Article: The Wild Don't Have Many Options For A Roster Shakeup

[Pewterschmidt]

40 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

They aren’t dealing Rossi you goofball. Let it go. No matter how much you want it to happen, it’s not happening anytime soon. Who are we going to get? Nick Robertson for Rossi? Trade our 1st line center for a role player in Robertson who is a 5’9 winger  with a career high 27pts? Who are they trading Rossi for? I can’t wait to see the ridiculous suggestion from you. Tage Thompson? 😂😆

Your mom

[Pewterschmidt]

1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

Trenin has no protection according to puckpedia

And no market value.  I’ll ask again, who is responsible for scouting players before we sign them?  I’ll assume it’s Brackett and his team

[mnfaninnc]

I thought this article was about a shake up trade, not a blockbuster. Tony's point here is that Guerin would trade off a minor piece, like a bottom 6 or bottom 4 defenseman who's been here awhile to shake things up.

I don't think he was looking at turning it upside down. 

That said, Pasta would be a nice piece to get, but trading Zeev and Rossi sounds a bit expensive. I assume if you did that, Ek would be on the top line with Kaprizov and Pasta. Then you have a 2nd line of Boldy-Yurov-Tarasenko? Or wait, if Yurov is included, who is the 2nd line center? Hartman? If Sturm gets back he can cover the 4th line center, but who takes the 3rd line center job? The suggested trade for Pasta sounds a lot like trading for Herschel Walker to me. 

But, maybe something else would work for obtaining him? Boston is rebuilding, so they need to refill their cupboards. Could Pasta be available for picks and prospects? Well, we'd also need to dump salary too, and I suppose that is what Rossi helps with. 

In the grand scheme of things, I think Hartman, Spurgeon, Brodin are the guys we would look at trading for the shake up. Probably in that order. Hartman would be in bold, but Spurgeon might be the better shake up because of his letter. Now, we're talking about affect here, not necessarily the smartest move.

[mnfaninnc]

9 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I’ll assume it’s Brackett and his team

I think he is just in charge of scouting the amateur ranks. 

[0 Stanley Cups]

6 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

And no market value.  I’ll ask again, who is responsible for scouting players before we sign them?  I’ll assume it’s Brackett and his team

Trenin was Hynes' guy from Nashville, just like Freddie G was Deano's from Milwaukee

[mnfaninnc]

12 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

 I’ll ask again, who is responsible for scouting players before we sign them?

It looks like one of these guys according to google AI

• David MacLean
• Mark Mowers
• Richard Park 

If you're asking who are they? I'm right with you

[Pewterschmidt]

7 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I think he is just in charge of scouting the amateur ranks. 

There’s a separate scouting team for current nhl’rs?  Or is Guerin making these decisions based on his gut?

[Enforceror]

I don't think we'll see any trades until Sturm and Zucc are back in the lineup and have some games under their belt. 

 

[Enforceror]

One prospect I don't think anyone has really talked about is Oskar Olausson. We picked him up this year and he's currently at a PPG (small sample size) for Iowa and is one of the only positive +/- players on the team currently.

'21 draft year, 1st round #28 overall. As MNFan has talked about, stockpiling upper tier prospects from around the same draft year/s could be the ticket. He's a year after Rossi and a year before Ohgren/Yurov/Haight. 

Maybe there are some guys out there who haven't quite found their footing that are similarly aged we could be looking at. This is where Brackett needs to be putting some miles in. I'm fine with some high risk high reward trades. This could also open up cap space for the trade deadline to bring in a difference maker. Let the kids play around the core of un-tradeables.

[MNCountryLife]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

you can see how far that model took EDM. that is a very good outcome. and oilers do it with offensive power concentrated in the very top. there is less pressure on D when you can dominate the play. it also lessens the toll on aging Brodin and Spurgy. And places Faber in the lead.

Edmonton is a tough comparison for the Wild.  McDavid and Draisaitl are both ranked top 3.  Kirill and Pastrnak are both around 10.  Still fantastic... but the difference is noticeable and definitely impactful in the playoffs.

Let's not forget that we have to get past Edmonton.

[OldDutchChip]

56 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I thought this article was about a shake up trade, not a blockbuster. Tony's point here is that Guerin would trade off a minor piece, like a bottom 6 or bottom 4 defenseman who's been here awhile to shake things up.

I don't think he was looking at turning it upside down. 

