Article: Wild Get Reality Check On Disappointing Road Trip

[Scalptrash]

14 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

The point is, Fred, they are both very beatable teams and the games are at home. If they can't win these games, then they are in trouble. I'm sure you believe they are putting names on cup this year, right?

[raithis]

2 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

Let's not all cry in our beers like a bunch of fair weathers.

Exactly.  Some of you guys are ridiculous.  A few games into the season, and half of you guys turn into Deans, whining about everything and so quick to point fingers at anyone.

I'm not defending the team as there is (obviously) a lot of room for improvement, but if you can't be patient to see how things shake out 8 games into a season, you would never be able to handle an actual rebuild.

If the Wild should give up this season, then I suppose that's also your opinion on both the Oilers and the Stars?  As bad as our offense has been, it's been better than theirs, AND we have more points in the standings too.

It's too early in the season to call anything.  The sample size is far too small and there is lots of time to make up ground.  The Wild are only 5 points out of first at this point and people are acting like it's the end of March and the team is freefalling out of the playoff race.

 

 

[raithis]

24 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

The point is, Fred, they are both very beatable teams and the games are at home. If they can't win these games, then they are in trouble. I'm sure you believe they are putting names on cup this year, right?

Whether the Wild win the Cup or not has no relevance to the fact that that is a complete overreaction.

I don't know who will win the Cup, but pretty much every team that does loses some very winnable games.

Even your response is a complete overreaction.  There's nothing logical about it.

Edited 14 hours ago by raithis

[Imyourhuckleberry]

7 minutes ago, raithis said:

The sample size is far too small and there is lots of time to make up ground.  The Wild are only 5 points out of first at this point and people are acting like it's the end of March and the team is freefalling out of the playoff race.

No question the points percentage to this point is concerning, but if the Wild win their next 2 games, they'll bump right up near the playoff positioned teams.

The Wild were not particularly strong at home last season, but every season takes on a life of its own, so perhaps this season will see the Wild take 9 to 12 points from the upcoming 6-game homestand that begins Saturday. Utah has been playing well, but there are some very winnable matchups in it.

[Burnt Toast]

11 minutes ago, raithis said:

handle an actual rebuild.

I’d be ok with what Montreal has been doing. Go to the SCFs. then instantly go into a super charged,  high draft pick,  insta build. That’s the game I’m looking forward to seeing this year. 

[Dean]

Blank check Craig needs to open the checkbook and buyout Johnny Hynes . Bring in Deboer . I remember during the Dean era , Russo saying Craig didn’t want to spend the money to buyout Dean. Yet Craig goes and pisses money on the highest paid contract that nobody will touch for years to come. That kappy contract is going to bite us in the ass unless they get a coach to light a fire under there asses. Otherwise kappy is going to be the definition of European laziness. Get your money and go soft.. nobody is going to come here and play for peanuts to carry kappys over paid ass. So much for relevancy. 
    The immediate problem is the 2 nd line. Jo Jo and vlad. What the heck do you do with nmc vlad and his cap hit . Jonny ain’t putting him in press box . He’s worthless as a 3 rd or 4 th liner. Can’t win any battle. So he’s stuck in that top six this year .  Just ridiculous. Didn’t the bozo pro scouts think about wtf happens if he’s washed up . What’s the backup plan ?  Jo Jo at least doesn’t make anything. Yet he takes up a roster spot in top 6 and he’s not a 3 rd or 4 th liner type player.  He should be in press box. The kids moved up and the ahlers fill out 4 th line. At least the ahlers have compete in them. 
   I’m also getting sick of hearing how we need to keep waiting for kids to develop. Maybe draft better or develop them better. How old are these kids. Look around the nhl. Kids are playing everywhere and contributing. How old is Ogie now. It’s time to shit or get off the pot with him. Chicago, ducks and mammoth are coming with there kids. Yet we’re still trying to figure out which washed up vet we want to ruin our top 6 with . Jo Jo , vlad , Hartman , moose . 

    I said In the past Chicago will win a playoff round before us with the way they rebuilt versus us. . It’s looking more likely . To think the year we come out of buyouts  this is the team we have. What a flipping joke!!! 

[OldDutchChip]

3 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Let’s throw out the McD contract.  The Eichel contract is a fair comparison though.  Only the most delusional wild fans would say 97 is more valuable than a 1C on a Cup winner.  Nearly every national ranking has Eichel above 97.  Do the math on that overpay by bill and ask yourself if this is the right guy constructing the roster and managing the assets. Woof 🐶 

sorry buddy, i am usually with ya but Kap (to me) is a better player than Eichel. and still being disrespected by media. 

there is no Stone, Marner, Dorofeev, Barbashev, Karlsson, Hertl on the Wild. I think Kap would push closer to 200 pts this season if he replaces Eichel for Vegas.

it must be deflating for Kap and Boldy to skate with MJ, Vlady, and the rest (apart from Harty, Rossi and Yurov).

