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Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 He’s the order of most likely dealt imo: 1) Rossi 2) Hartman 3) brodin 4) Ek i think dealing brodin would be the most savvy. He’s got alot of miles and is showing wear and tear, and a contender would pay alot for this shut down D. I’d be sad to see Hartman go because he’s the player with most dawg in him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Brodin and Spurgeon have the most value for us to trade out. I would think Spurgeon would get us a good 21 or 22 year old prospect with high projections. Brodin should have an even better return. Personally I would move Nojo. He has been playing well, has an unbelievably cap friendly contract and you could probably get the same prospect as you got for Spurgeon. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 37 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said: I’d be sad to see Hartman go because he’s the player with most dawg in him. It is tough not to like Hartman. You like the Dawg in him. I like that the guy seems to see the ice different than everyone else and he has skill. That being said he isn't bringing either to the ice very efficiently anymore or often. He is 8th in points on the Wild and a -4 and a target for the refs. Hartman has 3rd line numbers. With another year on the contract that is relatively friendly he could possibly draw in a pretty good return. Ever since that fight he had where he hurt is shoulder he hasn't been the same. He shows flashes of his former self... but his time appears limited. Give him a chance at a cup with a good team and see what value you can get in return. Note: I don't want to just give him away. A good return would be needed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 13 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said: Brodin and Spurgeon have the most value for us to trade out. I'll contradict my own comment. Ek has the most value of any player we have. That being said... I kind of consider him to be off the table. Brodin and Spurgeon would be the best "On The Table" options. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Smart move would be to parlay top D prospect Zeev (future potential ) for top 5 player Pasta(proven result) - that aligns us for peak years for Boldy Ek Kap and Pasta, you’d likely loose Rossi, Ohgren or Yurov and Zeev and a pick - but you can go for it all in the next 5-7 years - I don’t think it’s too bad of an outcome for either team (fair blockbuster) I bet there’ll be takers to join Wild on the cheap too next year (Panarin perhaps) reality - Bill will ship Rossi for Buravskiy or some other crap 2 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Trade with Calgary for Kadri and their 1st pick. Open up the prospect pool and get rid of two or three of the players that are never going to play in St. Paul. Trade Brodin or Spurgeon or whoever wants to go plus Hiedt or Haight or Ohgren or one of the other prospects that are not all that great. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: Smart move would be to parlay top D prospect Zeev (future potential ) for top 5 player Pasta(proven result) - that aligns us for peak years for Boldy Ek Kap and Pasta, you’d likely loose Rossi, Ohgren or Yurov and Zeev and a pick - but you can go for it all in the next 5-7 years I really hope you are joking... right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 25 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said: I really hope you are joking... right? Why? is it not in our interest to push all in with two all world players like Kap and Pasta? Add to that Boldy and Ek - where is the downside? or do you prefer to keep building for something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 21 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said: is it not in our interest to push all in with two all world players like Kap and Pasta? Add to that Boldy and Ek - where is the downside Yurov, Rossi, Zeev, Ohgren and picks for 1 player.... 2 guys do not make a roster. Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar. We wouldn't have a team 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 A win against Carolina would be surprising, but it would be really nice to see them get to 6-6-3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 45 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said: Yurov, Rossi, Zeev, Ohgren and picks for 1 player.... 2 guys do not make a roster. Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar. We wouldn't have a team i did say Yurov or Ohgren, but regardless - they are both not playing right now because they are NOT ready. as for picks - they are unknown and take time to develop....meaning they would not yield return for years. so kap's years would be served as a sherpa to the next line of wild "elite"? look, we are talking about zeev and rossi for pasta. that's a steal! are you really going to be against that? or against the lineup with pastrnak kaprizov boldy ek? who will stop it? you get 2 top 5 players in the league. boldy will have much easier time and will likely blossom into a top 10-15 player. but you want to punt that to wait for yurov? and zeev? Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar. - that is a typical wild delusional thinking. yurov i still learning the game, he needs seasoning and he'll max out as maybe a top 6 player. to say he will be fantastic is a bit much (tamper that expectation). and saying zeev = makar? well i guess if you think that - then all is well in wild universe. bottom line - you need to know when to strike. vegas knew and knows it still. so does florida. yet we choose the patient route. to say that rossi and zeev is too much for pastrnak is something only a wild fan would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezig Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 NoJo's value has never been higher than it is right now. Six game scoring streak for him is the equivalent Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak. Otherwise, the only move this club needs to make is bring up the "highly touted" prospects and get them some ice time. They will be needed at one point or another during the season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Stanley Cups Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Spurgeon, Brodin, Tarasenko, JoJo, Foligno and unfortunately Hartman, but he's just so versatile in our lineup. It ALL depends what's coming back the other way, but if we're upgrading center or looking a another potential superstar, Rossi and Ek are on the table, or even Buium, Faber, potentially Boldy or at some point flipping one of our goalies in the future. I don't see anything happening before Xmas, the standings are still too close for all teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Stanley Cups Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Maybe we can trade for Boston's first line center, Khusy! Game tying goal and shootout winner. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 18 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said: Maybe we can trade for Boston's first line center, Khusy! Game tying goal and shootout winner. Wild fans are in the worst timeline right now. Is the Russian Khuz going to be the reason bill gets replaced? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 What is really frustrating is that SillyG gave trade protection to Trenin and Foligno while WAY overpaying them. It was completely unnecessary. Their bloated contracts are all the trade protection they will ever need! