Article: Kaprizov Reportedly Turns Down 8-Year Extension. Now What For the Wild?

[hydguy75]

My hunch is that it's not about the money.  It's about the Wild missing a Championship culture and mentality.  The lack of a true SC contender.  Kap's NHL clock is ticking quickly and he can't wait around 5 more years for this team to hope things improve with greenhorns and mediocre swaps.  Most teams know they can shut us down with a more physical game, and the penalties and injuries pile up, with not enough brute and depth to push back.  Siding a bit here with Scalp and Outskated, the real focus from high up tends to be financially driven, fill the seats and boxes, splash ads everywhere.  Until Kap seems real depth and team success against those challenging physical games, he knows he can hunt and fish anywhere else.  

[Burnt Toast]

52 minutes ago, Beast said:

Kaprizov deal in excess of $16M

Agree with a lot of your post. I want to see a reasonable line drawn in the sand similar to the negotiation with Marco Rossi. I know the players and situations are different but no one player is bigger than what’s best for the team. My biggest concern isn’t signing KK, but OCL caving in for reasons that are his own money driven ones. Florida has won back to back cups with 10$M tops AAV. Maybe the Wild can start a new trend, make it under $9M. suddenly Faber becomes the #1 contract. Get KK at a deal within reason or deal him with good reason. 

[Willy the poor boy]

If they really offered 8 x 16 it's not about money. It's about winning (and not competently stocking the lakes around the Twin Cities with enough Walleye). The question then becomes what is KK willing to give up to win.

 Huck mentioned 5 x 15. That ain't enough. He needs to give up more than that IMO.

[Dis-allowed display name]

Maybe this works out for Guerin in the end.  Think of how many Brazeau/Maroon/Reaves/Deslauriers like stiffs you can get with that money.  Probably leaves enough to add Victor Rask as that elusive #1 center, too.

[Patrick]

3 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Kind of wish The Athletic would have waited to validate prior to posting the Seravalli report.

You want RUSSO to validate before publishing a juicy rumor!  Lol. He is way too much of a narcissist.

 

If this ends up being true it's good for the Wild. You can't win paying a fragile 12 million dollar a year guy 16 million.  If it's true trade him ASAP because another year of 50 games and he won't get you anything.

[Burnt Toast]

7 minutes ago, Patrick said:

If this ends up being true it's good for the Wild

What do you think would be the best scenario moving forward If KK walks? I had the Wild contenting (top eight)  around 2027 assuming KK extended. If he’s gone yikes. $16M was the very highest I was hoping to go to keep KK and avoid a ten year rebuild. Christmas Day feels like it’s becoming The Grinch that Stole Christmas instead. 

[Sam]

1 hour ago, Willy the poor boy said:

 (and not competently stocking the lakes around the Twin Cities with enough Walleye).

Actually, I’ve heard that Kirill is more of a Northern Pike kind of guy. It tastes more like the fish he catches in Siberia.

Edited 10 hours ago by Sam

[1Brotherbill]

Makes sense for Kaprizov to sign for a shorter term deal.  

Makes sense for Guerin to want to sign him for a longer term deal.  

What could be happening is the possiblity that there might be some Russian collusion going on here.  Where Kaprizov says he wants a smaller dollar value if they sign someone like Panarin in the off season.  Or the conspiracy that Putin wants more money to take from Kaprizov.

Regardless if he doesn't sign by the start of the season they have to move him at the trade deadline.  Doesn't matter where the team is in the standings or how good they are.  If Kaprizov goes free agent on July 1st everyone in the league will want to make him the highest paid player in the league.  

[Sam]

6 minutes ago, 1Brotherbill said:

What could be happening is the possiblity that there might be some Russian collusion going on here.

I thought it was meddling.

[FredJohnson]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

I don’t know what kind of benefit there would be for any party to fabricate and leak that information.  Doesn’t make sense for either side.  That leads me to lean toward it being true.

It gets the core fanbase riled up, it gets corporate sponsors riled up, and it gets broadcast partners riled up. All of which gets ownership riled up. Giving this to the press (fact or fiction) generates leverage.

[FredJohnson]

17 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

Christmas Day feels like it’s becoming The Grinch that Stole Christmas instead.

We get Krampus!

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Willy the poor boy said:

If they really offered 8 x 16 it's not about money. It's about winning

More likely about the length of the contract. If he takes a shorter contract he can cash in again on his next contract when the salary cap is bigger. That would be ALL about money.

[Pewterschmidt]

If it wasn’t the agent or the Wild who else knew besides 97.  Is bill going full “find the leaker” mode while Rome burns?

[AKwildkraken]

9 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

More likely about the length of the contract. If he takes a shorter contract he can cash in again on his next contract when the salary cap is bigger. That would be ALL about money.

Unless he gets a career ending or limiting injury.  

