Article: Where Is the Marco Rossi Offer Sheet?

[goenzoy]

51 minutes ago, Kato AK said:

The sharks took Celebrini #1 in 2024?

Thanks completely forgot Celebrini

Pacific division is so difficult to watch from Europe

[Burnt Toast]

My guess is most of the hold up with a new contract is Rossi’s agent looking for top dollar (buyouts pretty much done) and the Wild thinking Rossi’s upside isn’t too high. It didn’t take long for the Wild to lock up Boldy and Faber to reasonable long term contracts. I expected more league wide interest in Rossi. I mean there’s a shortage of players available for pick up. Recently there was a lot of talk about the Wild being too generous with their resignings. I’m ok with the pendulum swinging back a little towards cap/fiscal budget tightening. 

[bisopher]

When Kaprizov signs his deal, everyone (Billy G, Rossi and his agent, and the rest of the NHL) will have a much more accurate estimate of the max. Rossi could get.  Until then, it's all just noise.

[1Brotherbill]

This Rossi story has kept the summer interesting at least.  Let's break it down a bit.

The Wild sent Rossi a qualifying offer.  Which is a one year deal to retain the rights of Rossi, that offer is based on his previous salary plus a certain percentage.  So, since I have never seen an exact number it might be as high as 2.5 million.  This offer allows the Wild to work on a contract with Rossi.  It also allows Rossi to look for an offer sheet from another club. 

Guerin said he would match any offer that another team put in on Rossi.  He also has said he will not pay Rossi "Boldy" Money.  So, that would imply that he would sign Rossi up to a 7.020 million dollar contract.  Why is that you ask?  See below. 

Compensatory picks are based on salary that a RFA signs.  A contract offered between 4.680 and 7.020 million a year would require a 1st and a 3rd as compensatory picks returned to the Wild.  Since Guerin has said that he will match any offer and not pay Rossi over Boldy, this tier is out.  That brings in the next tier.  7.020 to 9.360 would require a 1st, 2nd, 3rd as compensation picks.  So, this is the only tier that Rossi would go into if someone was going to sign him.  Only 14 teams can give the Wild picks in this tier.  Of those teams Nashville, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago, Calgary and Anaheim are the only teams with money to sign Rossi to over 7 million a year.  Detroit and Pittsburgh have full rosters at this point so they would have to get rid of a player to sign Rossi.  Anaheim probably is good with what they got and I doubt Quinnville would like Rossi.  Chicago is a mess and they are chaotic, it is possible that they could sign Rossi and also trade Bedard for Rossi as well.  It is hard to say what Chicago is thinking.  They look like the want to build from within, however.  That leaves Calgary and the GM has stated a number of times that they want to build from within.  

So, the 5 by 5 contract that Rossi turned down in the middle of the season that was reported, looks pretty good right now for the Rossi camp.  Being that he will probably play this year for half of that value.  

If he doesn't get a contract by December 1st Rossi can't play in the NHL this year and the circus starts over again next summer because Rossi is an RFA until the summer of 2029.  So, if we are all tired of this by now it is just going to keep going unless he decides to play for what the Wild want. 

[1Brotherbill]

9 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I’m still betting that Rossi gets an offer sheet.  There’s a GM out there who’ll roll the dice on Rossi @$7M

Only 6 can and 2 of those have full active rosters.  That is if the value is over 7.02 a year. 

[1Brotherbill]

Let's say Rossi doesn't sign and holds out.  And on December 1st he doesn't have a contract.  That means he doesn't play this year in the NHL.  That also means that the Wild have around 10 million in Cap space.  New York is looking to get younger and cheaper.  That would be a good place to trade someone like Spurgeon and get Artemi Panarin to fly with Kirill and Ek.  

I know everyone is going to say you can't trade Spurgeon. Yes you totally can and you might not even notice him being gone.  The system is full of NHL level defenseman why not use them. 

[Pablo]

As an RFA, Rossi’s camp overplayed their hand. His topend market hasn't developed yet. He should bet on himself and sign a one yr deal thats Billy G friendly and then overperform it. 10 months from now, he will get plenty of payday offers. 

[Pewterschmidt]

17 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

The Sharks also don't have the picks to offer anything over $5M.

A serious offer sheet for Rossi would have to be Tier 4. If they are red, they can't do it.

Make it happen Anaheim.  

[MrCheatachu]

12 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

Let's say Rossi doesn't sign and holds out.  And on December 1st he doesn't have a contract.  That means he doesn't play this year in the NHL.  That also means that the Wild have around 10 million in Cap space.  New York is looking to get younger and cheaper.  That would be a good place to trade someone like Spurgeon and get Artemi Panarin to fly with Kirill and Ek.  

