Article: Brock Faber May Be the Biggest Winner Of the Quinn Hughes Trade

[Imyourhuckleberry]

20 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

Maybe we could have offered less... but maybe someone else would offer more and we missed out.  BG put out his best offer first and stole the show.  Gotta give it to the guy... when he is in on something he puts both feet in.

I have been critical of the trade because the Wild didn't get more in return for those significant assets sent out. If Kiefer Sherwood or the Canucks 2nd round pick came back with Hughes, I would feel like the trade were more even(even a 3rd round pick would have helped offset the loss of the 1st round pick, leaving more assets for future deals). Or if the Wild didn't give up any 4 of the assets in the deal, it would obviously have been better.

It felt like Vancouver was given a deal they couldn't reasonably say no to given that they had no option but to trade Quinn Hughes, and Buium is maybe 2 years away from being a Quinn Hughes type of player, plus they got a lot more than that.

Obviously Guerin had a strong desire to get the trade done, and I'm not saying he's an idiot, but I see a chance of Buium becoming as good as the player he traded for, or better, even if he isn't right now. I personally would have needed more to part with what the Wild gave up.

There's a reason that the Canucks essentially asked the Wild to make an offer, and that's because Buium is a young player like the one they had to trade.

Most good trades do leave both teams thinking they should have gotten more to make the deal, so I'm not saying it was an insane deal, but I still feel like it favored Vancouver given the situation. Now, if the Wild fail to get beyond the 1st round and need to trade Quinn Hughes because he will not extend here(and Buium excels in the manner many people expect), then I will think it's a fireable misuse of assets, but there were a lot of people that wanted to fire Guerin before this, so I guess that goes with the territory.

The trade certainly made this hockey season more interesting. Definitely more for the 2 teams involved in the deal, but also generating buzz among all hockey fans.

[MNCountryLife]

12 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I have been critical of the trade because the Wild didn't get more in return for those significant assets sent out. If Kiefer Sherwood or the Canucks 2nd round pick came back with Hughes, I would feel like the trade were more even(even a 3rd round pick would have helped offset the loss of the 1st round pick, leaving more assets for future deals). Or if the Wild didn't give up any 4 of the assets in the deal, it would obviously have been better.

The Wild need 1 of 2 things to happen for this trade to be historically positive for the Wild. 

1)  If Hughes resigns to a longer deal.

2)  If the Wild make it to a conference final in the next 2 years.

If neither of those 2 things happens... then the Wild just gave away the house for nothing in return.  BG seems to reveal who he likes and who he doesn't quickly.  He likes Boldy, Ek, Kirill, Faber etc... He didn't like Fiala (gone), Rossi(gone).. argued with Cam Talbot (gone).    We were not going to keep Rossi or Ohgren.

Players he likes he is willing to give massive contracts to... tough to say no by a player.  BG seems to honor handshake deals and expects players to honor them as well.  With that in mind I have to think Hughes signs long term.

I am a big fan of Buium.  I just liked watching the guy play at another level with the puck on his stick.  I have no idea if he will become a player of Hughes caliber....  I think he will.  Ohgren and the late 1st rounder are no big deal.  Rossi left the lineup and we got better with Yurov at 1C.  Yurov "will be" better than Rossi.  Yurov made Rossi expendable.  For the Wild the trade comes down to Buium for Hughes.  We need a guy that can impact the playoffs in Kirill's prime.  Hughes does that.  Buium doesn't.  

For Vancouver they can play all 3 and get meaningful improvements for all 3.  All 3 will be better in Vancouver.  BG did all 3 of them a favor as well.  It was a very favorable player trade for all players involved.

Was it a good trade.  Nobody has that answer yet.  But that answer is out there and we will find out eventually.  Let's hope we find out in June. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

6 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

a big fan of Buium.  I just liked watching the guy play at another level with the puck on his stick.  I have no idea if he will become a player of Hughes caliber....  I think he will.

I don't disagree. Ohgren scored his first goal of the season tonight, beating Quick on a shot off the rush. Both teams are playing well. Could be a good move for both. I'm very confident it was good for Vancouver, but coming around on it for the Wild.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

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“Vancouver did very well, considering the circumstances,” yet another West exec said. “Bold move by the Wild. Pressure is on to win now. I think the longer it went, the less the Canucks would get in return. Buium could be a very similar player in the near future.”

There were a number of other rival team execs who didn’t want to be quoted, but if there was a theme to what they shared on background, it’s that the Wild deserve huge props for that kind of swing — but also the Canucks did very well on the return.

I didn’t get one single exec who, even off the record, thought the Canucks could have done much better.

--The Athletic

Things have started nicely for both teams since the trade, and you can see some of the value that Quinn Hughes brings. The Wild were winning pretty regularly before he got here, so not reading too much into the last couple of games, but the team has been looking rather strong despite missing several guys. One thing that stands out to me is that Hughes has not been involved that much in the scoring, but the Wild have dominated the scoring. Hard to say why, but cannot argue that the results aren't there.

Not seeing a lot of calls to fire Hynes now, are we?

[SpaceCowboy]

I agree with the idea that Buium is a Hughes like player but 2 years away. However, the Wild's main guy is in his prime right now and your TWO goalies are on fire right now. The future is never guaranteed. I get going all in this year to capitalize on the prime of Kaprizov and JEE. Would have loved to keep Buium but sometimes you have to give to get 

[raithis]

14 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Not seeing a lot of calls to fire Hynes now, are we?

Fans are often fickle, myopic, impatient, and overly speculative.

Plus, sports betting gets some of them worked up even more because now they also have a financial stake in the result of the game, leading to even more abrupt shifts in how people view a coach, a player, a GM, etc, and everyone else starts piling on too.

While I don't think Hynes is a great coach, I also don't think he's as terrible as some people make him out to be.  He does an all right job and he much more adaptable than Evason ever was.

I also had a bunch of back-and-forth with someone earlier in the season about how I thought everyone was overreacting to the slow start to the season.  The team started winning shortly thereafter and all that failed season/tear it down talk pretty much dried up too.  Funny how that works.

I both understand people and don't understand people.

 

[MNCountryLife]

15 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

One thing that stands out to me is that Hughes has not been involved that much in the scoring, but the Wild have dominated the scoring. Hard to say why, but cannot argue that the results aren't there.

I wonder a bit if this run is as much to do with Ek taking his game to a new level.  The guy has been really visible the last 2 weeks....and he wasn't playing bad before.

[Enforceror]

56 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

I wonder a bit if this run is as much to do with Ek taking his game to a new level.  The guy has been really visible the last 2 weeks....and he wasn't playing bad before.

Definitely helps but I think as a whole, the team has been way more connected. 

During October, there was a lot disjointed plays and clumsy passing.