Article: Is A High-Profile Russian Addition the Final Piece To Minnesota's 5-On-5 Puzzle?

[Justin Hein]

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[NoJoSux]

I don't think so. There's more than one thing to tweak with this team right now. The NoJo and Tarasenko nothingburgerness and lack of Norwegian Hobbit means the young guys would need to elevate. In that regard, Hynes isn't playing them cause they're not blowing doors either.

Is MN capable of getting one guy that unlocks the puzzle? I doubt it. They need to get players like Ek, Kaprizov, Boldy firing on all cylinders and getting the depth scoring from somewhere else 5v5 but that's looking near impossible.

MN really needs a skilled energy guy who can score and bring some jam like a Verhaeghe or Tippet but we're stuck with rookies and old puck watchers. The player for MN just doesn't appear to be there at the moment. Could Calgary or Tampa decide they're ready to make a trade? Rasmus Andersson would be a nice target or perhaps Tampa would trade Cirelli? I'd rather see MN get some grit and move on from so many perimeter, finesse players who wimp-out and accept defeat easily.

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1 hour ago, NoJoSux said:

 

 I'd rather see MN get some grit 

I am sure you mean it in a different way than maybe Guerin, but reading about getting another grit guy made me throw up in my mouth a little.

[Citizen Strife]

Can the Wild get a player who isn't mid-30s or above someday?  

Malkin's offensive skill was slipping for a couple seasons.  I don't want him.  Panarin might be worth a flier, but that is a pretty expensive flier.  The Wild are not "one guy away" mode.  They are 2-3 guys away, and more when you consider people aging out anyway.

[Burnt Toast]

The Wild need an ODC big move trade. Not sure what that looks like but the player/players have to bring some leadership and accountability to this team. Gotta be a scorer that is tough enough to excel in the playoffs. Guess BG has his work cut out for him. I’m really undecided on timing because I’m not sure what Wild team is going to emerge from the slow start. One thing I will disagree with about the article is that Art Pan makes us an instant contender. If he actually does I’d go all in asap including having NY retain salary. 

[Patrick]

The move to make is firing Hynes and bringing in a real coach. Preferably one with an actual system who isn't looking over his shoulder at the GM with every move he makes. 

[OldDutchChip]

i'd pass on Malkin and cut bait with Vlady as soon as possible. they are done. 

Panarin is a pass too, as he serves little purpose to what we are trying to do - win a SC - and for that we need some strength/energy/passion in our top 6

so here is the plan - 

1. we have to finally realize that this team runs on one players timeline -  Kaprizov. 
2. send jiricek to AHL and forget about him for a year - or trade his ass for whatever you can get - he is not progressing and will cost us games that we cannot afford to loose
3. move Faber back to PP - he needs it, otherwise his fat ass is as useful as Suter, and at this point i'd prefer Suter
4. this won't sit well w Goose, Fred and that Zona geezer, but use Zeev to bring in Tage. I don't care how awesome Zeev will be in 5 years. he is playing like Addison right now. and that ain't helping anyone.
5. kap needs help now. maybe both Sens and Sabres are out of it in a month (if not already) and Brady's thumb is all better and we can get either Brady or Tage for Zeev and filler. Or Columbus is still in last place and wants to give us Marchenko. 
6. be smart and look at your timeline. you signed Kap not to mentor, but to win a cup. this is not a team that waits to develop zeev and wally. this is a team with a top player in the league and is asking him to instead babysit a new line of future overrated prospects. 

fuck bill - i had to come back here to bring some much needed wisdom so get this thing in order. get your shit together. you were given a gift with kap's signing and now you are wasting it.

• L1 Kap Zuccy Brady or Tage
• L2 Rossi Boldy Yurov
• L3 Ek Harty Foligno
• L4 Sturm Henny Trenin (MJ 13th)

Edited 19 hours ago by OldDutchChip

[Sam]

1 hour ago, Burnt Toast said:

The Wild need an ODC big move trade. Not sure what that looks like but the player/players have to bring some leadership and accountability to this team. Gotta be a scorer that is tough enough to excel in the playoffs. Guess BG has his work cut out for him. I’m really undecided on timing because I’m not sure what Wild team is going to emerge from the slow start. One thing I will disagree with about the article is that Art Pan makes us an instant contender. If he actually does I’d go all in asap including having NY retain salary. 

Art Pan? Is he related to Peter? But seriously, it would cost way more than what it’s worth I think.

[Burnt Toast]

Just now, Sam said:

But seriously

My spelling is so bad that I use random abbreviations. Art Pan is probably the worst example of that. Should have just used The Breadman. 

