Article: Kaprizov Reportedly Turns Down 8-Year Extension. Now What For the Wild?

[Tony Abbott]

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[Pewterschmidt]

Wow I thought he loved us, and loved it here.  You know the hunting and the fishing etc.  

From his perspective a five year contract makes a ton of sense   Get paid top $ for 5 years, and then if we’re still the Columbus blue jackets, he can end his career with whatever organization is peaking at that time, under a raised cap cba

we will now all hope that he’s still willing to re-sign here

shit just got real

Edited 3 hours ago by Pewterschmidt

[Scalptrash]

LOL. Been saying this for months here and all I got was confusion. Billy is out of his depth as GM. Not for not being able to re-sign Kaprizov, but for every stupid mistake he's made since becoming the GM. IF Kaprizov signs, it will be 2-3 years. Probably 2 because he has a year left on his current contract. Why? Because he will know for certain by then if the Wild have any chance of ever winning a championship AND the salary cap will be much higher by then for a much larger pay day.

Everyone has reported it for years, that all he wants to do is win. This team has been mismanaged almost since it's inception. Kaprizov isn't stupid, neither is his agent.

"Christmas morning" came and went with NOTHING. "But, but, but, no one was available, they all signed with their own teams." Stupid excuses. A good GM makes moves to make the team better, whatever is necessary.

A few reasons why he isn't signing long term:

Trenin, Johansson, Tarasenko, Sturm (you can also add Rossi for the way he was mistreated). Wasted money, time, and don't improve the team. Kaprizov wants a Draisaitl, not a Tarasenko. You can also add the latest moves by signing more old, washed up players to PTO's. What kind of signal does that send to your current players? This was finally the offseason where the handcuffs were off and what did Billy do? NOTHING.

I think it's down to 30/70 now. Not signing a record breaking contract says everything about what he is thinking.

 

[Kato AK]

Kaprisov should probably tread lightly in this process. For a fan base that is used to heartbreak and misery (all MN sports), this is a good way to go from hero to villian in a hurry. Look at Tavares and Marner as good examples.

[greg]

I want him to stay.  Very badly but not if it means bowing to his demands.  He's a great player that gets hurt a lot.  He's ss fragile as they come.  Almost Byron Buxton on ice.  That's a harsh comparison I guess.  Maybe a short term deal isn't so bad for the Wild in that they won't have money tied up for so long.  It's true we need him and he knows it.  Taking advantage of the situation and turning down $128 million is not going to endear him with the fans.  They need to get a commitment from Japrisov sooner rather than later as to whether he truly wants to.play here.  He owes the Wild that.  

[Outskated]

First, Paul Theofanus is an f'in cock. Second, Leiopold should just shut his big trap already that "we're almost there", when they weren't almost there. There was no way the agent was going to let KK meet with the Wild without him being present. Their little plan to wait to 'meet in person' is a total failure at this point. They should have flown to Russia or met him in Dubai or something this summer and been pounding the pavement non-stop to get this deal done. If he doesn't want to be here, then trade him for a big haul. When you have an owner who is more committed to selling suites and clubs than building a real contending team, this is what you get.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

I'd certainly be fine with a 5 year, $75M deal. If they don't want to have an 8 year deal, I don't see that as completely concerning. I know there were Wild fans who also didn't want it to be an 8 year deal.

[mnfaninnc]

Why does it only have to be either money or term? There might be some other contract details that he's looking for. I have no idea what they are, but, that's part of a negotiation. 

I tend to think more like ST on this one. A shorter term might be what he wants. Guerin will try to get him as long as he can, and hopefully with an M-NTC on that final year. And, maybe that point is the sticking point? 

I do think he wants to stay. I do think the rookies are going to be good, good enough to build into a contender. Maybe not this year, but invest in this group and they will produce is my belief. 

As of now, we know little about the details, and have no idea what he's looking for.

