Article: Can the Wild Afford To Lose A Race For Peter DeBoer?

[Tony Abbott]

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[FredJohnson]

We can also note that he's looking good on his biggest point of contention with the fans and media -- keeping the currently red-hot Marcus Johansson in an elevated role.

Wtf??

[Up North Guy]

The carnage would be historic. I can't stand the guy, but if he got my team winning in the playoffs I could push the bile back down.

[Pewterschmidt]

4 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

We can also note that he's looking good on his biggest point of contention with the fans and media -- keeping the currently red-hot Marcus Johansson in an elevated role.

Wtf??

I got myself to a point where I was sick of being sick of NoJo.  I felt neutral re NoJo.  I can feel the hate rising again…maybe I’ve gone full circle and it’s starting over again.  
We have confirmation that a one year contract is the only contract for NoJo. He’s useful only when playing for his next contract

[Quebec1648]

If the Wild keep struggling, what will the response be from the owner? How secure is Guerins job? I imagine Hynes only has job security until the owner directs the front office to make changes. The owner loves his playoff ticket revenue, so I would expect a change if they fail to make the playoffs.

[Sam]

No to Jim Montgomery because that would be Deja vu, but a coach like Peter DeBoer might work well.. plus he has hair.

[Patrick]

The best time to fire Hynes was the day after they hired him. The 2nd best time is right now. He is the very definition of mediocre. 

Unfortunately it won't happen. BG makes moves to protect his job and nothing more.  He will keep Hynes around through this year and fire him in the office season in order to buy a couple more years with a new coach. 

Really we should be firing the coach and GM. They should have both been fired at the end of this past season with the pathetic roster management during the playoffs.

[1Brotherbill]

I would talk to Rick Bowness and see if he would come out of retirement.  

[greg]

No way on DeBore.  He creates way too much dissention.   I don't like Hynes at all but no to DeBoer.  We've had Boudreau, Eason, and now Hynes coaching essentially the same Wild team over the past few years.  It's time to start giving some serious thought to dumping some players.

[Burnt Toast]

The real question is what makes Pete D such a winning and successful coach? Maybe the Wild brain trust can figure that out. If the reasons can fit well with the Wild’s needs behind the bench then pull the trigger. Keep Hynes as an assistant. Isn’t that exactly how he played Rossi in last year’s playoffs? Hartman was better so he got elevated. It’s not personal it’s winning hockey. It’s time for aggressive moves. My personal opinion? Well it would be extremely entertaining. But hey I’m just a fan. 

[Fezig]

Two things.

NoJo has a history of reeling us in only to beat us on the head like an unwanted bullhead.

JEE needs a vision check, stick check, something check. He couldn't hit the net if he was standing in it. It's almost like he plays for the NBA and checks the betting lines.

 

[FredJohnson]

14 hours ago, Quebec1648 said:

If the Wild keep struggling, what will the response be from the owner? How secure is Guerins job? I imagine Hynes only has job security until the owner directs the front office to make changes. The owner loves his playoff ticket revenue, so I would expect a change if they fail to make the playoffs.

It might be sooner than that if the team continues to play this poorly. Deano got the ax in order to kickstart the team after a slow start to that season.

[Pewterschmidt]

8 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

It might be sooner than that if the team continues to play this poorly. Deano got the ax in order to kickstart the team after a slow start to that season.

Yes this did happen, but how many times can bill go to this well.  I think Hynzy get's this full season but something definitely has to happen to right this ship so I'll predict one (or more) of the apathetic journeyman core get's dealt away and prepare to get underwhelmed by the return bill gets.  bill needs to send a wake up call to this lineup of unmotivated, tired journeyman with no move clauses.  It wasn't that long ago that bill felt it necessary to trade away Eric Staal to Buffalo for.......wait for it........you guessed it, Nojo.  This was because the thin skinned tough guy wanted to shake up a roster that was too complacent.  I would say that's right where this current group is, so nice leadership you dip shit.

Manage your expectations Wild faithful.

[MNCountryLife]

We fans don't know what is going on behind the scenes.  But it sure seems like something bad is happening.  I haven't seen this many high danger chances against us since Dean was coach just before he got fired.  We are not keeping opposing teams shots to the outside at all.  

We are seeing poor play up and down the roster.  It isn't just one player.  It isn't just mistakes by the young guys either.  Everyone is playing bad.  Hynes needs to figure it out or expect to get fired.  BG may want to consider himself as being on the hotseat as well.  This team has too much talent to be playing like this.

[Pewterschmidt]

3 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

This team has too much talent to be playing like this.

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

[Imyourhuckleberry]

37 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

I haven't seen this many high danger chances against us since Dean was coach just before he got fired.  We are not keeping opposing teams shots to the outside at all.  

To be fair, 2 of the goals against in the last one were bumper hockey where they banked it off of their player's leg in front of the goal rather than sending it in off a stick. Wallstedt could have done better on a number of others, but those are both lucky and incredibly tough to defend.

The Wild will need one of their best games of the season tonight, but if they can manage a win over the Jets, things might feel a bit less dire.

[Sam]

5 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

The Wild will need one of their best games of the season tonight, but if they can manage a win over the Jets, things might feel a bit less like diarrhea.

 

[Scalptrash]

20 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

We fans don't know what is going on behind the scenes.  But it sure seems like something bad is happening.  I haven't seen this many high danger chances against us since Dean was coach just before he got fired.  We are not keeping opposing teams shots to the outside at all.  

We are seeing poor play up and down the roster.  It isn't just one player.  It isn't just mistakes by the young guys either.  Everyone is playing bad.  Hynes needs to figure it out or expect to get fired.  BG may want to consider himself as being on the hotseat as well.  This team has too much talent to be playing like this.