[Will D. Ness]

Pasta = locked up pipe dream

Brady = locked up pipe dream

Tage = locked up pipe dream

Panarin = expiring contract semi-pipe dream

Bringing back Jason Zucker = xmas morning

[Pewterschmidt]

6 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Pasta = locked up pipe dream

Brady = locked up pipe dream

Tage = locked up pipe dream

Panarin = expiring contract semi-pipe dream

Bringing back Jason Zucker = xmas morning

You better not have wished this into reality Will 

[OldDutchChip]

39 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Pasta = locked up pipe dream

Brady = locked up pipe dream

Tage = locked up pipe dream

Panarin = expiring contract semi-pipe dream

Bringing back Jason Zucker = xmas morning

Re: Pasta - he is on a team that is 3-6 and Bs know they are out of it already and are going for high pick.... would they not entertain moving on from pasta (which will only help with that top pick aspiration) and getting another top prospect in return? that has to be tempting and be a win-win for both sides.

minny would send a package centering around zeev, trenin, and another future 1st for pasta. 

[mnfaninnc]

36 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Re: Pasta - he is on a team that is 3-6 and Bs know they are out of it already and are going for high pick.... would they not entertain moving on from pasta (which will only help with that top pick aspiration) and getting another top prospect in return? that has to be tempting and be a win-win for both sides.

minny would send a package centering around zeev, trenin, and another future 1st for pasta. 

Out of the plan you put up above, I think I like Pasta better. RHS is something we're missing. I'd love to bring him in and would hope that it wouldn't cost Buium to get it done. Trenin does seem like a Bruins type of player, though. 

I'm hoping we can bring in someone before the end of January. It will take some time to get used to them, and I really think we're going to need a strong 2nd half push to make it into the Wild Card area. 

I don't think we're that far away from being successful as far as the players go, but some of these rookies have got to grow up fast. I think The Wall, Buium, and Yurov are doing just that. We've got the #2 prospect depth according to the writers...at least top 5, why not use that depth to gain a guy in Boston than take from the current roster? 

For it to happen, Pasta would have to waive his NMC. Same with the other guys mentioned. And, I think Pasta may be a better playoff type of player. The other guy I really like is Tuch. He's got the grit and scoring touch needed, is an RHS, and to this point has not resigned with Buffalo. 

I do think with Rossi, Ek, Yurov and eventually Sturm, we are solid enough down the middle for us to look at wings. Of course, Panarin and Malkin are probably in that class too, as I think Malkin is probably a wing these days regardless of where he plays. I also liked Kalisha's idea of Tippett, and there is always Marchenko and Voronkov from CBJ who would be good additions. What they offer is being a bit younger, and we could use some more youth.

14 hours ago, Patrick said:

The move to make is firing Hynes and bringing in a real coach.

If Hynes refuses to give the rookies decent TOI, I have to agree with this. His main goal this season is to get them playing at an NHL level and contributing. He's setting his lineup too conservatively. I don't think he's looking over his shoulder at the GM, and the GM needs to insist he play the kids more. 

Also, with the vets, I can't remember how long ago I heard it, but the vets seem to have slow starts until around game 20 when things kick in. This is league wide and not necessarily just our vets. And it is, of course, a generalization, there are some that will start out hot.

[Will D. Ness]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

Re: Pasta - he is on a team that is 3-6 and Bs know they are out of it already and are going for high pick.... would they not entertain moving on from pasta (which will only help with that top pick aspiration) and getting another top prospect in return? that has to be tempting and be a win-win for both sides.

minny would send a package centering around zeev, trenin, and another future 1st for pasta. 

I would absolutely love Pasta... but man it's going to cost Boldy and Zeev and multiple 1sts and probably more.  They sell Pasta for the farm... nothing less.

Panarin might be had with expendables and draft capital.  It all comes down to whether he wants to be here or not.  

[OldDutchChip]

58 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Out of the plan you put up above, I think I like Pasta better. RHS is something we're missing. I'd love to bring him in and would hope that it wouldn't cost Buium to get it done. Trenin does seem like a Bruins type of player, though. 

I'm hoping we can bring in someone before the end of January. It will take some time to get used to them, and I really think we're going to need a strong 2nd half push to make it into the Wild Card area. 

I don't think we're that far away from being successful as far as the players go, but some of these rookies have got to grow up fast. I think The Wall, Buium, and Yurov are doing just that. We've got the #2 prospect depth according to the writers...at least top 5, why not use that depth to gain a guy in Boston than take from the current roster? 

