Article: Minnesota's Best Trade Options Aren't the Ones You'd Expect

[Justin Hein]

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[Pewterschmidt]

Ugh these would ve trading our young prospects for another journeyman. No thanks.  Let’s wait for a home run mega trade later in year

[Pewterschmidt]

I think last year’s hot out of the gate wild was more mirage than trend. Let’s remember they were coming off their first season with hi NZ and they miss the playoffs so when they started the season last year after a full Heinze’s first full camp, they were stinging with embarrassment of missing the playoffs so we were getting peak journeyman core at the beginning of last season, they squeaked into the playoffs and the rest of history I think what we’re seeing this season is more trend than Mirage. The journeyman are all one year older slower, less motivated and that’s what we’re watching now. 

[Pewterschmidt]

I’d vote for playing the kids and letting them learn this year alongside the journeyman and chalking up this season to learning. The kids are Zibo, jiri, yurov, ogz, Haight, Lambos and bankier.  This would be a more fun season for this fan to watch and more productive in terms of wild future development than sliding sideways for 70 more games watching Nojo do button hooks at the blue line and Sanko looking lost and tired.

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[Pewterschmidt]

Anyone of the old core not named Boldy or 97 are tradable.  Goalies included.  Time to earn that paycheck (and title) bill. 

[Pewterschmidt]

Just now, Pewterschmidt said:

Anyone of the old core not named Boldy or 97 are tradable.  Goalies included.  Time to earn that paycheck (and title) bill. 

Since Rossi is only player with no trade protection I’ll predict bill trades him and 2-3 prospects for a 32 yr old fwd.   

[Citizen Strife]

The Wild from the third period looked like high quality hockey players.  The problem is they either can't or won't play to that standard all the time, or even half the time.  Players like Vlad are doing it 0% of the time.

The Wild would also be well served to get younger, not prop up the team with 32-33 year old replacements of 38 year olds.  Just add by subtraction for now.

Players you can't move: Kap, Boldy, Rossi, Buium, Faber, Wally, Gus.

Players You SHOULDN'T move unless you have a slam dunk deal: Yurov, Jiricek, Ohgren (Jiricek and Ohgren are struggling, but they have years to make up ground).

Everyone else, even Ek, Brodin, and Spurgeon, should be looked at as trade bait.  The team is all out of sync, and I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.  But 10 games in is telling me something in this team is just lost.  2-3 types of players are reading from 2-3 types of pages and are getting beaten by everyone.

Pick a lane: Choose your hard like the 3rd period or choose to play somewhere else.

There IS talent and drive peaking out.  But getting scorched by a team with no defense tells me this "vaunted" defense first team is a mirage.

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Pewterschmidt]

Memo to interns at Wild org: After reading athletic article re bill’s huddle with captain’s BEFORE Utah game, you should work from home today.  bill is going to be painting some back porches red in the office today

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55 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Ugh these would ve trading our young prospects for another journeyman. No thanks.  Let’s wait for a home run mega trade later in year

I like the home run idea because they just are so lacking in elite skill.  They have a ton of mid-grade players.  Hein's suggestion of adding two upper mid-grade is the kind of move they have been making for years, and you are supposed to be hoping your youth of Yurov or Ogie or Haight can offer that kind of play.  

If you trust nobody in your system to be equal or better in the near future to a 30+ year old $5 million player, then what the hell have you been doing in you drafting and development?  

Boldy and Kap, and pretty much Faber and Buium came ready to play in the NHL.  Their farm system has done jack sh*t for the last decade to prepare anybody or they have drafted players who had low ceilings.  Maybe both.

And let your young guys play a bit and make a couple mistakes before total banishment.  It is REALLY frustrating to watch playoff highlights of other teams that all seem to have our former players playing well in the playoffs.

 

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[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Ugh these would ve trading our young prospects for another journeyman. No thanks.  Let’s wait for a home run mega trade later in year

Yep. And if things don't go well OCL won't have any choice but to rebuild.

[B1GKappa97]

Idk, should they even make a trade?

Right now its looking like we're gonna have a top-5 pick!! 

Idk what the fix is. This team has had opportunities to turn at least a couple of these Ls into Ws and is just consistently failing to deliver in those moments. 

