Article: Kaprizov Reportedly Turns Down 8-Year Extension. Now What For the Wild?

[Citizen Strife]

The only way to know for sure if the Wild are a legit playoff team is to see them win the rounds in action.  No purpose built formula or team construction can guarantee that. 

The Wild got to the WCF once as a fluky expansion team.  The second round by gutting it out over Colorado.  Other than that, we know jack.  I would love to know what does.  Winnipeg and Hellebuyck dominate the regular season only to nearly choke to the freaking Blues.

But let me ask what they gain if they had just plain tanked instead, or do so if Kap leaves?

Ottawa, New Jersey, Detroit, Buffalo, etc.  hasn't worked for them.  The thing is there are good to great pieces of talent around the roster.  Any young pieces this year fail to impress, ok.  You can say everything Guerin tried all pretty much backfired. (Coaches, veteran trades, youth and drafting).

Kap has every right to look elsewhere, seek a shorter deal, or whatever else he wants.  The team would be far better served having Kap on the team than not.  But the team should also understand that not seeking a trade early would also be a dick move of he just wants out anyway.

Kap And Fiala's best seasons at the same time didn't move the playoff needle.  I will readily admit not knowing the answer if that didn't even work.

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Scalptrash]

17 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

I din't have rose colored glasses.  I just think anyone happy to trash a team everyday or winning internet arguments by doing so could have better things to do 

Um, you called me out by name. You don't have to reply to what I write and if you want to ignore the facts or truth, that's also your choice. Please don't drag me into your misery.

[0 Stanley Cups]

I'm still cautiously optimistic that he'll re-sign, however, since the cap is increasing another $8.5M next season that means a lot of teams have plenty of cap space if money is not the main driver and he truly wants to sign with a SC contender.  Right now, I'd be worried about him wanting to go to LA, NYR, even UTH, but I'd think the front runner would be TBL that'll have almost $28M in cap space and their core stars already locked up.

[Citizen Strife]

32 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Um, you called me out by name. You don't have to reply to what I write and if you want to ignore the facts or truth, that's also your choice. Please don't drag me into your misery.

What misery?  Being wrong about something on a board with 30-50 people in it?  Pretty strong word to use. Me being right or wrong isn't some great life changing event or something.  ODC's entire Persona was WHAT IF KAP LEAVES every single, fucking day.

I don't post everyday is if the Wild suck, always suck, will never get better, and (in some cases) trash the owner and GM like they are scum.

But go ahead and whine about people thinking your (and some other posters) woe is the team and the suck forever act isn't confusing and tiresome.

If anything, I only get annoyed at people when they act at extremes.  The team isn't the worst, and the team isn't the best either.  My "misery" as you call it is realistic optimism.  I actually..."like" being a fan of the team.  I actually "like" being here, and post like it most of the time.

No one's forcing naysayers to post like jerks.  That's their own choice.

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Citizen Strife]

Believe me, watching ODC post, Protec being endlessly annoyed that Rossi or Johansson were on the roster, and Dean doing whatever he does sounds like misery to me.  Being negative is one thing, but they take it to extremes that seem unhealthy.

It's not just Scalp, trust me.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Will D. Ness]

19 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Being negative is one thing, but they take it to extremes that seem unhealthy.

I had to pull out the block feature on this website and use it judiciously.  Sometimes I wonder if they all are the same guy.

[Scalptrash]

22 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

What misery?  Being wrong about something on a board with 30-50 people in it?  Pretty strong word to use. Me being right or wrong isn't some great life changing event or something.  ODC's entire Persona was WHAT IF KAP LEAVES every single, fucking day.

I don't post everyday is if the Wild suck, always suck, will never get better, and (in some cases) trash the owner and GM like they are scum.

But go ahead and whine about people thinking your (and some other posters) woe is the team and the suck forever act isn't confusing and tiresome.

If anything, I only get annoyed at people when they act at extremes.  The team isn't the worst, and the team isn't the best either.  My "misery" as you call it is realistic optimism.  I actually..."like" being a fan of the team.  I actually "like" being here, and post like it most of the time.

No one's forcing naysayers to post like jerks.  That's their own choice.