For it to happen, Pasta would have to waive his NMC. Same with the other guys mentioned. And, I think Pasta may be a better playoff type of player. The other guy I really like is Tuch. He's got the grit and scoring touch needed, is an RHS, and to this point has not resigned with Buffalo. 

I do think with Rossi, Ek, Yurov and eventually Sturm, we are solid enough down the middle for us to look at wings. Of course, Panarin and Malkin are probably in that class too, as I think Malkin is probably a wing these days regardless of where he plays. I also liked Kalisha's idea of Tippett, and there is always Marchenko and Voronkov from CBJ who would be good additions. What they offer is being a bit younger, and we could use some more youth.

If Hynes refuses to give the rookies decent TOI, I have to agree with this. His main goal this season is to get them playing at an NHL level and contributing. He's setting his lineup too conservatively. I don't think he's looking over his shoulder at the GM, and the GM needs to insist he play the kids more. 

Also, with the vets, I can't remember how long ago I heard it, but the vets seem to have slow starts until around game 20 when things kick in. This is league wide and not necessarily just our vets. And it is, of course, a generalization, there are some that will start out hot.

i am not sure Pasta can be had for anything but your top rated prospect. bill needs to come ready to deal and not waste Bs time. pasta + boldy + kap is a monstrous trio. zeev is a tough one - but he needs time and won't be ready for few years (at which point Kap is in his 30s) and right now zeev's usage seems to be impacting faber's play (no matter what faber says to the media). faber needs to be engaged in PP otherwise he is dying out there. 

tuch, tage, columbus bunch are good - but yeah i'd push in on Pasta. 

[OldDutchChip]

40 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

I would absolutely love Pasta... but man it's going to cost Boldy and Zeev and multiple 1sts and probably more.  They sell Pasta for the farm... nothing less.

Panarin might be had with expendables and draft capital.  It all comes down to whether he wants to be here or not.  

yeah panarin would def cost less but i am not a fan....and boldy is untouchable.

but would Rossi + Zeev + Trenin + 1sts AND MJ as sweetener be enough for Pasta?

[goenzoy]

16 hours ago, Patrick said:

The move to make is firing Hynes and bringing in a real coach. Preferably one with an actual system who isn't looking over his shoulder at the GM with every move he makes. 

Exactly . Hynes plays already in "How can I save my a... mode" 

Against Dallas KK did play close to 25 minutes .I believe Boldy almost the same

It is utter madness to let forwards play above 20 minutes 

[Citizen Strife]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

yeah panarin would def cost less but i am not a fan....and boldy is untouchable.

but would Rossi + Zeev + Trenin + 1sts AND MJ as sweetener be enough for Pasta?

Switch out Zeev for Ohgren and see if they go for it. Zeev's defensive struggles aside, he has too many years and too much game breaking potential to waste in a trade.

Ohgren's had a year and some change to go from "invisible" player to...oh right.

See if they'd want a Heidt or something else. Zeev has issues that can be fixed.  Ohgren's might not be.

 

[OldDutchChip]

21 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Switch out Zeev for Ohgren and see if they go for it. Zeev's defensive struggles aside, he has too many years and too much game breaking potential to waste in a trade.

Ohgren's had a year and some change to go from "invisible" player to...oh right.

See if they'd want a Heidt or something else. Zeev has issues that can be fixed.  Ohgren's might not be.

 

sure, start with Ohgren and others ,but i think it becomes more realistic if you are willing to go with Zeev. Ohgren's value is not too high right now. 

giving up on zeev may hurt you in the long run - but again that core of boldy/kap/pasta - all in their prime - has to be appealing and would be scary for the rest of the NHL. that should give Wild a change to win during the next 5 years (heck - Panarin can join in the fun on the cheap and we become the Florida of the North....)

also - faber gets his confidence back too - which is another huge point in all this - he is not doing good!

[Will D. Ness]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

yeah panarin would def cost less but i am not a fan....and boldy is untouchable.

but would Rossi + Zeev + Trenin + 1sts AND MJ as sweetener be enough for Pasta?

Doubt it.  Rossi is looking good so far this year but as we saw this off season... not in high demand.

[OldDutchChip]

29 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Doubt it.  Rossi is looking good so far this year but as we saw this off season... not in high demand.

Rossi is on a beauty of a bargain contract.  Should he play well, he'd fetch yet another solid return at TD for Bs. 

B's would ensure they get the best odds at McKenna (Rossi won't drag them out of the basement), get Zeev (a top D prospect league wide), another first pick from Wild and then likely another solid pick for Rossi (if re-traded). 

This wouldn't be too bad of an outcome for Bs. Also a win for Wild too with focus narrowing on the next five years to win.