That said, Pasta would be a nice piece to get, but trading Zeev and Rossi sounds a bit expensive. I assume if you did that, Ek would be on the top line with Kaprizov and Pasta. Then you have a 2nd line of Boldy-Yurov-Tarasenko? Or wait, if Yurov is included, who is the 2nd line center? Hartman? If Sturm gets back he can cover the 4th line center, but who takes the 3rd line center job? The suggested trade for Pasta sounds a lot like trading for Herschel Walker to me. 

But, maybe something else would work for obtaining him? Boston is rebuilding, so they need to refill their cupboards. Could Pasta be available for picks and prospects? Well, we'd also need to dump salary too, and I suppose that is what Rossi helps with. 

In the grand scheme of things, I think Hartman, Spurgeon, Brodin are the guys we would look at trading for the shake up. Probably in that order. Hartman would be in bold, but Spurgeon might be the better shake up because of his letter. Now, we're talking about affect here, not necessarily the smartest move.

you'd move Zeev, Rossi and Ohgren out (keep Yurov) and a first. the below will get you in the contender status. and closer to TDL you can look to upgrade bottom six. then MJ and Vlady fall off next year and you could dump either Foligno or Trenin and sign Panarin. Crazy - but all of our ideas are - until they are not 🍺

That gives you - (that second line will be impossible to defend and allows Kap to go against an inferior opposing line)

Kap Zuccy Hartman

Ek Boldy Pasta

Yurov/MJ Vlady Foligno

Trenin Sturm Henny

On D -

Faber Brodin

Spurge Midds

Hunt, Bogo (Jiri)

 

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

Edmonton is a tough comparison for the Wild.  McDavid and Draisaitl are both ranked top 3.  Kirill and Pastrnak are both around 10.  Still fantastic... but the difference is noticeable and definitely impactful in the playoffs.

Let's not forget that we have to get past Edmonton.

i have been very high on Kap as the best player in the world, but ok i'll concede for this argument, that neither Kap nor Pasta are in the top 3 (concede but won't agree 😉). But we have a wild card that EDM does not. we have Boldy. should he have the luxury of playing with two studs like pasta and kap - he will outperform Nug or Kane or whatever EDM third best Offensive player is. that's the vision - to unleash Boldy. get 3 tier one players. no one has more than two. and we'd likely have three. if i'm Bill - this is a very tempting proposal. Bill may not have a long leash to wait out yet another prospect development. he wants results, leo wants results, kap wants it too. so at some point, you have to go all in. can't have it both ways

[MNCountryLife]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

it's been 10 years since Wild won a playoff series and yet the diehards remain faithful that success is just around the corner. not now, but in a few years. another five year plan as we await on zeev to turn into makar and yurov to be a superstar? all while wasting Kaprizov? yup - not weird - Wild!

I remain faithful because it is enjoyable to watch hockey and cheer for a team.  It's my hope state.  I want them to be successful.  The Hershel Walker trade didn't work out too well.... well... it did for Dallas.  They used the extra picks in the draft to win several SBs.   The Panthers were already playing well into the playoffs when they added Tkachuk.  

Add Pastrnak to the Dallas lineup and it probably makes them good enough to consistently get past Edmonton.  We are not Dallas.  I'm not against adding Pastrnak.. we just have to ensure that a team exists around him.... it is a team sport.

[MNCountryLife]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

i have been very high on Kap as the best player in the world, but ok i'll concede for this argument, that neither Kap nor Pasta are in the top 3 (concede but won't agree 😉). But we have a wild card that EDM does not. we have Boldy. should he have the luxury of playing with two studs like pasta and kap - he will outperform Nug or Kane or whatever EDM third best Offensive player is. that's the vision - to unleash Boldy. get 3 tier one players. no one has more than two. and we'd likely have three. if i'm Bill - this is a very tempting proposal. Bill may not have a long leash to wait out yet another prospect development. he wants results, leo wants results, kap wants it too. so at some point, you have to go all in. can't have it both ways

I'm no export and have never built an NHL roster.  But it sure is fun to speculate.  Maybe you are right.  Maybe not.  It's certainly a big move.  It's going to either put us in contention or keep us out of it for the next 10 years.  

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, MNCountryLife said:

I remain faithful because it is enjoyable to watch hockey and cheer for a team.  It's my hope state.  I want them to be successful.  The Hershel Walker trade didn't work out too well.... well... it did for Dallas.  They used the extra picks in the draft to win several SBs.   The Panthers were already playing well into the playoffs when they added Tkachuk.  