 

 

 

 

Obviously you're looking for a fight. Or maybe just sympathy, not sure. I am, by every definition of the word, a realist. I see what the Wild are, and always have been, a mediocre team that never changes. Hockey is my favorite sport and I am a fan of the Wild. I want the team to get BETTER, not just live on the fringes for their entire existence. Leipold is obviously more interested in steady revenue then seeking a championship. Am I wrong about that? If so, prove it. Billy was hired to make the playoffs every year, he's done that. But is that ALL you want from your team? Don't you want something better? What is the definition of insanity again? Again, I am a realist, I see what's going on (and so does Kaprizov), and I want something better. Is that awful?

[Citizen Strife]

Fine.  Fine.  You think I want to fight or something.

We ALL want the Wild to be better.  My point is posting every day as if the team is a poisonous, filthy waste of space that has no redeeming value and the owner and GM are incompetent is not my way of doing things.  Why even choose to be a fan of something just to be a dick about it or come off that way to members of its fan base? 

 

Moreso, does that mentality end of the team wins in the second round, third round,, SCF, winning it?  Does it end if the team chooses to tank?  It is still very possible someone will just say, "Who cares if they tank now, they'll pick the wrong guy anyway.  "Cause that's how they always are.". That's the extreme I loathe.  The thing is, that sort of thing can very well happen.

Instead of acting that way, I think about the positive.  I don't go looking for fights, cause it doesn't do me any good.  I just think, ok.  Bad game, Guy didn't sign a contract.  Oh well.  Off to work I guess.

My mantra the older I get is "rather than think about angry stuff, I think about something else that will make me happy instead.". That's how I choose to act on and off this site with the team and fan base.

If that comes off as weird or rude to you, or I misjudged you as one of those people then I apologize.  

 

 

[Scalptrash]

 

12 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Fine.  Fine.  You think I want to fight or something.

We ALL want the Wild to be better.  My point is posting every day as if the team is a poisonous, filthy waste of space that has no redeeming value and the owner and GM are incompetent is not my way of doing things.  Why even choose to be a fan of something just to be a dick about it or come off that way to members of its fan base? 

 

Moreso, does that mentality end of the team wins in the second round, third round,, SCF, winning it?  Does it end if the team chooses to tank?  It is still very possible someone will just say, "Who cares if they tank now, they'll pick the wrong guy anyway.  "Cause that's how they always are.". That's the extreme I loathe.  The thing is, that sort of thing can very well happen.

Instead of acting that way, I think about the positive.  I don't go looking for fights, cause it doesn't do me any good.  I just think, ok.  Bad game, Guy didn't sign a contract.  Oh well.  Off to work I guess.

My mantra the older I get is "rather than think about angry stuff, I think about something else that will make me happy instead.". That's how I choose to act on and off this site with the team and fan base.

If that comes off as weird or rude to you, or I misjudged you as one of those people then I apologize.  

 

 

And you're still calling me names, wow! I get it, you're an eternal optimist that likes to believe in fantasies. Please don't target me and call me names because you don't like my opinion of the truth. It's really ok if people aren't like you or share the same opinion, didn't anyone ever teach you that?

Edited 2 hours ago by Scalptrash

[Citizen Strife]

Geez dude.  I tried apologizing.  I said I was sorry in my last paragraph.

I stepped over a line and I'm sorry.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Scalptrash]

Just now, Citizen Strife said:

Geez dude.  I tried apologizing.  I said I was sorry in my last paragraph.

Weird apology, starting with "just to be a dick".

[Citizen Strife]

Ok.  I'm sorry I singled you out and called you a dick.

Can we please drop this?

[WildNotMild]

Something that seems to have been missed and is very important, in my opinion, is that the report says that Kaprizov and his agent met with Billy.  If he was dead set on not re-signing, there would be no reason for him to meet with Billy.  Other players in similar situations who want out, just let their agent do the “dirty” work.

My best guess is that the 16M x 8 offer reduced or eliminated the NMC in the last year or two or that maybe he wants a shorter deal in case the Wild still can’t contend after a couple more years.  
 

