Article: Will Marco Rossi Sit Out of Wild Training Camp?

[goenzoy]

3 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

He can, but the Wild would still hold his rights.  It would be career suicide I believe.

One year would not do anything 

Switzerland will host world championship in 2026 . Italy Olympics 

So also a lot of the best NHL er will be in Europe during upcoming season 

But in general any unclear situation after first day of training camp is bad for the player 

[SkolWild73]

2 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

One year would not do anything

You don't think sitting out a year would be bad for him?

[goenzoy]

3 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

much destroying his NHL career

You dont destroy your NHL career by playing one year in Europe 

Also Matthews played one year for ZSC Lions the same club Rossi did play 

[goenzoy]

2 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

You don't think sitting out a year would be bad for him?

It is bad but not career destroying 

Rossi is just 23 . Wild play a 38 year winger smaller then him called Zucc 

[SkolWild73]

5 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

You dont destroy your NHL career by playing one year in Europe 

Also Matthews played one year for ZSC Lions the same club Rossi did play 

Matthews played for them when he was 18 before he was drafted.  Completely different than not signing a contract with your NHL team and deciding to not play in the NHL for a year.  

[mnfaninnc]

Just now, goenzoy said:

You dont destroy your NHL career by playing one year in Europe 

Also Matthews played one year for ZSC Lions the same club Rossi did play

Matthews played there in his draft year, so that's a little disingenuous. 

So, Rossi plays there 1 year, then what? He's Wild property until he's 27. Do you think his contract will get better playing a year in Switzerland? Spoiler alert: no, the offer will go down.

[SkolWild73]

5 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

It is bad but not career destroying 

Rossi is just 23 . Wild play a 38 year winger smaller then him called Zucc 

I am not sure what Zuccarello playing at 38 has anything to do with Rossi playing a year in Europe.

[SkolWild73]

Just now, mnfaninnc said:

Matthews played there in his draft year, so that's a little disingenuous. 

So, Rossi plays there 1 year, then what? He's Wild property until he's 27. Do you think his contract will get better playing a year in Switzerland? Spoiler alert: no, the offer will go down.

Exactly

[goenzoy]

2 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Matthews played for them when he was 18 before he was drafted.  Completely different than not signing a contract with your NHL team and deciding to not play in the NHL for a year.

It is different but not totally different . Rossi would be not the first player with a contract dispute 

[SkolWild73]

1 minute ago, goenzoy said:

It is different but not totally different . Rossi would be not the first player with a contract dispute 

It is completely different.  I do not know of any decent RFA's that have sat out a year.

[goenzoy]

4 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

So, Rossi plays there 1 year, then what? He's Wild property until he's 27. Do you think his contract will get better playing a year in Switzerland? Spoiler alert: no, the offer will go down.

Not suggesting that Rossi should use this option but contracts later one depend on his performance and not  on his year in Switzerland 

[goenzoy]

1 minute ago, SkolWild73 said:

It is completely different.  I do not know of any decent RFA's that have sat out a year.

I also dont think it will happen with Rossi 

They will agree at some point for something between 4.7 to 5.1 mil 

Just the question when it will be signed and if for 1 or 2 years 

[goenzoy]

10 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I am not sure what Zuccarello playing at 38 has anything to do with Rossi playing a year in Europe.

Nothing the article is about if Rossi will sit out Wild training camp 

My answer to it was NO 

[goenzoy]

11 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Rossi playing a year in Europe.

The bit about Europe was because too many think that Rossi will sign ANY contract BG will offer because he has no choice and again the answer is NO

[Imyourhuckleberry]

13 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Not suggesting that Rossi should use this option but contracts later one depend on his performance and not  on his year in Switzerland 

His performance in Switzerland would have almost zero bearing. I'm sure he would play very well there, and then the question would be whether he could do it in the NHL--at best, his contract would be equal to what's being offered now.

His contract for that would pay him at least $3M less, so he would give up most of the money he's trying to get from the Wild in order to get further away from proving he deserves a larger NHL contract.

It wouldn't be career suicide, but it would be a terrible financial decision to play anywhere outside of the NHL in years that players are capable of being a good NHL players.  The money in the NHL is roughly 5-10x more than the next closest league currently.