I know everyone is going to say you can't trade Spurgeon. Yes you totally can and you might not even notice him being gone.  The system is full of NHL level defenseman why not use them. 

Younger and cheaper, then immediately propose a trade that sends a 35 year old Spurgeon with 2 years left in his contract to them for a 33 year old Breadman who's expiring this year?

[mnfaninnc]

22 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I’m still betting that Rossi gets an offer sheet.  There’s a GM out there who’ll roll the dice on Rossi @$7M

P-Scout, you do not offersheet someone to "roll the dice" on them. You only offersheet someone you really want and know they fit. "Rolling the dice" is for signing free agents, not offersheets. 

Plus, a $7m offersheet will be matched. A $7.03m offersheet probably isn't.

[mnfaninnc]

22 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

Maybe, just maybe, Rossi is the "good, but not great player Guerin thinks he is and other GMs thought the same thing.  Otherwise, things would have gotten done long ago.  Rossi's camp gets squat the longer this drags on.

This could very well be, and perhaps Guerin is afraid of the risk that Rossi will plateau. However, I think Guerin wants to see the new and improved player from a serious bit of offseason bulking before his offer goes up. If he sees it, I think he'll up his offer. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

13 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

So, the 5 by 5 contract that Rossi turned down in the middle of the season that was reported, looks pretty good right now for the Rossi camp.  Being that he will probably play this year for half of that value.  

Rossi is working on getting better on the ice. His agent is working on getting a better sense of the market. After Kaprizov signs, and Rossi is back around the Wild, I imagine his team has a meeting with Guerin where they work out a deal around 4 years and $5.5M - $6.25M.

I believe he will get a better deal than the 5x5, but it will not be $7M, and the offer sheets aren't going to happen for the reasons that have been apparent for months. When they are getting ready for training camp and Kaprizov has his extension, the Wild and Rossi's camp will get serious about his future.

[mnfaninnc]

23 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

After Kaprizov signs, and Rossi is back around the Wild, I imagine his team has a meeting with Guerin where they work out a deal around 4 years and $5.5M - $6.25M.

I see the numbers here, but what makes you think that Guerin will move off of his $5m figure to $6.25m when Rossi has no leverage? I could see Rossi coming into camp larger and with a chip on his shoulder, but if things are constant like the season ended, it seems to me that the agent comes off further than the GM (meaning more like 4 x $5.5m). 

I do believe that if he comes in bulked up, with a chip on his shoulder and ready to go, Guerin will pay, but it depends on this. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

I have a weird feeling Rossi will sign for 2x4.5 and then immediately be traded to Pitt for Rakell or Det for Danielson. Rossi has no leverage and I don’t think the Wild will give him more than 2 yrs now and willl be less than $5mm.  Rossi’s agent messed up.  Billy has played this well. 

[MrCheatachu]

15 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I have a weird feeling Rossi will sign for 2x4.5 and then immediately be traded to Pitt for Rakell or Det for Danielson. Rossi has no leverage and I don’t think the Wild will give him more than 2 yrs now and willl be less than $5mm.  Rossi’s agent messed up.  Billy has played this well. 

I don't think he signs the 2x$4.5.  His camp has repeatedly stated that they feel if they sign a team friendly deal that it will make him EASIER for Guerin to move.  Besides, at the end of 2 years, he'd still be an RFA but eligible for arbitration where the Qualifying Offer is a 100% of his salary.  

As you cant offer movement protection, Rossi's side seems to be convinced the only way they get any sort of movement protection is signing a contract that is too lopsided towards the player that other teams will be scared away and/or not offer a decent return for the player.

We're stuck at a loggerhead here, and it'll be interesting to see who blinks first.  SillyG has gone on record a number of times being willing to offer players 'fair' deals which we as fans see as overpayments (Moose, Zucc, Hartzy...) so going out of his way to screw Rossi is just...odd.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

12 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

SillyG has gone on record a number of times being willing to offer players 'fair' deals which we as fans see as overpayments (Moose, Zucc, Hartzy...) so going out of his way to screw Rossi is just...odd.

I wouldn't say Guerin is going out of his way. He's enjoying his summer waiting for the Rossi camp to come down from their $7M dream. You cannot negotiate with only 1 person at the table.

A $5M deal would make Rossi the 4th highest paid forward on the Wild. I'm guessing the Wild will be willing to go higher than Eriksson Ek's deal that was signed several years ago at $5.25, making him the 3rd highest paid forward on the Wild, but I don't think they'll go near the Boldy $7M.

When Rossi's camp recognizes that something close to $7M isn't in the discussion, Guerin likely will negotiate a fair deal.

