Article: Kirill Kaprizov Re-Signs with the Wild on Record-Breaking Contract

[MNCountryLife]

There is only two ways that this contract will look good in the end.

1)  The Wild make it to the Cup finals.

2)  The cap goes up tremendously and $17M starts to look cheap.

[0 Stanley Cups]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

Now Billy has to back it up and get 97 a real center...right fucking now! I think the Wild should do whatever it takes to get Thompson from Buffalo. He's under contract for five more years at $7.1M. That would easily work and he would fit perfectly.

Let's go Billy, make this team a real contender! Quit pussyfooting around and make some real moves.

Other realistic center options??

Would love to get Larkin out of DET, I know he's a Michigan guy, but he hasn't been to the playoffs since his rookie year 10 years ago, there may be a tipping point with the yzerplan's lack of success.

[M_Nels]

6 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

there may be a tipping point with the yzerplan's lack of success.

Don't know if one of these forum sites exist for Detroit but if we thought Billy was on thin ice with a hot seat can't imagine what Detroit's fans think of Yzerman.

[FredJohnson]

2 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT IN THE COMMENTS NOW?!

Don't worry, Old Dutch Dich will find something.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Without question there will be a lot of teams who use the cap increases much better than the Wild. I hope I'm wrong but looks like we'll be stuck in the middle for awhile again, unless they can figure out the draft and development.

This just reset the parameters on McDavid and other superstars coming up. The cap going up has really started capflation now. I should have registered that word.

[Patrick]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

While there are kernel's of truth in this post, the State of Hockey simply cannot let a player of 97's caliber go.  He had to be retained at whatever cost.

Is that what the Panthers have done? Nope

Is that what the Patriots did during their dynasty? Nope.

The fact is that winning organizations don't do this unless you are talking about McDavid. 

KK isn't close to McDavid and never will be. We just bought the peak at a 20% premium.

[AKwildkraken]

Russo just tweeted the lineup for tonight's game.  Looks like the wild are throwing out the possible opening night roster.  I will probably miss the first period, but will tune in when I can.

[M_Nels]

5 minutes ago, AKwildkraken said:

Russo just tweeted the lineup for tonight's game.  Looks like the wild are throwing out the possible opening night roster.  I will probably miss the first period, but will tune in when I can.

The only 2 differences for opening night (assuming health) that I see here would be Sturm for Haight and Brodin for Bogo or Jiricek and Gus in goal.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

That is probably one of the best reasons to sign him at such a high AAV.  Minnesota needs to be considered a legitimate place to go.  A contender willing to spend the money to get there.

Most people don't understand that this was also part of why Suter/Parise deals were so high. Kaprizov is that guy who can help convince others to join him. We've already seen it with Tarasenko. I don't necessarily consider this an overpay, I do expect that some extra benefits will come from this signing, benefits that would be considered "intangibles" for those who remember Jimmy the Greek. 

While some may not agree with this statement, I do believe this also helps the Twins, Vikings and Timberwolves in recruiting. I also believe having Jefferson signed helped the other 3 also. Sometimes a whole area needs to work on being a destination. 

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I'm not necessarily high on Haight.  I just think he looks like the closest of our top three forward prospects to making a contribution in NHL.  To be clear, this is not a ringing endorsement of Haight, I just think he has a chance to play effective sheltered NHL minutes this season.

Why is it that whenever I think of Haight, Justine Fontaine comes to mind?

[0 Stanley Cups]

8 minutes ago, Patrick said:

Is that what the Panthers have done? Nope

Is that what the Patriots did during their dynasty? Nope.

The fact is that winning organizations don't do this unless you are talking about McDavid. 

KK isn't close to McDavid and never will be. We just bought the peak at a 20% premium.

Minnesota has cold weather and high taxes, Florida is the opposite, I agree with what your saying but we can't use their strategy, we need a different equation in order to compete.  The biggest change for the Panthers was the addition of Tkachuk, and also Reinhart to a degree.  Meanwhile Calgary became a dumpster fire since he left.

Kaprizov will be 16% of the $104M cap next year, and 15% of the $113.5M the year after.  Does this get us a cup, absolutely not, but it's a step in the right direction, we still need one more big time addition to our forward core.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

Was hoping Lambos might make the opening day roster.   Looks like he will start down in IA.  As expected, Buium and Jiricek appear to be staying up

But the good news to that is that it appears that Brodin is ahead of schedule!

[Citizen Strife]

If Rossi gets to 70 or even PPG, I will take that everyday.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

I am going to pencil in Gus at $8M and change to get us to $15M with 5 more roster spots.

I hope that pencil has an eraser. Goose isn't worth $8m/

[Patrick]

14 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

Minnesota has cold weather and high taxes, Florida is the opposite, I agree with what your saying but we can't use their strategy, we need a different equation in order to compete.  The biggest change for the Panthers was the addition of Tkachuk, and also Reinhart to a degree.  Meanwhile Calgary became a dumpster fire since he left.

Kaprizov will be 16% of the $104M cap next year, and 15% of the $113.5M the year after.  Does this get us a cup, absolutely not, but it's a step in the right direction, we still need one more big time addition to our forward core.

IF Kaprizov stays healthy we need one more big time addition. 

The problem is we don't have the money for it because we overpaid by close to 30% unless we become top heavy.

Additionally, KK is fragile.  8 years is too long. 

I don't think this will age well.

