? his $ is only for this year.

then we can work on dumping one of Foligno or Harty after the season to free up some cash for Hughes....

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, AKwildkraken said:

I like the idea of Scheifele, but I don't see Winnipeg as ready to give him up yet.  I don't think he wants out of Winnipeg or if Winnipeg is going to retool, he's the guy they get rid of.  I'd say he's got 3 to 4 years of good to great level of hockey in him and the Jets can still use him in the future.  Maybe Winnipeg throws the towel in on this year, but I don't see them going full rebuild, not with Hellybuck, Kyle Conor, and company, they have a talented roster.  I think it's a little early for them to pull the plug.

they did loose 8 in a row and have the worst pt total in the league, plus sheifele is not in his 20s anymore, so they may be ready to blow it open and start fresh. probably smart for them - that roster peaked last year and not sure how they can compete in the central....unless they are delusional like nashville

[MNCountryLife]

We likely need to trade out a player or two to bring another high end player in.  Who would that be?

BG already tried to move Hartman to Philly.  Other potential trade outs that I could see happening would be Foligno, Mids, Trenin and Valdy.  Not a one of those guys is playing bad.

I don't see BG trading away any of the other higher paid players as they all seem to fill important roles with the team.  Other players have pretty low cap hits so wouldn't get us much.  Might be a rider on a trade.

Valdy, Mids and Foligno all control their contracts and are unlikely to move. Vlady has had a resurgence.  

This leaves Hartman and Trenin as the most likely moves out.  Move them both would open up 7.5M.  Our current cap space is $2.8M so we most likely must move a least one to make another big trade happen.

17 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

then we can work on dumping one of Foligno or Harty after the season to free up some cash for Hughes....

I think Spurgeon is on his last contract.  I am guessing he will want to retire at the end of 26-27.  Add in the extra cap space and I think we will absorb a new Hughes contract easily for 27-28.

[MNCountryLife]

20 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

harty has term too, so if Jets were going all-in for teardown, maybe they'll take vlady instead? his $ is only for this year.

Vlady's contract will be difficult to move.  Unlikely he wants to play for a worse team.

[MNCountryLife]

25 minutes ago, AKwildkraken said:

I like the idea of Scheifele, but I don't see Winnipeg as ready to give him up yet.  I don't think he wants out of Winnipeg or if Winnipeg is going to retool, he's the guy they get rid of.  I'd say he's got 3 to 4 years of good to great level of hockey in him and the Jets can still use him in the future.  Maybe Winnipeg throws the towel in on this year, but I don't see them going full rebuild, not with Hellybuck, Kyle Conor, and company, they have a talented roster.  I think it's a little early for them to pull the plug.

Even if they pull the plug for this year.. The Jets are a solid team and I doubt they scrap the roster completely.  I could see them dumping one of their mid-level players such as Lowry or Iafallo.

[MNCountryLife]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

unless they are delusional like nashville

One year removed from a pretty good run... I'm betting they are delusional.. 🤕  LOL

[MNCountryLife]

There are other things BG can consider when looking at this roster.  We had quite a few reserves up at the end of November and they played some pretty darn good hockey.  Hunt, Ben Jones, Kierstad, Pitlick, Vinnie, Aube-Kubel and even Jiricek all played great while filling in for injuries.  The team didn't seem to miss a beat.  Guys that can step up and fill the shoes of a higher paid player can be valuable when making trades.