[Burnt Toast]

KK and camp turns down 8 by $16M. Have to say I’m feeling pretty disappointed….. But, I’m waiting for more information as to the WHY. As others have stated it’s a distinct possibility that this is mostly about term. If this extension gets signed for a shorter term deal I’m more than fine with that. If it’s about “I can’t win here” then I wish him the best and get the biggest return possible. If his camp is asking for a substantial AAV increase beyond the $16M I think the Wild should move on and find a different path towards contention. I’m sorry if you turn down the chance to become the highest paid player in the NHL something seems off to me. 

[Citizen Strife]

Scalptrash wants a cookie.  Have a Snickers instead.

3-5 years is STILL 3-5 years. Might actually do the team a favor in this case.  If he leaves, then you can say the told you so's and have your egos stroked.

Until he actually suits up elsewhere, we know nothing.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[TCMooch]

Biggest question to me if he doesn't sign before games start is if we risk him playing and getting hurt so we can't trade him or do they look to trade him to avoid another Marian Gaborik situation?

Kap has had like 1 healthy season in his NHL career were he didnt miss a stretch of games?

[Scalptrash]

24 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Scalptrash wants a cookie.  Have a Snickers instead.

3-5 years is STILL 3-5 years. Might actually do the team a favor in this case.  If he leaves, then you can say the told you so's and have your egos stroked.

Until he actually suits up elsewhere, we know nothing.

 

 

Take off the rose colored glasses and see what's really going on with this team and it's management. Obviously Kaprizov did.

[B1GKappa97]

NO! GOD!! PLEASE GOD NO! 

NO!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Citizen Strife]

I din't have rose colored glasses.  I just think anyone happy to trash a team everyday or winning internet arguments by doing so could have better things to do 

[Dango]

People say no good free agents want to come here but the NHL.s  pool of really good players isnt really that big and  the  last maybe 3 years most high rated Free agents were older 35-40s  and wouldnt have really fit our timeline anyways which would put them near 40 .  I look at it like the clock starts ticking now .

[SkolWild73]

29 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Take off the rose colored glasses and see what's really going on with this team and it's management. Obviously Kaprizov did.

So what happens if Kap signs for 4 or 5 years?  Is the team and management good then?

[BeanPole Harvester]

Here's a link to an artcle disputing the validity of the Seravalli report...

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/kaprizov_turns_down_record_breaking_offer_from_wild/s1_16454_42717373

[TCMooch]

3 minutes ago, BeanPole Harvester said:

Here's a link to an artcle disputing the validity of the Seravalli report...

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/kaprizov_turns_down_record_breaking_offer_from_wild/s1_16454_42717373

Nope sorry, the world is burning and we are doomed as a franchise forever.

[Dean]

Both sides are negotiating through the media so who knows where this goes . If kappy signs does that mean the team and management is good? Hell no. Maybe for fan boys. Getting past second round would be. No salary cap guy , nothing that even resembles an ahl team or development program. Bullying everyday workers , bad contracts with terrible clauses , never any cap space for call ups , no depth and for gods sake no # 1 center in 6  years of Billy . Spent 6 years letting  Fred g embarrass himself as a # 1 or 2 center in playoffs instead of selling and getting better draft picks to use now to buy what we need after buy outs. Instead we got a broken winger that needed convincing to come here.  Once kappy signs if he does his over priced contract is going to make it even harder for Billy to surround him. We have to overpay to get people to stay or come because we have no winning culture players want to be a part of.  After 25 years of watching this teams incompetence I’m going to keep complaining until they get some leadership in management to build a winning culture that competes for a cup annually.  Just saying things like Billy and Craig do doesn’t make it true. What is true is the crap they put in the ice can’t win playoff games. 