All NHL players want their name on the cup. The Wild players, like the fans, were expecting Christmas Morning this past offseason after they've been waiting for it for years themselves. What did they get? What did we all get? Tarastinko and the ghost of Nico Sturm.

Add on top of that, a record breaking contract for 97 that pretty much ensures this team will be status quo for at least the next couple of years. Of course this affects every player on the roster. All of these players that want their names on the cup, and have been waiting for years for a legitimate chance, now have to wait even longer. They are getting older and literally watching their careers fade away without even a sniff. It's safe to assume that they've all been spoon fed Billy's master five year plan and promised "it's coming, just be patient".

Not sure why so many people defend or even like Bill Guerin. Just look at his Wild resume, what has he done since becoming the GM? He started by putting the Wild in cap hell, for years. What did that accomplish? Nothing. They were never any better, they didn't accomplish anything more, and all it did was make the franchise difficult to operate and an undesirable destination. How many vets has he brought in that have literally done nothing to make this team better? He's drafted two difference makers in six years, that's it. Almost every single trade he's made has had no effect on the Wild's success. The only good trade, in hindsight, was getting Faber and a 1st (Ohgren) for Fiala. It's looking more and more like Ohgren is going to be a bust and Faber is quickly coming down from great to just good. I would argue that this team would have had more success over the last three seasons with Fiala on the team and not Faber. A decision had to be made, keep Fiala or keep Fleury. While it was cool and felt good to keep Fleury, I also believe that Talbot would have been the better goaltender to keep over the last three seasons.

Just my two cents, obviously, but this team has issues, and they have for years. I know this current roster will never win a cup, so I'm ready for a rebuild. I would much rather watch the youth learn the game, and lose, than watch old tired vets, who don't seem to give a shit, lose. Watching Utah is fun and exciting. They are all in on the youth movement, and it's working.

Billy didn't right the ship, he just rocked the boat even harder.

[Pewterschmidt]

12 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Billy didn't right the ship, he just rocked the boat even harder.

Wild have gone sideways for all of bill's years as GM (since Aug 2019).

The only cavalry now are the prospect's.  Which one of the kids is going to pull us up out of this?  Or is Benak the white knight now?

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

I can see the claim based on how the team played early last season with about the same roster. But was that start an aberration or what this roster should be?

[MNCountryLife]

37 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

What did they get? What did we all get?

I have to admit... I expected more this summer.  Contracts for Kirill and Rossi.  Signed Vlad and Sturm.  Less than $5M cap space.  It hurts.

[Pewterschmidt]

Just now, FredJohnson said:

I can see the claim based on how the team played early last season with about the same roster. But was that start an aberration or what this roster should be?

That was peak apathetic core after a season where they got their coach fired and then missed playoffs with new coach.  Every single player started last season with something to prove.  Then 97 went down and all the air went out of the ballon.  Thanks Wild, now I sound like Sam.  Hope you’re happy.  

[FredJohnson]

4 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

That was peak apathetic core after a season where they got their coach fired and then missed playoffs with new coach.  Every single player started last season with something to prove.  Then 97 went down and all the air went out of the ballon.  Thanks Wild, now I sound like Sam.  Hope you’re happy.  

Doomer! 😂

[MNCountryLife]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

None this year.  We've earned this horrible record.  But I don't hate the entire roster.  I like our D-core and feel like the majority of forwards are capable. I think we clearly lack 2 top 6 players and 1 or 2 bottom 6 players.

If I think of it that way we really shouldn't be that bad of a team.  No roster is 100% complete.   But players have to stop looking at the guy next to him and do their own job better.  Faber made that statement and he played his best game of the season even though it was a loss.  With this roster we may not be a division leading team.  But we shouldn't be bottom dwellers either....yet here we are.

[Dean]

After 25 years of being a fan this year is really disheartening.  During the buyouts you at least had the hope of what possibilities lie ahead . If Billy’s plan had worked we should be the exciting team with young talent mixed in with vets Billy had deemed as ones to lead us to a cup . Instead the beginning of the season you see all the bottom feeder teams with there plethora of talent playing exciting hockey. And we’re still the same team as 6 years ago . Same leadership or lack there of. Same problems. Same mediocrity. We should be excited about this year if our gm had done his job the past years.  Kappy at14 million. , young draft picks finding there way and hungry vets wanting a cup.  We got jack shit for x’mas . A 17 million dollar guy who looks more like his career will follow the vlad trajectory than Sidney Crosby  and draft picks that can’t develop.  Maybe some of the kids will be quality players but not the over the top talent we need. Like the Utah , San Jose , ducks, Chicago , New Jersey etc.  it sucks seeing our rebuild getting passed by  the bottom feeders finally finding there way. I would have taken 6 years of suck for celebrini   Cooley , Hughes  and on an on . Rossi is a decent player but not on the level of these guys or a #1 center.. Yurov looks like he’s legit but more 3 rd line 200 ft player. Not the #1 center we need . Zeev is a glorified Calen Addison. Can skate and that’s it. No defense whatsoever or a care to play it . Ohgren. Who knows . Definitely isn’t taking advantage of his b.s. opportunities. Faber is solid but not great. Wally. Who knows. The other kids in minors. Yeah whatever that they’ll make it getting developed by us. They will be throw ins on trades. 
   It sucks seeing the next decade of mediocrity is upon us. Unless Billy starts taking big swings and shaking this team to the core. We don’t have time for kappy to get older waiting on kids not to develop. The coach needs to be fired. We need a  playoff coach to light a fire and put some vets in there places. . This idea we can sit in a bubble 6 years and think the vets of the past are our future is ridiculous. Big swings Billy or get the F out of dodge