 

[mnfaninnc]

11 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

Minnesota has cold weather and high taxes, Florida is the opposite, I agree with what your saying but we can't use their strategy, we need a different equation in order to compete.  The biggest change for the Panthers was the addition of Tkachuk, and also Reinhart to a degree.  Meanwhile Calgary became a dumpster fire since he left.

Florida did trade for Tkachuk, but then gave him a big contract for the time. They didn't haggle with him, they just paid the prices in compensation, in salary, in restructuring the team to play a different way. 

The model we've used has been draft and develop. Most of these kids have been in hiding during the development stage. They should be better than a normal rookie, but still will be rookies. With the ELCs, we can probably afford the 1st 3 years of Kaprizov's deal before it becomes reasonable for a cap%. 

I think this team will look far better at the end of the year than at the beginning. I would suggest that this particular season, the teams with the youngest legs will have an advantage. Based upon the schedule, 41 games will be played through December 31st. That's a lot of hockey. Younger legs recover much better, and in the A, sometimes they play 3 straight nights. 

Heinzy has his work cut out for him, and so do the video guys, because the mental training needs to be very intense. Mistakes will be made, specifically, reads and mental, and those will need to be corrected quickly. I certainly hope there is a voice in the room who is an excellent teacher, and can break this stuff down for the kids. Also, having 2 competent goalies will be a necessity. 

This could be a perfect storm forming for our benefit.

[SkolWild73]

27 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I hope that pencil has an eraser. Goose isn't worth $8m/

Didn’t say he was or wasn’t.  If we get him for less then we have more to spend.  There are ten goalies making more than 8 this year.  Going with my predictions on the high side 

Edited 5 hours ago by SkolWild73

[mnfaninnc]

So many are clamoring for that 1aC. I assume that means a tremendous point producing, play driving C. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think the way we put our lines together, if we can get the greatest amount of net positive scoring, we're going to be a powerhouse. Our calling card is a 200' game and that takes centers who can produce points, yet don't get caught deep. 

So, if we're going to trade for that center, I think the best guy we can get is the best 200' center who is available. I don't know how Thompson is on the back end, but in zones 2 and 3 he is a monster. Larkin, to me, adds that speed element and I think he's pretty responsible defensively, at least per reputation. Both Ek and Rossi appear to have that trait. 

To me, the biggest missing trait is a big shot on the left side of the PP that can keep teams honest. I think we're way overbalanced towards LHS forwards. Angles are so important, and if a goalie can set up 3" closer to his glovehand side, that's enough to shut down a goal. Imagine if goalies couldn't cheat on Kaprizov 1-timers coming from the bottom of the circle. PKs could cheat leaving the back door open. To that, only Jiricek has that potential currently on the roster. 

So, if we're trading for a forward, an RHS with an accurate rocket and responsible defense should be what we're looking for. 

[mnfaninnc]

14 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Didn’t say he was or wasn’t.  If we get him for less then we have more to spend.  There are ten goalies making more than 8 this year.  Going with my predictions on the high side

Yikes, budgeting! The one constant in budgeting is the budget is always wrong!

[Citizen Strife]

Mnfaninc on board with something I've said a lot recently.  People don't want a 1C.  They are clamoring for a Top 10-15 scoring center.  Vastly different things.

If Rossi scores 70-80 someday and people are STILL saying "true 1C" stuff, it'll be all the more obvious.  That and just not being happy.

[mnfaninnc]

Also, for all keeping track, the boat anchor is on the contract throughout: NMC

[Dean]

So Billy is building this team like Toronto and Edmonton. Top heavy. The difference is there guys stay on ice  for the most part but don’t win cups. Kappy doesn’t stay on ice or win cups either. Realistically how many games a season do people think kappy will play over his contract.? 50-60?  I can’t see him playing a full season 1 out of 8 . What’s the plan when he goes on IR.  Haven’t they changed the rules on IR?  Listening to them talk about the barkov situation they were saying because of rule changes Florida isn’t going to be able to do what they’ve done in past.  So once again the rule changes hurt us with our highest priced winger that’s injury prone?  
  I just don’t see how you build a cup team this way. Love kappy but not 17 mil kappy on IR 

[mnfaninnc]

1 minute ago, Citizen Strife said:

Mnfaninc on board with something I've said a lot recently.  People don't want a 1C.  They are clamoring for a Top 10-15 scoring center.  Vastly different things.

Just getting back into the posting after, well, life happens. Mostly, I've just nodded at my computer when I agree.

[Pewterschmidt]

26 minutes ago, Patrick said:

IF Kaprizov stays healthy we need one more big time addition. 

I would argue this group is STILL two top 6 forwards from post season relevance.  Tarasanko might re-discover who he was 5 years ago (gonna watch him close tonight).  If that happens we're still one top 6'r away.  

Yurov may not even make the team out of camp.  Ogz ceiling is post season Trenin.  So now Haight is the last hope that a second top 6'r is already in the organization.  

[mnfaninnc]

3 minutes ago, Dean said:

So Billy is building this team like Toronto and Edmonton. Top heavy. The difference is there guys stay on ice  for the most part but don’t win cups. Kappy doesn’t stay on ice or win cups either. Realistically how many games a season do people think kappy will play over his contract.? 50-60?  I can’t see him playing a full season 1 out of 8 .

I don't view us as top heavy. For those teams it's 2-3 contracts that take up 40% of the cap. For us, it's just one biggie right now and the rest are pretty reasonable + quite a bit of ELCs sprinkled in. 

I'm thinking 70 games a season.