Article: Can A Healthy Wild Team Get More Out Of Vladimir Tarasenko?

[Luke Sims]

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[OldDutchChip]

what's next....i think we should waive him. hope that someone takes yet another chance on him. worst case, Leo pays for him in Iowa (if Vlady decides to stick around and not return to sunny Florida) and we free up 5MM. But also send Jiri with him so that neither is too lonely. Either to Iowa or Florida. 

[Pewterschmidt]

How many fucking PAT’s is Guerin going to KLANK of the upright before Leo has had enough?

[Dean]

On Judds pod cast Jesse was saying she knows Billy is out kicking tires on a couple players.  Not the superstars she hoped for but something to shake up team.  Then I read something about  Kyrou.  What stupid crap is Billy and his clueless pro scouts up to.  Especially after getting fleeced on jiricek and wasting cap money and roster space for vlad. Hes worthless in the top six and even more worthless in the bottom six. Our pro scouts should be fired. I get making a mistake once in awhile because you’re making educated swings at improving your team. However we’re not making educated decisions, rather ego driven ones. Vlad needs to go but he won’t due to Billy’s ego. 
   Thinking about what the heck the wild could do to salvage this wasted extortionist  upcoming decade  is to get a # 1 center quickly. To get the most out of kk before he goes the vlad direction. We don’t  have the value in players or prospects to trade for one. So we need one internally. Rossi is what he is a doesn’t have much ceiling left. He’ll get a little better but not #1c better. 
   I think Yurov is the best hope for that #1 and it should start now! You can see he has a lot more upside. You drafted him in 1st round so he better have some offensive touch. He’s already shown he’s a sponge. Growing game by game. Not year by year or never growing like Rossi and lambos.  He’s got the body length and should fill out with man strength. He can skate, has hockey I Q and shows more tenacity than pro Rossi. The kid just seems to want to get better and does. So kk should put his big boy pants on and mentor the kid by having him center top line. Quit playing games with zuc. And develop the kid into the center kk needs. Rossi is not the future center for kk. Yurov might and has more tools than Rossi. It’s time to make him 1 and force kk and zucc to mentor like Crosby. Tyler T, Jamie Ben, etc do. Give the kid a good runway to become #1. It’s better than pissing  away more assets on crap the pro scouts come up with. If it doesn’t work oh well you tried and get a good draft pick. If it does your set for a decade.  

[Citizen Strife]

It just seems that Tarasenko has one thing he is good at, on a team that needs players to do most of their own work most of the time.  Lesson learned; just make sure he isn't re-signed.

[Pewterschmidt]

17 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Lesson learned; just make sure he isn't re-signed.

Guerin: “say no more…”

gives Vlad a 3X$5M with full no move thru life of contract

Edited November 13 by Pewterschmidt

[Sam]

3 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

How many fucking PAT’s is Guerin going to KLANK of the upright before Leo has had enough?

It’s more of a double-doink.

[1Brotherbill]

5 million a year is actually 4.75 million but close enough.  Problem is he has a 8 team NTC which is fine.  I doubt anyone would want him unless they wanted the expiring contract and I doubt those teams are on the 8 team list.  

He is basically who NOJO was last year.  Someone who takes up a roster spot and is a black hole on the ice.  

The team has issues.  Top half of the lineup is decent enough to win a Cup.  Bottom half is decent enough to win the 1st overall pick.  One or two injuries on either half of the lineup will tip the scales.   I personally I hope it tips to the 1st overall pick side.  Others want to give it a good college try and get bounced in the playoffs....Again. 

 

[Burnt Toast]

2 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

The team has issues.

I guess that’s why the Owner and Management group said they have a Five Year Plan. The problem I have is that I have no idea what year we’re in. Is there time to develop players? I mean something must be going wrong with the plan for the team to look this bad the first year out of the buyouts. I don’t want to go full Doomerang but it appears we have the same problems every year buyouts or not. I will say getting Wally playing time is this year’s bright spot for me. Developing Yurov as Dean said makes a lot of sense as well. 

[Rohn]

I suppose Vlad has a one-way contract, so we can't send him down.  We can afford to eat his salary and sit him up in the booth.  Then bring in anyone from Iowa.  They may not score either, but they'll surely do it at higher velocity.  This is ice hockey, sure.  But it shouldn't be glacial.

[1Brotherbill]

35 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

I guess that’s why the Owner and Management group said they have a Five Year Plan. The problem I have is that I have no idea what year we’re in. Is there time to develop players? I mean something must be going wrong with the plan for the team to look this bad the first year out of the buyouts. I don’t want to go full Doomerang but it appears we have the same problems every year buyouts or not. I will say getting Wally playing time is this year’s bright spot for me. Developing Yurov as Dean said makes a lot of sense as well. 

The Organization wants to make the playoffs.  The fans want a Cup.  Organization thinks making the playoffs means they have a shot at the cup.  Fans know just making the playoffs means they have no shot at the cup.  Fans want the young players to be developed by getting experience at the NHL level. Organization knows playing younger players means they might not make the playoffs.

The round and round BS is getting old and it won't change unless something from the top down changes.

[Dis-allowed display name]

12 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

 

Top half of the lineup is decent enough to win a Cup. 

 

Where do you buy this weed that you smoke?

[Dis-allowed display name]

16 hours ago, Dean said:

   I think Yurov is the best hope for that #1 and it should start now! You can see he has a lot more upside. You drafted him in 1st round so he better have some offensive touch. He’s already shown he’s a sponge. Growing game by game. Not year by year or never growing like Rossi and lambos.  He’s got the body length and should fill out with man strength. He can skate, has hockey I Q and shows more tenacity than pro Rossi. The kid just seems to want to get better and does. So kk should put his big boy pants on and mentor the kid by having him center top line. 