If he actually met with Billy to say he wants out, I don’t think Billy would be so calm and I don’t think Kaprizov and his agent would remain silent when Billy said he isn’t worried.  There would be no reason to try to hide anything as Kaprizov holds all the leverage with a full NMC.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

The owner certainly shouldn't have stated anything like, we're pretty much there.

That always seemed like something you shouldn't say until they actually have agreed to terms and you are simply waiting for them to have the contract in front of them with the pen in hand.

The speculation is tiresome, like people speculating that Rossi might just play in the Swiss league because the Wild hurt his feelings...

We'll see where it ends up when the decision is made(sign or trade). Definitely want to see Kaprizov with the Wild, but if the price would drive above $16M, one has to wonder if you couldn't deliver better results from two $8.5M players.

[raithis]

13 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

Russo confirmed it

Russo also likes to stir the pot.

There's been many instances where what he reported didn't match reality.  Recent example:  Rossi and Wild further apart than ever.  Then almost immediately after that, Rossi signs.

Edited 1 hour ago by raithis

[Burnt Toast]

7 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

Kap And Fiala's best seasons at the same time didn't move the playoff needle.  I will readily admit not knowing the answer if that didn't even work.

I think the lack of size in our D core was a problem that year during the playoffs. I’m not sure exactly what the analytics are but successful playoff teams seem to dominate the net front. That’s one reason I was glad they picked up Jiri. I’m hoping as he gets older he can add bulk and help in this regard. Charlie S also has potential to add size and strength upfront. So add a high skill scorer or develop an ELC guy to replace Fiala while addressing the team’s overall lack of size. Everyone is tired of waiting but I think some moves in this direction have begun. The whole league is going to try to copycat Florida because they are having a lot of playoff success with dominating the net front. People say they play Dump&Chase but it looks more like Dump&Crush to me. 

[raithis]

1 hour ago, WildNotMild said:

Something that seems to have been missed and is very important, in my opinion, is that the report says that Kaprizov and his agent met with Billy.  If he was dead set on not re-signing, there would be no reason for him to meet with Billy.  Other players in similar situations who want out, just let their agent do the “dirty” work.

My best guess is that the 16M x 8 offer reduced or eliminated the NMC in the last year or two or that maybe he wants a shorter deal in case the Wild still can’t contend after a couple more years.  
 

If he actually met with Billy to say he wants out, I don’t think Billy would be so calm and I don’t think Kaprizov and his agent would remain silent when Billy said he isn’t worried.  There would be no reason to try to hide anything as Kaprizov holds all the leverage with a full NMC.

Bingo.

There's a lot of speculation about what a contract rejection means and most of it just people interpreting that he doesn't want to play here or that he is greedy or something. 

The way it's being reported on is also click-bait bs, and people who have negative opinions about the team and people who worry about the bottom falling out of any progress that might be made are jumping to extremes.

If a contract was rejected, so what, it just means that Kirill has something else in mind.  As WildNotMild points out, he wouldn't be here talking things out if he wasn't interested in coming to an agreement.

To the naysayer's credit, it may well be that he wants to know he is signing on with a team he can believe in and Guerin might have to do a little convincing.  

In the end, I think Kaprizov and Guerin will find common ground.  Kaprizov's involvement seems to indicate he is willing to do that and it's kind of a repeat of the last time he signed.  The Wild wanted one thing, and it took both of them being at the same table and something got worked out in a few days.  This seems the same to me.  And the ridiculous speculation seems about the same as well unfortunately.

We may not all agree on this, but it really doesn't make sense for him to take the time to get involved if he just wants out and is that negative about the team or it's direction.  He may need some reassurance, but it sure seems like he's still interested in being there. 

One thing I think we can all wholeheartedly agree on though is that Leipold needs some quiet time in the corner.  If anyone is making this worse and less likely that Kaprizov re-signs, it's probably him.  Bring him in when Kaprizov signs, but not until then.

[MNCountryLife]

22 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

If his camp is asking for a substantial AAV increase beyond the $16M I think the Wild should move on and find a different path towards contention

I agree.  There is a point where the contract becomes Greedy.  Anything over $16M is Greedy.   You can sign 2 pretty dammed good players at $8M for that kind of money.  I have to believe that it is term... and yes, I would be okay with a 3 year deal.