Article: A Kaprizov Exit Would Signal Minnesota Isn't A Destination For Big-Name Players

[Justin Wiggins]

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[Pewterschmidt]

We aren't ready for this conversation yet.  If 97 bails, then we'll have a full-on intervention.  It's too soon for this conversation though.  We're all a little on edge right now.

[SkolWild73]

I will remind everyone that Florida went to the cup finals in 1996, then did not make it out of the first round until 2022, which was only their 7th playoff appearance since 96. As far as I know, taxes have been the same there, so what changed that somehow they are now a destination that players want to go there and stay there?  Pretty simple to me, they started winning.  

[Justin Wiggins]

21 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I will remind everyone that Florida went to the cup finals in 1996, then did not make it out of the first round until 2022, which was only their 7th playoff appearance since 96. As far as I know, taxes have been the same there, so what changed that somehow they are now a destination that players want to go there and stay there?  Pretty simple to me, they started winning.  

I love the Florida comparison. I think it is a great playbook for Wild fans. The big difference? They had a superstar in Barkov, and then traded for another one in Tkachuck. Include Bobrovksy in net, and they put together a team that made them desirable for other players to want to be there. Superstars come first, then the wins.

[SkolWild73]

6 minutes ago, Justin Wiggins said:

I love the Florida comparison. I think it is a great playbook for Wild fans. The big difference? They had a superstar in Barkov, and then traded for another one in Tkachuck. Include Bobrovksy in net, and they put together a team that made them desirable for other players to want to be there. Superstars come first, then the wins.

True, and if Kap stays, we are pretty close to that.  Off to the woods for some hunting this weekend and will be out of service.  Would love to come back Sunday night to some sort of resolution

Edited 6 hours ago by SkolWild73

[Kato AK]

32 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I will remind everyone that Florida went to the cup finals in 1996, then did not make it out of the first round until 2022, which was only their 7th playoff appearance since 96. As far as I know, taxes have been the same there, so what changed that somehow they are now a destination that players want to go there and stay there?  Pretty simple to me, they started winning.  

The salary cap as we know it (Max and Floor) started in 2005-2006, so thats what changed. Prior to that, teams generally spent 75% of their revenue on players salaries and when a team is in a small market (florida at the time) they couldn't pay players as much.

The initial salary cap was $30.9MM with a max single contract of 20% or $7.8MM. With a 23 man roster, there wouldn't be a huge pay gap between players on a competitive roster, so players focused more on being on competitive teams than the payday. 

[Dean]

Lou Nanne had been talking this summer about how krill’s agent was a tough negotiator and was going to stick it to the wild for a pay day because he was so valuable to franchise. So if krill is holding out for more money , when is it to much? Is krill worth 18-19 mil for a franchise that can’t get talent to come here? A left winger making as much as or more than the # 1 center in league. Could the wild even build around that?  It’s hard to to see how having the highest priced player on a middling team gets us anywhere. Middle to Late round picks aren’t going to fill In the holes or buy what we need. Free agents won’t come here when the rest of the nhl  has a pocket full of cash to spend due to cap rising.  It’s starting to seem like turning down the offer has put the wild in a dammed if ya do or dammed if you don’t scenario . Lose kappy for peanuts or blow your salary cap to keep him.  If kappy leaves , it’s about winning.  If kappy stays it’s only about money. Craig running around saying he’ll spend whatever to sign kappy was a joke. Now kappy knows you’ll do anything.  Well played Craig.

i don’t see how this plays out without it being an embarrassment to the franchise. Kappy gone or kappy here with no money to fill in around him. Not great planning for future. 

[MNCountryLife]

Barkov has been in the league for 12 years and is still only 30yo.  Wow.  What a fantastic career.... and he will add to it.  Players sure do like playing with winners.. and Barkov is a winner.  He was doing well before the panthers started enticing people like Tkachuk.  But no player wins it on their own.  I hope Kirill understands that before he asks for a $17M/AAV contract.

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, Kato AK said:

The salary cap as we know it (Max and Floor) started in 2005-2006, so thats what changed. Prior to that, teams generally spent 75% of their revenue on players salaries and when a team is in a small market (florida at the time) they couldn't pay players as much.

The initial salary cap was $30.9MM with a max single contract of 20% or $7.8MM. With a 23 man roster, there wouldn't be a huge pay gap between players on a competitive roster, so players focused more on being on competitive teams than the payday. 

It was still 15 years after the cap changed before they advanced past the first round

[1Brotherbill]

6 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

I will remind everyone that Florida went to the cup finals in 1996, then did not make it out of the first round until 2022, which was only their 7th playoff appearance since 96. As far as I know, taxes have been the same there, so what changed that somehow they are now a destination that players want to go there and stay there?  Pretty simple to me, they started winning.  

You kind of answered your own question.  The Panthers have tanked or been really bad often since they joined the league.  Since 2015 they have drafted in the top 10 a lot.  If you toss in 2011 when they drafted Huberdeau who they traded to for Tkachuck they have a lot of top end talent on the roster.  In that same time frame Minnesota has drafted lower in each draft and once in the top 10 with Marcon Rossi.  Rossi is great and all but you can't compare him to Tkachuck, Barkov, Lundell, and Ekbald.  They even drafted a first round goalie in that time at number 12 and they traded him away for an elite defenseman.  Add in a organization from top to bottom that wants to win a cup and keep Tampa out of the finals and you have the reason why Florida is the destination now. 

[1Brotherbill]

Honestly if Kirill goes they should push the five year plan to a ten year plan and just tank for four years and draft the generational talents that come out every year it seems now.

The rumor is that Kirill has given names to a team he wants to go to.  If one of those teams is a team that could finish in the top 3 in the draft trade him to that team and get that pick.  Kirill, even though he is special, I doubt he makes a tangible difference in lets say Chicago or Buffalo or San Jose.  Next year sure this year not. Then as the future rolls on keep signing players like NoJo to ensure you get three or four top ten players on this team and then get rid of the GM and Coach and go from there.