Article: Bill Guerin Handled the Marco Rossi Trade Perfectly

[Chris Schad]

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[Patrick]

I would say BG salvaged the Rossi situation. When a player does everything an organization asks for, including skipping his sisters wedding for off season training, loses a year to a life threatening disease, and still outperforms most expectations and gets treated like dirt. It doesn't look good for the organization. 

Rossi is a class act. I will always cheer for him.

BG on the other hand is a greaseball and I can't wait till he is gone.

[MrCheatachu]

26 minutes ago, Patrick said:

BG on the other hand is a greaseball and I can't wait till he is gone

I get the sense that SillyG has 'his guys' and then he's got a second group of guys he seems to be irrationally angry at like Fiala and Rossi.

I was 99% sure when Dumba hit the waiver wire that SillyG was going to take a swing because Dumba was his type of guy.

Hell, look at the slobber-fest between Buium and Guerin:

• Guerin on Buium:  "special kid and a special human"
• Buium on Guerin: "Bill Guerin is an unbelievable person. He's such a smart guy."

[Scalptrash]

Now Billy needs to find someone equal to or better than Rossi (without trading the other half of the prospects and picks) and I'll feel better about this trade.

Jiricek can go now, and needs to.

It's ironic how two of the biggest trades the Wild have ever made were in the last year and both were to acquire defensemen. The last thing the Wild need.

I get the trade for Hughes, you have to do it if the opportunity presents itself, but we'll see how much better the team truly is come April. Now severely lacking youth, depth, and with a weakened top six, it still seems like a tall task.

Prove me wrong Billy and go get a real 1C! Hopefully there is enough left in the cupboard, but probably not.

Article suggestion; what real assets do the Wild have left after Billy's trading sprees?

[mnfaninnc]

What did Guerin do right? He resigned Rossi to an affordable contract and kept enough cap space where he could make a move like this. The move cost us just under $3m in cap space.

I am wondering how we'll fill the positions and still feel we're a bit away. But, if we go after a center, he needs to be an offensive 200' guy. It looks like this will be how the team is built. 

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Now Billy needs to find someone equal to or better than Rossi (without trading the other half of the prospects and picks) and I'll feel better about this trade.

Jiricek can go now, and needs to.

It's ironic how two of the biggest trades the Wild have ever made were in the last year and both were to acquire defensemen. The last thing the Wild need.

I get the trade for Hughes, you have to do it if the opportunity presents itself, but we'll see how much better the team truly is come April. Now severely lacking youth, depth, and with a weakened top six, it still seems like a tall task.

Prove me wrong Billy and go get a real 1C! Hopefully there is enough left in the cupboard, but probably not.

Article suggestion; what real assets do the Wild have left after Billy's trading sprees?

We are done going after the big fish. There is nothing to barter with. You are not getting 1C. So make peace with that.

our 1C is Yurov.

and our D was definitely in need of an upgrade - we were towards the bottom in the league in D scoring

on top of that our PP was horrendous lately and QH helps there 

the only option left is to solidify C depth with a veteran - ROR perhaps, not 1C

[B1GKappa97]

1 hour ago, Patrick said:

I would say BG salvaged the Rossi situation. When a player does everything an organization asks for, including skipping his sisters wedding for off season training, loses a year to a life threatening disease, and still outperforms most expectations and gets treated like dirt. It doesn't look good for the organization. 

Rossi is a class act. I will always cheer for him.

BG on the other hand is a greaseball and I can't wait till he is gone.

Nobody asked him to skip his sister's wedding. And he wasn't treated like dirt, he just didn't have any leverage in the situation. 

Sorry that you're upset the GM did his job well I guess...

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Peterka is doing pretty well for Utah, so that wouldn't have been a terrible deal if Buffalo was interested.

If felt like Guerin was playing it smart by not wasting his assets on guys who wouldn't be difference makers.

Wild had a solid first game with Quinn Hughes, but also seemed like an off night for Boston while the players on the Wild from the start of the season were buzzing and making plays. Quinn Hughes chipped in a 5-hole goal too.

Wild have climbed to top 4 in the West, but have a tough stretch ahead:

Capitals

@ Blue Jackets

Oilers

Avalanche

With Evason, the Blue Jackets are likely to play the Wild tough even though they are near the bottom of the East currently. Edmonton is 6-3-1 in their last 10, and both Washington and Colorado are 7-1-2 in their last 10.

If they Wild come out of that stretch with a few wins, they should be looking like a contender.

Edited 13 hours ago by Imyourhuckleberry

[B1GKappa97]

11 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

only option left is to solidify C depth with a veteran - ROR perhaps, not 1C

ROR would be an epic addition for this team tbh. He could potentially play on the top-line for us too if they want to give Kap/Zuccy more chances to start with the puck since he's so good in the faceoff. 