[mnhockeyfan03]

19 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

I don't think he signs the 2x$4.5.  His camp has repeatedly stated that they feel if they sign a team friendly deal that it will make him EASIER for Guerin to move.  Besides, at the end of 2 years, he'd still be an RFA but eligible for arbitration where the Qualifying Offer is a 100% of his salary.  

As you cant offer movement protection, Rossi's side seems to be convinced the only way they get any sort of movement protection is signing a contract that is too lopsided towards the player that other teams will be scared away and/or not offer a decent return for the player.

We're stuck at a loggerhead here, and it'll be interesting to see who blinks first.  SillyG has gone on record a number of times being willing to offer players 'fair' deals which we as fans see as overpayments (Moose, Zucc, Hartzy...) so going out of his way to screw Rossi is just...odd.

I understand Rossi may not want to sign it but don’t think he has a choice.  Holding out isn’t an option.  It only hurts Rossi. The Wild will be fine without him.  Billy I don’t think is trying to screw him.  I think what he is offering is fair and a prove it deal.  If Rossi doesn’t trust or want to be in MN then try to figure out a sign and trade that works for both sides. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

I see the numbers here, but what makes you think that Guerin will move off of his $5m figure to $6.25m when Rossi has no leverage?

I think he'll move off the initial numbers because they were a early point of negotiations, but if the only counter offer is $7M, then it's a non-discussion. If the agent tries to get in the range Guerin might consider, things could change.

[WildNotMild]

2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

P-Scout, you do not offersheet someone to "roll the dice" on them. You only offersheet someone you really want and know they fit. "Rolling the dice" is for signing free agents, not offersheets. 

Plus, a $7m offersheet will be matched. A $7.03m offersheet probably isn't.

I think you are also wrong.  Rolling the dice isn’t for signing free agents either.  Free agent signings should be players the team really wants and know they fit as well.

[raithis]

22 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

2) Kaprizov hasn't re-signed yet. Even though the Wild have ample cap space for Rossi, even if/when Kaprizov re-signs, there is a number that Billy doesn't want to exceed for Rossi. Depending on Kaprizov's new contract, $7M/yr. is probably a lot more than he wants to spend on Rossi. It will make things a lot tighter next year.

Regarding the last sentence of #2.  I don't think it will make things all that tight.

Assuming Kaprizov signs for something like $15M, the Wild have Zuccarello, Tarasenko, Johansson, Bogosian, Jiricek, and Gustavsson all on expiring contracts.  Jiricek and Gustavsson would likely get raises, but none of the other guys likely would - unless Tarasenko has a crazy year.  And no matter what, I doubt the team keeps ALL of them.  

The only reason it would be an.issue is if we plan to sign some big-time free agent next year, though that probably would mean that Spurgeon would be traded out for draft pick(s).  In all likelihood though, the free agent pool will be much like it was this year, and the better free agents that are available will have specific destinations in mind.  The rising cap means teams will generally continue to keep the players they want to keep rather than having to part ways with players they'd rather hold on to, and the bigger names will likely only be leaving because they have a specific destination in mind.

 

[mnfaninnc]

39 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

I think you are also wrong.  Rolling the dice isn’t for signing free agents either.  Free agent signings should be players the team really wants and know they fit as well.

Let me clarify, free agents at the end of the period that are left over. I didn't mean the 1st week, you're absolutely right there.

[Scalptrash]

1 hour ago, raithis said:

Regarding the last sentence of #2.  I don't think it will make things all that tight.

Assuming Kaprizov signs for something like $15M, the Wild have Zuccarello, Tarasenko, Johansson, Bogosian, Jiricek, and Gustavsson all on expiring contracts.  Jiricek and Gustavsson would likely get raises, but none of the other guys likely would - unless Tarasenko has a crazy year.  And no matter what, I doubt the team keeps ALL of them.  

The only reason it would be an.issue is if we plan to sign some big-time free agent next year, though that probably would mean that Spurgeon would be traded out for draft pick(s).  In all likelihood though, the free agent pool will be much like it was this year, and the better free agents that are available will have specific destinations in mind.  The rising cap means teams will generally continue to keep the players they want to keep rather than having to part ways with players they'd rather hold on to, and the bigger names will likely only be leaving because they have a specific destination in mind.

 

Actually very tight. Quick, rough math, if they were to sign Rossi for $7M. They would have around $5-6M in cap space for next season, and that's after the increase to $104M next year. Not enough if you want to improve this team's skill level and depth. They need about $1M just to operate, that would leave $5M for upgrades. That's half of what they have now and by next season, that won't get a top six forward. There will be no Christmas Morning any time soon for the Wild w/o a blockbuster trade.