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 9 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: i did say Yurov or Ohgren, but regardless - they are both not playing right now because they are NOT ready. as for picks - they are unknown and take time to develop....meaning they would not yield return for years. so kap's years would be served as a sherpa to the next line of wild "elite"? look, we are talking about zeev and rossi for pasta. that's a steal! are you really going to be against that? or against the lineup with pastrnak kaprizov boldy ek? who will stop it? you get 2 top 5 players in the league. boldy will have much easier time and will likely blossom into a top 10-15 player. but you want to punt that to wait for yurov? and zeev? Yurov is going to be a fantastic player and Zeev already is with potential of being compared to Makar. - that is a typical wild delusional thinking. yurov i still learning the game, he needs seasoning and he'll max out as maybe a top 6 player. to say he will be fantastic is a bit much (tamper that expectation). and saying zeev = makar? well i guess if you think that - then all is well in wild universe. bottom line - you need to know when to strike. vegas knew and knows it still. so does florida. yet we choose the patient route. to say that rossi and zeev is too much for pastrnak is something only a wild fan would say. That trade by itself will not make us a contender. We are 3 to 4 players away from being a contender. McKinnon and Makar are easily as good as Pastrnak and Kirill.... and they have really good roster around them. The Wild have a very good d core forming. You don't win without a solid D-core. If you want to ship some of them out you need a replacement. Hunt isn't it. If BG wants to be serious about contending you have to subtract the weak spots and make them strong. To do that you need to define the weak spots. In our top 6 I think it is obvious that Nojo and Senko need to go. Zuc is an improvement but I'm not sure he moves the needle enough for 1 of them and we need 2. In the bottom 6 we need to push out Pitlick and Jones. Sturm replaces Jones so that leaves Pitlick. Just one player.. but yes.. it matters. BG is committed to building through the draft....then do it already. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNCountryLife Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 9 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: that is a typical wild delusional thinking Some of the best teams in the league today are where they are because of that delusional thinking of building through the draft. McKinnon, Makar, McDavid, Crosby... and the list goes on and on of players that were inserted into the lineup at one point or another and given a chance to learn. That Delusional thinking has won the cup. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo3xm Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 16 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said: He’s the order of most likely dealt imo: 1) Rossi 2) Hartman 3) brodin 4) Ek i think dealing brodin would be the most savvy. He’s got alot of miles and is showing wear and tear, and a contender would pay alot for this shut down D. I’d be sad to see Hartman go because he’s the player with most dawg in him. They aren’t dealing Rossi you goofball. Let it go. No matter how much you want it to happen, it’s not happening anytime soon. Who are we going to get? Nick Robertson for Rossi? Trade our 1st line center for a role player in Robertson who is a 5’9 winger with a career high 27pts? Who are they trading Rossi for? I can’t wait to see the ridiculous suggestion from you. Tage Thompson? 😂😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 27 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said: BG is committed to building through the draft....then do it already. Time is now for our 21 yr old first rounders, and they are currently: 1) still in Iowa 2) healthy scratched on a roster full of career journeyman wasn’t it Pronman who said this prospect pool was top’s in the league a couple years ago. Officially ignoring that click baiter going forward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 25 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said: That trade by itself will not make us a contender. We are 3 to 4 players away from being a contender. McKinnon and Makar are easily as good as Pastrnak and Kirill.... and they have really good roster around them. The Wild have a very good d core forming. You don't win without a solid D-core. If you want to ship some of them out you need a replacement. Hunt isn't it. If BG wants to be serious about contending you have to subtract the weak spots and make them strong. To do that you need to define the weak spots. In our top 6 I think it is obvious that Nojo and Senko need to go. Zuc is an improvement but I'm not sure he moves the needle enough for 1 of them and we need 2. In the bottom 6 we need to push out Pitlick and Jones. Sturm replaces Jones so that leaves Pitlick. Just one player.. but yes.. it matters. BG is committed to building through the draft....then do it already. core of kaprizov, pastrnak, boldy and ek is not enough? hmm even if our bottom 6 is flawed, it is still a core that would push us into contention you can see how far that model took EDM. that is a very good outcome. and oilers do it with offensive power concentrated in the very top. there is less pressure on D when you can dominate the play. it also lessens the toll on aging Brodin and Spurgy. And places Faber in the lead. once Sturm and Zuccy is back, we push out the Pitlicks and Jones and build out bottom 6. heck you could make another trade at the deadline too. but with this option you have a route forward and a chance to maximize on your top players' peak. the other option is just to waste the prime of your best player as you wait on jiricek, yurov and zeev. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 30 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said: Some of the best teams in the league today are where they are because of that delusional thinking of building through the draft. McKinnon, Makar, McDavid, Crosby... and the list goes on and on of players that were inserted into the lineup at one point or another and given a chance to learn. That Delusional thinking has won the cup. it's been 10 years since Wild won a playoff series and yet the diehards remain faithful that success is just around the corner. not now, but in a few years. another five year plan as we await on zeev to turn into makar and yurov to be a superstar? all while wasting Kaprizov? yup - not weird - Wild! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy the poor boy Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 28 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said: They aren’t dealing Rossi you goofball. Let it go. No matter how much you want it to happen, it’s not happening anytime soon. Who are we going to get? Nick Robertson for Rossi? Trade our 1st line center for a role player in Robertson who is a 5’9 winger with a career high 27pts? Who are they trading Rossi for? I can’t wait to see the ridiculous suggestion from you. Tage Thompson? 😂😆 No, not just Tage. Tage and Tuch, but we'll probably have to, begrudgingly, throw in MoJo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnfaninnc Verified Member Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, Patrick said: SillyG gave trade protection to Trenin Trenin has no protection according to puckpedia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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