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[0 Stanley Cups]

I would love to have Tuch back, but he will be way too expensive in the trade market and then as a UFA next summer.  BUF does NOT want Rossi (didn't draft), Ohgren!  They didn't want them for Cozens, or Peterka, and they don't want them for Tuch, nor Thompson. 

PIT and NYI journeyman, hard pass!!  BG needs to make a bold move at some point, either mid season or next offseason, because this team is just not good enough to keep tinkering around the edges.  Our defense is supposed to be our stabilizer, but they've looked terrible beyond our two rookies, Midsy needs to stay out of the box.

If the Wild could finally get a #1 pick as a result of a garbage season this year, that would be best case scenario, but let's face it we're Minnesota, it'll never happen!  Arizona/Phoenix were a last place dumpster fire for two decades and somehow never "won" a first overall pick...

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11 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

Idk, should they even make a trade?

Right now its looking like we're gonna have a top-5 pick!! 

 

If you can get a young star in the making with years left on his contract on a deadline deal I would take it.   They can't seem to develop anybody, and use 1st round picks on third line centers like Stramel.  

[Imyourhuckleberry]

The Wild of the 3rd period showed a bit of what the team might be capable of if it plays hard all night. If they cannot string together a few wins in this home stand, this could be a long season.

[MNCountryLife]

If we make a trade the player needs to be in their 20's.  I don't want to watch another 33 year old play his sunset years with the Wild.  We are not a retirement community.  

[MNCountryLife]

We used to pride ourselves on keeping shots on the outside.  Defenders need to stay goal side.  Do that and maybe we can lower that 3.9 GA average that we are giving up.  Ugh ... that is high.

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5 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

  We are not a retirement community.  

 

You sure about that?

[goenzoy]

20 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

If they cannot string together a few wins in this home stand, this could be a long season

Very true but they need help at Center position and not a winger

[mnfaninnc]

I like the idea of acquiring Tuch and resigning him. The rest, I'll just simply pass on. I'd consider trying to trade for guys taken high in the '20-22 drafts and let that age group be the core of the team. 

But, you've got to play them even though they may not be fully ready. Rarely does a guy come into the league ready to set it on fire. There are growing pains and we're seeing that now. But, that does not explain what has happened to the vets.

[MNCountryLife]

3 minutes ago, Dis-allowed display name said:

You sure about that?

Sometimes it sure feels like it.

[MNCountryLife]

4 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Very true but they need help at Center position and not a winger

I would say just the opposite.  Foligno, Senko, Ben, Pitlick, Trenin, Nojo, Vinnie have not moved the needle much at all.

Rossi, Ek, Yurov, Hartman have been the bright spots amoung our forwards.

[Citizen Strife]

If (and big if) you get a shot at a better center, go ahead and take it.  But the team is showing it has talent gaps everywhere.  More than anything else, improving team speed would be nice.  Not in the "Mojo/Khusnutdinov/Lauko I'm fast but that's it" category, but there are bound to be young players that have speed and skill to spare.  The Foligno/Trenin/etc players are nice to have, but too many leads to a glut of false ,"grit.".

Kinda like a versatile Hartman, but younger and more dynamic.

Not really sure teams would give up those pesky types though.

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16 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

I would say just the opposite.  Foligno, Senko, Ben, Pitlick, Trenin, Nojo, Vinnie have not moved the needle much at all.

 

Haight made the team with a strong camp!  Oghren going to get some playing time!

 

A few moments later....

Jones and Pitlick up, Ohgren and Haight down.

Way to let them build some confidence!  Give your young guys the self esteem beatdown every chance you get to throw some nobodys into the lineup.    Oh they made some mistakes did they?  Maybe were not giving the right intensity?  Maybe because if they blink they get sent down.  Their approach to youth and inexperience is fear, the press box, and demotion at a change of wind direction.  

That is why we will have Nojo until 2030.

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[hydguy75]

Where are we now at on the spectrum.... Wild?.... Wildfire?.... Dumpster Fire?

[Sam]

9 minutes ago, hydguy75 said:

Where are we now at on the spectrum.... Wild?.... Wildfire?.... Dumpster Fire?

It depends on who you ask.