[BeanPole Harvester]

9 minutes ago, Dean said:

Both sides are negotiating through the media so who knows where this goes . If kappy signs does that mean the team and management is good? Hell no. Maybe for fan boys. Getting past second round would be. No salary cap guy , nothing that even resembles an ahl team or development program. Bullying everyday workers , bad contracts with terrible clauses , never any cap space for call ups , no depth and for gods sake no # 1 center in 6  years of Billy . Spent 6 years letting  Fred g embarrass himself as a # 1 or 2 center in playoffs instead of selling and getting better draft picks to use now to buy what we need after buy outs. Instead we got a broken winger that needed convincing to come here.  Once kappy signs if he does his over priced contract is going to make it even harder for Billy to surround him. We have to overpay to get people to stay or come because we have no winning culture players want to be a part of.  After 25 years of watching this teams incompetence I’m going to keep complaining until they get some leadership in management to build a winning culture that competes for a cup annually.  Just saying things like Billy and Craig do doesn’t make it true. What is true is the crap they put in the ice can’t win playoff games. 

We've all got our opinions on each contract that is on the books and that will of course vary for each of us. Dean, I am curious, as we know you are not a fan of Billy, if you were given the position to personally terminate his contract and hire his replacement, who would you choose? If you are taking a GM from another team, how do you get them over to the Wild?

[Beast]

I don’t know what kind of benefit there would be for any party to fabricate and leak that information.  Doesn’t make sense for either side.  That leads me to lean toward it being true.

If true, there’s only two possibilities.  He wants shorter term/more money with the salary cap increasing, or he doesn’t want to be here at all and wants to hit free agency.  I lean towards the former, but it certainly could be the latter.  If I were a world class hockey player with no ties to Minnesota, I wouldn’t want to be here either.  The City is a dump, the tax environment is robbery (nearly 10% individual in the top bracket vs. 0% in some other places), the team has never been and is not currently even close to winning a cup, and despite being the self-anointed “state of hockey,” there are now elite training facilities in much more desirable location.

We’ll see what happens.  Who knows what’s true.  If he turned down 8 and $16m….good.  He’s a really good player, but he’s played less than 75% of the games over the last 3 years.  He hasn’t been a prolific playoff scorer, at about .8 per game (McDavid is 1.56, Draisaitl, 1.47, Mackinnon, 1.32, Rantanen 1.24, Kucherov .13, Makar 1.08, etc, ).  He scores less per game in the playoffs than Landeskog, Aho, Sheifele, Guentzel, and a number of other guys you wouldn’t dream of giving $16/m per year to.  He’s a career -6 in the playoffs, with every year being a minus except for 2022 (+1).  These are during his prime years.  I can’t imagine it’s going to be much better into his mid 30s.

As much as I like watching him play, I’m not convinced he’s the guy that will lead the Wild to a Cup.  Especially not if they’re paying him 20% of the cap.  He’s now had 4 playoff entries, with 2 of them being abysmal in terms of point production for a “star” player, and his team have only even pushed an opening series to a game 7 once.

As painful as it would be, I think trading him for a haul is the best thing for the franchise long-term.  They’re not winning anything anytime soon, and they’ll just re-enter cap hell with a Kaprizov deal in excess of $16M.  Carolina just got 2 1s and 2 3s for Rantanen, then Dallas had to sign him to $12m per year. I can sacrifice watching Kaprizov score a few fancy goals for a real chance at competing for a Cup in my lifetime, even if it’s 4-5 years from now (they’re likely not competing for one between now and then anyway with this FO).

[Imyourhuckleberry]

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Meanwhile, Rob Reinhart writes: “Kirill Kaprizov’s camp did NOT turn down an extension offer for 8-years, $128 million in a meeting with the Wild on Tuesday, per multiple sources. I’m told negotiations are ongoing and that no monetary value has been presented nor has Kaprizov or his camp met with the Wild about a future contract. A source told me that the, “story is completely fabricated…a fairytale.”

Kind of wish The Athletic would have waited to validate prior to posting the Seravalli report.

[FredJohnson]

Send him to Nashville.

[Tony Abbott]

Kaprizov turned down zero $128 million contracts before Marco Rossi signed. Maybe Old Dutch Chip was right.

[Citizen Strife]

The team has until March.  The words "re-signed" or "traded" are all that matters.  Anything else is noise.