Jiricek stinks and Zeev may need to go to AHL to get a bit more comfy with D assignments 5v5 and learn to control himself better on PP. Neither will happen though. 

[Pewterschmidt]

51 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

sorry buddy, i am usually with ya but Kap (to me) is a better player than Eichel. and still being disrespected by media. 

there is no Stone, Marner, Dorofeev, Barbashev, Karlsson, Hertl on the Wild. I think Kap would push closer to 200 pts this season if he replaces Eichel for Vegas.

it must be deflating for Kap and Boldy to skate with MJ, Vlady, and the rest (apart from Harty, Rossi and Yurov).

Jiricek stinks and Zeev may need to go to AHL to get a bit more comfy with D assignments 5v5 and learn to control himself better on PP. Neither will happen though. 

Who’s down with ODC yah you know me

[Scalptrash]

2 hours ago, raithis said:

Whether the Wild win the Cup or not has no relevance to the fact that that is a complete overreaction.

I don't know who will win the Cup, but pretty much every team that does loses some very winnable games.

Even your response is a complete overreaction.  There's nothing logical about it.

None of what I said is an overreaction, I only said that if they lose the next two, they are in trouble.

You're reading into it, as usual, and just trolling. The truth is, they aren't the Oilers or the Stars, so the likelihood of them becoming a top team in the Central is much more daunting task. I live in reality, not sure where you live. Rainbows and unicorns, eh?

[NoJoSux]

Currently 21st in the league.

Not getting too many goals and giving up quite a few on average. Top 5 for goals against. 

Yikes, thought MN has good defense? What's the answer? Coach is giving me the Dean-O vibe before he got fired. Is Hynes capable of getting these guys going? 

Does MN's defense core stink?

[NoJoSux]

NoJo sucks, we've established that. Funny to see his modest wrap-around attempt result in an unfrozen puck for Yurov's first goal, but another weak assist for NoJo's numbers. It must be addressed with the appropriate NoJo-negativity. 

[raithis]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

None of what I said is an overreaction, I only said that if they lose the next two, they are in trouble.

You're reading into it, as usual, and just trolling. The truth is, they aren't the Oilers or the Stars, so the likelihood of them becoming a top team in the Central is much more daunting task. I live in reality, not sure where you live. Rainbows and unicorns, eh?

I'm not trolling at all.  I'm merely stating that it's only 8 games into the season and the gap in points isn't something that can't be overcome yet.  Even if the next two games end up as losses or OTLs, it's not as if the Wild couldn't make up the ground since there would still be 72 games left in the season to do it.  That's reality.

If they lose the next two AND the next ten end up like the first ten, then I'd totally agree with you that they were in trouble.  Right now it's overreacting.  A team doesn't have to win the President's Trophy in order to get into the playoffs so it's not a problem if it makes it harder to be top 4 in the West.  Yeah, I'd prefer they do that well, but I'm not going to feel like the team is a complete failure if they don't.  Again, that's living in reality.

I don't think that the team has shown anything to lead me to believe they have the ability to win the Cup, but I also don't think there is such cause for alarm that the team shouldn't keep progressing as it has.  They need to keep developing the younger players because getting players in free agency is going to be hard because it'll be a bidding war for what few worthwhile players that actually go to free agency.  Likewise, trading is going to be difficult for the better players because teams know that free agency will be limited.  The Wild's best chance is that the player has a NMC and has said that they would waive it for the Wild (and I'm not holding my breath on that one).  The team also doesn't have much for players to give without undercutting the only realistic source of good players - prospects.  Not every one will work out, but for any prospect we trade out, we need to be getting someone still close to their prime that is about at the projected ceiling of the prospect the team gives up.  The player in question also needs to be under contract or willing to sign an extension.

I've gotten a bit off topic, but it's all a bit of explanation that I'm firmly in reality.  I may have a tendency to overthink things, but I'd say most people are also guilty of oversimplifying things.

Also, you didn't only say that.  You also immediately jumped to the conclusion that the other person who indicated it was overreacting thought that the Wild would win the Cup this year.  I don't think many here actually think that.  In fact, I doubt anyone does.  Can they?  Maybe.  Will they?  Unlikely.  That statement was trolling more than anything I said, yet you conveniently left it out.

Edited 10 hours ago by raithis
Apologies for rambling a bit.