Plus you could probably stick with a Zuccy-ROR-Kap line in the playoffs instead of making Hynes feel like he needs to go with the Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov line. 

Senko-Yurov-Hartman could be a solid 3rd line in the playoffs (though I hope we upgrade on Tarasenko, personally..) and Foligno-Sturm-Trenin is pretty much made for the playoffs as a 4th line.

[Willy the poor boy]

2 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

Nobody asked him to skip his sister's wedding. And he wasn't treated like dirt, he just didn't have any leverage in the situation. 

Sorry that you're upset the GM did his job well I guess...

He was treated like shit very publicly.

Sorry your upset our GM is a clueless prick...

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 minute ago, Willy the poor boy said:

He was treated like shit very publicly.

In what ways? I haven't seen anything.

[B1GKappa97]

1 minute ago, Willy the poor boy said:

He was treated like shit very publicly.

Sorry your upset our GM is a clueless prick...

How? Because they put him on a line in the playoffs with more physical players who were playing a style he wasn't? Because the GM challenged him to be less passive at this level a few years back, which clearly helped his game? 

[Scalptrash]

2 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

How? Because they put him on a line in the playoffs with more physical players who were playing a style he wasn't? Because the GM challenged him to be less passive at this level a few years back, which clearly helped his game? 

Don't forget, Zuccy called him out and said he needed to pass more, right around the time his play declined (injury also around that time, supposedly).

I'm sure he feels like a huge weight has been lifted, he might even do better now, we'll see.

Edited 13 hours ago by Scalptrash

[Willy the poor boy]

2 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

In what ways? I haven't seen anything.

I don't remember him ever having his back. He's very publicly always let it be known he's a trade chip. Never that I can recall, ever publicly speaking about his willingness to put in the extra work which a majority of today's players won't do. Zmong other things 

[B1GKappa97]

3 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Don't forget, Zuccy called him out and said he needed to pass more, right around the time his play declined (injury also around that time, supposedly).

-.- that was a joke, man. 

[Scalptrash]

21 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

We are done going after the big fish. There is nothing to barter with. You are not getting 1C. So make peace with that.

our 1C is Yurov.

and our D was definitely in need of an upgrade - we were towards the bottom in the league in D scoring

on top of that our PP was horrendous lately and QH helps there 

the only option left is to solidify C depth with a veteran - ROR perhaps, not 1C

Thank you for making my point, there is nothing left. This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

If Zeev wasn't ready, how is Yurov? Zeev is, and will be, three times the player Yurov will ever be.

Don't get me wrong, Quinn might be the best player to ever play for the Wild in franchise history. Yes, including Kaprizov. Apparently Quinn is rated 7th overall and Kaprizov 10th. He will make this team much better and improve every aspect, but is it enough? The offense was weakened with this trade, especially the injury prone depth. My point was, more is needed and they don't have the capital to do much. Like I said in another post, this feels more like a feel good and butts in seats move. We'll see. I bet they do make it to the second round this season, finally, but how much further??

[Lern2spell]

The Wild simply need top 6 scoring help, regardless of position. If it happens to be a center, all the better. If he isn't part of a package to obtain said player, Charlie Stramel may be the Wilds playoff addition. He seems to be very close to NHL ready, and better than average in the faceoff dot. Barring further injuries, the Wild wont need much tweaking if it gets top 6 scoring help.

[Pewterschmidt]

26 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

Our top 6 includes: 97, Zuc, Boldy and Ek.  If the plan is to fill out the top six with some combo of: cardiojo, senko, hinny, the 🐀, rookie center, and that top six will make a cup run I’d say you’re smoking the drapes.  I have to believe Guerin understands this and will package some combo of: mids, Gus, Wally, jobro, and spurge + 2028 1st thru 4th rounds.  It all or nothing time for Guerin and Window 97™️

Edited 12 hours ago by Pewterschmidt

[B1GKappa97]

28 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Thank you for making my point, there is nothing left. This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

If Zeev wasn't ready, how is Yurov? Zeev is, and will be, three times the player Yurov will ever be.

It isn't that Zeev wasn't ready. Its that he's not as ready as Quinn Hughes, who is obviously a better player right now and likely to be next season also.

Also, this isn't Billy's "whole load." Just his biggest. He can make more moves to improve the roster still and is very likely to do so. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

25 minutes ago, Lern2spell said:

Charlie Stramel may be the Wilds playoff addition. He seems to be very close to NHL ready, and better than average in the faceoff dot. Barring further injuries, the Wild wont need much tweaking if it gets top 6 scoring help.

Charlie Stramel might be a 4th line player in 27-28. He is not NHL ready, and certainly not on scoring lines. He may top out as a 3rd line player in his prime.