So much this ^.

[Pewterschmidt]

10 hours ago, Rohn said:

This is ice hockey, sure.  But it shouldn't be glacial.

[MNCountryLife]

"Only Ryan Hartman has played more minutes than Tarasenko and had worse production."

I've kicked on Senko a lot...and he has earned it.  Strange how I am more forgiving of guys when they are in the bottom 6 like Ryan Hartman.  I have to stop that.  Especially for vets in the bottom 6.  Hartman, Foligno and Trenin are all stinking it up.   They need to do more than just produce good shifts.  Points on the board should be expected of these 3...  

 

Edited November 14 by MNCountryLife

[Scalptrash]

Did acquiring Tarastinko help or hurt Kaprizov? I think Tarastinko's lazy work ethic and blaise attitude are rubbing off on Kirill.

[MNCountryLife]

10 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

The round and round BS is getting old and it won't change unless something from the top down changes.

It isn't easy getting top 6 players in FA.  If you want to be competitive year in and year out you must do it through the draft.  Unfortunately BG appears to favor old reliable vets that have capped out and digressing in skill/speed.  Instead of playing the young guys and getting them up to speed quickly.

This is not a cup team.  To make it a cup team BG needs to define those vets that are still producing and cut ties with the ones that are falling off the age cliff.  Then you have to play the young guys....including the ones that may not be ready just yet.  If you don't think they will make it with the big club... well... young unproven players are all over the place and BG can trade for them a lot easier than he can a superstar.  Find one you like and get him.

[Pewterschmidt]

19 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

Hartman, Foligno and Trenin are all stinking it up.   They need to do more than just produce

in 6 playoff games

[Pewterschmidt]

9 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

blaise attitude

Senko is not the reason this group sucks, but agree he appears to not be very engaged which isn’t helping.  The game he was demoted to 3rd line he showed a little jump in his step but gone back to sleep Senko since then

[mnfaninnc]

11 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

The round and round BS is getting old and it won't change unless something from the top down changes.

Honestly, this does not sound like a Guerin problem, this sounds like a Leipold problem. Guerin has fulfilled almost everything Leo has asked him to, so, for those who want him gone this is devastating news. 

What needs to happen is Leo needs to change his perspective. Sometimes, you have to retreat and regroup before you make your run. With the marinating that has been done with the prospects, they should fair better than most rookies, however, they will still be rookies. 

I think 1 thing that would really help matters is to really have a roster of 21. We've got to keep Hunt up or we lose him back to CBJ. I would also look at resting 2 vets a night and have a merry-go-round with the last 2 roster spots, playing those guys when they are up. Bring up your Haights, Heidts, Lamboses, Spaceks and Ohgrens for 3-5 games. See what they've learned. Give them feedback on where they need to grow their game. 

This could easily be done if we were sending Jiricek back down. He could be part of that group. 

Now, would a team like this be making the playoffs? Maybe as a WC if other teams have injuries and cave in. But, who cares, you've retreated. 2/5 of the 5 year plan years are developmental anyway. The longer we punt these 2 years, the longer it will take to open our window. There seems to be a lack of commitment, and I think it comes from the tippy top, to do what is necessary. The 2 years of development is still considered a rebuild on the fly.

[Pewterschmidt]

2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Bring up your Haights, Heidts, Lamboses, Spaceks and Ohgrens for 3-5 games. See what they've learned.

Whole I agree with this approach I predict we won’t see this until the org throws in the towel on this season and given the nhl pts system this team could play .500 rest of season and still be “a few pts out of wildcard”.  So given hynzy’s desire to keep his job I predict the kids get their playing time over final 10-15 regular season games

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, MNCountryLife said:

I've kicked on Senko a lot...and he has earned it.  Strange how I am more forgiving of guys when they are in the bottom 6 like Ryan Hartman.  I have to stop that.  Especially for vets in the bottom 6.  Hartman, Foligno and Trenin are all stinking it up.   They need to do more than just produce good shifts.  Points on the board should be expected of these 3...  

 

On this, I think the biggest problem I have with Tarasenko is the amount of shots he has blocked. It's like defenders just line up in his shooting lane knowing he no longer possesses that quick move to open up a shot lane. Tarasenko has a really nice, quick release. He has fumbled with trying to find his trigger. Tarasenko is also a very streaky player. If he gets a couple, he could go el fuego. 

But, for guys like Trenin, Foligno, Hartman. Their shots are whistling wide, by a large margin. I am not around for practices, but, you'd think a decent coach would have shooting drills that guys who are missing the net must perform to get better. Hynes does not look like a guy who has this or does this. What is wrong with some target practice???

[mnfaninnc]

59 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Did acquiring Tarastinko help or hurt Kaprizov? I think Tarastinko's lazy work ethic and blaise attitude are rubbing off on Kirill.

I disagree. I think Kaprizov is hurt. Those chops to his left wrist have paid a price. I've seem them show video of him taking his glove off several times trying to get his wrist going. It has affected the accuracy of his shot and likely some power. Of course, everyone will say he's fine and ok. 

[mnfaninnc]

5 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I predict the kids get their playing time over final 10-15 regular season games

This will not be enough time to get them up to speed. They need a full season. Why can't anyone make this hard decision properly?

[Pewterschmidt]

2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I think Kaprizov is hurt.

And so it begins.  This team is performing the way it is because of injuries.  Ek must be hurt.  97 is hurt, I saw him wince that one time, spurge is a warrior playing hurt… Bob lob law …we need an investigation re why Wild are only nhl team who’s players play hurt