They still need a 1C or 2C (if Rossi isn't that guy), at least one top six wing (Tarasenko's replacement). They should trade Spurgeon, if possible, and promote Lambos, IMO.

Kaprizov 15

Boldy 7

Ek 5.3

Tarasenko replacement 4+

Zuccarello 2? (team friendly one year, replacement will cost more)

Foligno 4

Hartman 4

Trenin 3.5

Sturm 2 

Yurov 1

Ohgren 1

Johansson replacement ??

Rossi 7

Faber 8.5

Spurgeon 7.6

Brodin 6

Middleton 4.4

Bogosian replacement 2+

Buium 1

Jiricek 2+

Kiersted .75

Gustavsson 7

Wallstedt 2.2

Buyouts 1.6

________________

Total $98.85M

26-27 Cap $104M

 

 

[SkolWild73]

16 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Actually very tight. Quick, rough math, if they were to sign Rossi for $7M. They would have around $5-6M in cap space for next season, and that's after the increase to $104M next year. Not enough if you want to improve this team's skill level and depth. They need about $1M just to operate, that would leave $5M for upgrades. That's half of what they have now and by next season, that won't get a top six forward. There will be no Christmas Morning any time soon for the Wild w/o a blockbuster trade.

They still need a 1C or 2C (if Rossi isn't that guy), at least one top six wing (Tarasenko's replacement). They should trade Spurgeon, if possible, and promote Lambos, IMO.

Kaprizov 15

Boldy 7

Ek 5.3

Tarasenko replacement 4+

Zuccarello 2? (team friendly one year, replacement will cost more)

Foligno 4

Hartman 4

Trenin 3.5

Sturm 2 

Yurov 1

Ohgren 1

Johansson replacement ??

Rossi 7

Faber 8.5

Spurgeon 7.6

Brodin 6

Middleton 4.4

Bogosian replacement 2+

Buium 1

Jiricek 2+

Kiersted .75

Gustavsson 7

Wallstedt 2.2

Buyouts 1.6

________________

Total $98.85M

26-27 Cap $104M

 

 

I was looking at this the other day and we have some options.  

Space available next year: $44,380,186.  Currently 8 forwards, 6 D and 1 goalie under contract.  Say, 29M for Rossi, Kap and Gus (I think that is the high side), leaves around $15M left for 3 forwards and 1D.  

I am gonna assume Jiricek will be the D-man making $2M max (unless he dominates this year and is playing top 4 minutes), leaves $13M left for final three forwards.  If two of those come from Iowa, or one and Zucc on a cheap team friendly $2M deal, we could still have $10M to play with for the last forward spot.

Lots of ifs, but possible.

[raithis]

37 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I was looking at this the other day and we have some options.  

Space available next year: $44,380,186.  Currently 8 forwards, 6 D and 1 goalie under contract.  Say, 29M for Rossi, Kap and Gus (I think that is the high side), leaves around $15M left for 3 forwards and 1D.  

I am gonna assume Jiricek will be the D-man making $2M max (unless he dominates this year and is playing top 4 minutes), leaves $13M left for final three forwards.  If two of those come from Iowa, or one and Zucc on a cheap team friendly $2M deal, we could still have $10M to play with for the last forward spot.

Lots of ifs, but possible.

Exactly. 

Again, worst case scenario it means they trade out Spurgeon for the final year of his contract and/or part ways with someone like Hartman/Trenin to open up space if there is someone much better who is available.  If one of more of players like Lambos, Spacek, Haight, or Bankier are able to make the team in 2026-27, then it's much less of an issue yet.  There are options, and with so many options, it means it's not that tight.  They can't be frivolous, but it's not like their backs are up against a wall.

[ArizonaWildFan]

5 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

when Rossi has no leverage?

I don't disagree with anyone who makes this statement. But, hypothetically, Rossi holds out, doesn't show up for camp, and doesn't play this season. Who do the Wild have waiting in the wings to replace his production? Who's left out there for RFA's, UFA's, or potential trades that can replace his production? Are the Wild a better team and will they win more games without Rossi in the lineup? I don't think so and that is the leverage that Rossi has.

Everyone seems to want to make this a money thing and in my opinion it's not. It's personal. Guerin has been taking huge craps on Marco for a couple years and Rossi is saying enough's enough. He's a tough little bastard that 31 other GM's would probably love to have under contract.

I would be fine if he sat out the season in Austria and Switzerland and watched the Wild try to backfill with Trenin or some other overpaid, underproducing 3rd or 4th liner and not make the playoffs. It might lead to the end of the Guerin regime which would be great and the ultimate payback.