[Scalptrash]

6 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

It isn't that Zeev wasn't ready. Its that he's not as ready as Quinn Hughes, who is obviously a better player right now and likely to be next season also.

Also, this isn't Billy's "whole load." Just his biggest. He can make more moves to improve the roster still and is very likely to do so. 

Point missed, it was about Yurov, not Zeev.

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our 1C is Yurov.

 

[TCMooch]

Wow are people really underselling Quinn's impact on offense when he is on the ice. It's like having another forward on the team.

Quinn is more than likely going to put up 70+ points in a season. I swear this fanbase is insane sometimes. AT THE ABSOLUTE 1 IN A MILLION CHANCE THE BEST ZEEV BUIUM COULD BE IS QUINN HUGHES! We currently have the real deal. Why the hell are people putting Buium on this huge pedestal with nothing but "well he could be anything...he could even be quinn hughes!!!!" ?

I love the kid and you would be hard pressed to find a bigger Rossi fan than me but jesus people--get some perspective. If you want a FRANCHISE PLAYER guess what? You need to give up your best young players to get it.

People saying we need to get a 1C but who is out there to get? Who are you going to get? You think throwing spare parts will get you that 1C? I guarantee if there is a true 1C out there you're going to be giving up a lot of the following: Wallstedt, Benek, Heidt, Yurov and more. You aren't going to get a 1C throwing Spurgeon, Tarasenko, and other spare parts out like all you dreamers think can happen.

[TCMooch]

Also, I want Keifer Sherwood from the Canucks. Not sure what it will take--maybe Jiricek (please can we move on from this mess--he sucks so bad) or Stramel along with a rostered player but I think he would be a great addition to the team on a manageable salary even though he could walk at end of the year.

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

Thank you for making my point, there is nothing left. This was Billy's whole load and while impressive, not enough to make the Wild a legitimate contender.

If Zeev wasn't ready, how is Yurov? Zeev is, and will be, three times the player Yurov will ever be.

Don't get me wrong, Quinn might be the best player to ever play for the Wild in franchise history. Yes, including Kaprizov. Apparently Quinn is rated 7th overall and Kaprizov 10th. He will make this team much better and improve every aspect, but is it enough? The offense was weakened with this trade, especially the injury prone depth. My point was, more is needed and they don't have the capital to do much. Like I said in another post, this feels more like a feel good and butts in seats move. We'll see. I bet they do make it to the second round this season, finally, but how much further??

Re contender - 

Before adding one of the best Defenseman in the league - Wild were top 4 in the west. With top goal tending and stellar but not tremendously productive D. Our PP stagnated. To remedy these deficiencies the team went out and added a superstar. We are now a top 3 team and likely to overtake stars in points shortly. I think we are a legitimate contender.

Re Zeev v Yurov comp -

Zeev is an offensive defenseman - who needs time to built up his game (both offensive and defensive is still needs work - and he can work on that with lesser stakes). He may be elite or maybe good, but it’s silly comparing him to Yurov - a responsible C/F - who is growing and bettering his game every single day. Not to mention slowly showing his offensive prowess (he is not cheating but taking his time) - that’s more important to a team that are in a win now mode

Re Kap vs QH

while I disagree, I think having 2 top 10 players and likely 3 in the top 15/20 makes us legit.  

Re this year -

It’s going to be a brutal playoffs but we are not going to have an underdog mentality

I think they get past Dallas

Avs will be a blood bath (but maybe 🦈 team comes in as last WC team and does what many underdogs do - best Goliath for us!) 😎

Edited 11 hours ago by OldDutchChip

[MrCheatachu]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

The offense was weakened with this trade, especially the injury prone depth. My point was, more is needed and they don't have the capital to do much.

I'm really conflicted on this trade.  I resolve it in my mind that while Zeev might end up being a Quinn Hughes type player in the future, that Quinn Hughes is currently a Quinn Hughes type player.

And while there have been plenty of games where Rossi looked like the only player on the ice who gave a damn, there was also the playoffs last year where I think the 4th line demotion gave the team the best opportunity to win with how Hartzy looked up on the 2nd.  And for a $5M contract, Rossi is a damn steal.

However, I don't see a significant impact of Yurov-Ekker-Hartzy-Sturm vs. Rossi-Ekker-Yurov-Sturm.  

And Ohgren?  I don't see him currently being a difference maker on this roster offensively that we can't backfill with a guy from Iowa or a TDL acquisition.  I put him in the same camp as Knut.  Young guys who belong on the league, who can put up a highlight now and then, but their underlying stats aren't going to carry a team (knut, 4g, 4a in 28 games this season with Pasta & Geekie as linemates)

And finally, what's easier to get a 'big fish free agent' to look to come here?  You get to play with Kaprizov, Hughes, Boldy & Faber or you get to play with Kaprizov, Boldy, Rossi & Faber?