Add Pastrnak to the Dallas lineup and it probably makes them good enough to consistently get past Edmonton.  We are not Dallas.  I'm not against adding Pastrnak.. we just have to ensure that a team exists around him.... it is a team sport.

i remain faithful too and watch and cheer just as you do. but at some point you want results. 10 years of playoff failure (actually 25 but i know we all like to celebrate that magical run 22 years ago) is enough for fans to demand more 🙂

 

[MNCountryLife]

14 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

Trade with Calgary for Kadri and their 1st pick.  Open up the prospect pool and get rid of two or three of the players that are never going to play in St. Paul.  Trade Brodin or Spurgeon or whoever wants to go plus Hiedt or Haight or Ohgren or one of the other prospects that are not all that great.

I thought you were nuts when I first read this.... but the more I read it the more it seems like a good deal.  You gain a guy that could help the roster today.. and a #1 pick that is almost guaranteed to be an impact player on your roster.

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

I'm no export and have never built an NHL roster.  But it sure is fun to speculate.  Maybe you are right.  Maybe not.  It's certainly a big move.  It's going to either put us in contention or keep us out of it for the next 10 years.  

totally agree. it could work out as good as it did for Nashville 😜 

 

[MNCountryLife]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

i remain faithful too and watch and cheer just as you do. but at some point you want results. 10 years of playoff failure (actually 25 but i know we all like to celebrate that magical run 22 years ago) is enough for fans to demand more

It would be nice to see MN finally win something.  Our last pro title for anything was MLB in 1991.  Ugh.... that is a long time.

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

It would be nice to see MN finally win something.  Our last pro title for anything was MLB in 1991.  Ugh.... that is a long time.

🍻

[Scalptrash]

Ohgren is the most likely to be traded. He might flourish on a young team (where he might actually get a chance) like the Mammoth, Ducks, or Blackhawks.

[Enforceror]

32 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

you'd move Zeev, Rossi and Ohgren out (keep Yurov) and a first. the below will get you in the contender status. and closer to TDL you can look to upgrade bottom six. then MJ and Vlady fall off next year and you could dump either Foligno or Trenin and sign Panarin. Crazy - but all of our ideas are - until they are not 🍺

That gives you - (that second line will be impossible to defend and allows Kap to go against an inferior opposing line)

Kap Zuccy Hartman

Ek Boldy Pasta

Yurov/MJ Vlady Foligno

Trenin Sturm Henny

On D -

Faber Brodin

Spurge Midds

Hunt, Bogo (Jiri)

 

I think I could get behind this.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

4 hours ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

Maybe we can trade for Boston's first line center, Khusy!  Game tying goal and shootout winner.

He's definitely not the first line center, but he's had a nice run the last few games with Elias Lindholm out due to injury.

Khusnutdinov was averaging under 12 minutes per game, with just 2 faceoff attempts and 1 assist in 7 games, prior to Lindholm missing time.

I'd certainly take him over Pitlick!

[Burnt Toast]

6 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

it's been 10 years since Wild won a playoff series

I’ve been a wait and see guy for almost a decade. It’s becoming hard to believe that the aging older core is going to hang in there long enough for any significant playoff push. The Wild need to either go all in or sell and build around the younger emerging core. This season’s start should be enough of wake up call for management to make a careful assessment of the plan they’ve concocted. Keeping KK was a win now move, unless they get extremely aggressive that’s not looking good. 

[OldDutchChip]

50 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

I’ve been a wait and see guy for almost a decade. It’s becoming hard to believe that the aging older core is going to hang in there long enough for any significant playoff push. The Wild need to either go all in or sell and build around the younger emerging core. This season’s start should be enough of wake up call for management to make a careful assessment of the plan they’ve concocted. Keeping KK was a win now move, unless they get extremely aggressive that’s not looking good. 

agree. and let's add to this that both kap and boldy have their peak value. kap is linked to age and him being prime kap for the next four years before the drop off. while boldy is contract related - his cheap contract is done in same span of four years (meaning he can walk or be fairly expensive to retain - he won't come cheap again). Ek is also i think 3-4 years from needing another contract, and he may be a fast aging player too given the style of play. so who knows how all of that plays out.

i think it's time to strike. To me, Zeev is on a timeline different from Kap's and Boldy's. if we push in our chips with Zeev, well then move Kap and Boldy and rebuild. Otherwise, Zeev is still a shiny "best" D prospect out there, everyone screaming that he is....so use that fame and hype. bring someone to help kap and boldy now. yes you'd potentially be letting makar 2.0 go, but you give the team and all of us a chance for SC. 🍻

how likely is this to happen though? NOT A CHANCE 😜

[FredJohnson]

12 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

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