Edited 10 hours ago by AKwildkraken

[Pewterschmidt]

11 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

If it wasn’t the agent or the Wild who else knew besides 97.  Is bill going full “find the leaker” mode while Rome burns?

bill are you fucking this up and providing real time updates

[raithis]

5 hours ago, BeanPole Harvester said:

We've all got our opinions on each contract that is on the books and that will of course vary for each of us. Dean, I am curious, as we know you are not a fan of Billy, if you were given the position to personally terminate his contract and hire his replacement, who would you choose? If you are taking a GM from another team, how do you get them over to the Wild?

He never answers these types of questions because it wouldn't be something he could complain about later.

[raithis]

Nothing like unsubstantiated negative rumors to bring out everyone who wants stir the pot.

[Mateo3xm]

6 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Kind of wish The Athletic would have waited to validate prior to posting the Seravalli report.

Russo confirmed that he did turn it down. Reiner is an idiot

[Mateo3xm]

1 hour ago, raithis said:

Nothing like unsubstantiated negative rumors to bring out everyone who wants stir the pot.

Russo confirmed it

[WildRam]

All the talk about this team not being close and him knowing he’ll never win here is a stretch. Wild were the better team against Vegas… they lost because at the end of the day Vegas had so much more talent it tickled your prostate. With the expiring contacts coming the next two seasons the base is here and we can start to make smaller adjustments / upgrades. Boldy is a star and with his size has the ability to be Kaprizov level, he’s still 24. Rossi also 24, really just needs more consistency in his game, but both are very motivated to be better (Olympics help). Hartman never found consistency except for playoffs last season. Hartman (31) has all the talent and ability, he might just need more on the line to get it up. Let’s see what Yurov and Ohgren can bring. Vlad could surprise this year and it’s only one year. If the Wild can find two solid players over the next two years and this wave of rookies has two seasons to grow, year three could have a legit chance. Firing Billy will still help this plan. 

[Patrick]

3 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

What do you think would be the best scenario moving forward If KK walks? I had the Wild contenting (top eight)  around 2027 assuming KK extended. If he’s gone yikes. $16M was the very highest I was hoping to go to keep KK and avoid a ten year rebuild. Christmas Day feels like it’s becoming The Grinch that Stole Christmas instead. 

You have to trade him and get something in return. I love watching KK and hope this is all rumors and he signs for 5 x 13 or something similarly sane. But if he walks the Wild have an attractive young team and a ton of cap space. They will be able to get some players.

[Mateo3xm]

8 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

I din't have rose colored glasses.  I just think anyone happy to trash a team everyday or winning internet arguments by doing so could have better things to do 

I don’t see it as trashing the team. He’s just being brutally honest with what he’s seeing. The truth seems to be very unpopular sometimes. A lot of people on here thought there was no way he was leaving and he may not be but I’d say this is definitely a sign in the wrong direction. When Kaprizov said the most important thing to him was winning, did you really think there was nothing to worry about?

Can you say without a shadow of a doubt that you believe this team can get out of the first round given their long history of doing the exact same thing since the team’s inception? Even if they could get out of the first round, can you say without a doubt you could see this team winning a Stanley cup with the way it’s built? I believe you have a good understanding of what a team needs to have, in order to win a cup right? Kaprizov isn’t dumb. He can see what a lot of us can see. I guess my question is, if he were to leave(hopefully not) do you think maybe it’s time this team does an actual true rebuild in order to build a true cup contender?

[Mateo3xm]

8 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

So what happens if Kap signs for 4 or 5 years?  Is the team and management good then?

Wouldn’t that depend on if they can make it out of the first round? I’m genuinely curious as to what people’s goals are for this team? Do people consider it a win if he signs but we continue to make first round exits? Shouldn’t the goal be to win a Stanley Cup in the state of hockey? I’m genuinely curious. It just seems like I have a different idea of what winning and what’s good is.

[fikifuka]

I never understood why some of you guys expected the 28 year old KK, a superstar, to just trust in Guerins 5-year plan and waste his best years in MIN instead of trying to get his money/value at a real contender and use his leverage. As KK I would tell BG: 'Hey look, Billy: Your roster is shit in the moment, with little potential to win something in the next 3 years and the cap is rising quick. And I played for cheap here since 4 years. I can offer you(!) 4 years with 15 M AAV, including NTC for the first 2 years, so you have a another 3year chance from now to convince me to your big plan, and maybe I sign a new contract then or leave. Its the max I can offer you, Billy'. 

[Pewterschmidt]

2 hours ago, fikifuka said:

I never understood why some of you guys expected the 28 year old KK, a superstar, to just trust in Guerins 5-year plan and waste his best years in MIN instead of trying to get his money/value at a real contender and use his leverage.

💣truth bomb💣

 Best case now is that he signs a 3 year deal, so he can basil at 32 during his tarasanko years with a team like FL