Giving up a few million dollars in a 2025 contract in order to attempt to make a few million more in later years would be horrific in financial terms and his agent will not let that happen since his agent is paid based upon what Rossi makes, and a decision that terrible could negatively impact the future of that agent's credibility with other NHL prospects/players.

[Scalptrash]

21 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

You keep pushing a narrative that says Guerin is on a hot seat. He just completed a run of 4/5 playoff years with a significant cap penalty. I would suggest that this narrative is way off base and that the owner, his boss, is very happy with the job he has done. As fans, we may not like not having a contender for this season, but his boss is happy. 

Do you have evidence that says that Guerin's seat is hot and he's in trouble?

Why do I need evidence? The shackles are off, if they don't make the second round this coming season he SHOULD be fired. Do you think Leipold is going to say that publicly? He has been given more rope than any GM in Wild history and Leipold won't limit his income indefinitely. Ultimately, though, Leipold is the problem. He keeps hiring the wrong people who keep making poor decisions. The history of the franchise isn't very storied, it's more like a soap opera. Perpetually stuck in mediocrity. Right where Minnesota fans like their teams to be.

 

[Tony Abbott]

Playing in Europe is probably not going to happen. I don't think it's a career-destroyer, but it carries more injury risk than it's worth. If he's not making it to training camp, his job becomes staying healthy and ready for wherever he lands.

[mnfaninnc]

In terms of leverage that Rossi has, he is trying to play chicken while driving a Fiat while Guerin is bearing down on him in an F-350. Which guy do you think swerves 1st? 

I don't think Guerin is trying to be mean, or stick his foot on Rossi's throat. He simply doesn't see him worth what some others around here seem to think he's worth. Guerin's opinion is based heavily upon the eye test, not the stat board. Comparables mean nothing at this point because there is no need for comparables. Also, 5 x $5m is the contract that Guerin thinks Rossi grows into, not how he sees him now. Guerin thinks his value at this current time is <$5m. So, a short term bridge deal comes in lower than $5m, and not by just a little bit. 

I do believe this would have gone differently if Rossi would have had a 2nd 60+ pt. season. I think the biggest issue right now is that in the 2 years Rossi has been in the league, he has started out strong but finished pretty weak. That's why the 3rd year is so important. I will suggest that if Rossi finishes the season weak again, we will have a pattern, and he will not be paid on the full season of production (and likely traded). In his corner, however, is a very long Olympic break which might be enough for him to recharge his batteries and finish strong.

[mnfaninnc]

3 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Why do I need evidence? The shackles are off, if they don't make the second round this coming season he SHOULD be fired.

This pretty much just says it all on the subject. On the national boards, there is no suggestion that Guerin's seat is even warm. 

But, to be fair, I have strong opinions too with no evidence so you're entitled to that viewpoint. We'll just have to disagree on that. 

I would suggest that inserting 5-6 rookies into a lineup probably gives you a mulligan. To get to contender stage, this has to happen and they need experience. Most of them come into their own by the 3rd year. I still think we're good enough to compete, but outside of that, this is an experience growing year.

[goenzoy]

23 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

The money in the NHL is roughly 5-10x more than the next closest league currently.

No it is not .Also in Switzerland salaries are decent .The 5 times might be correct but certainly not the 10x. But it's not only about money 

[goenzoy]

29 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

agent will not let that happen since his agent is paid based upon what Rossi makes

Well the agent is important but I don't think Rossi or most players will base their decision on it.Rossi wants to be better next season 

Anything else inclusive pay cheque is of 2nd importance

[Scalptrash]

7 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Also, 5 x $5m is the contract that Guerin thinks Rossi grows into, not how he sees him now. Guerin thinks his value at this current time is <$5m. So, a short term bridge deal comes in lower than $5m, and not by just a little bit.

You speak in a lot of certainties with no evidence either. You have no clue what Billy or Marco are thinking or doing, you're only speculating (as everyone here does).

However, Rossi is almost exactly at the same point as Boldy when he was given a $7Mx7 contract, and that was two years ago (so not today's dollars).

Boldy's first two seasons: 39pts. & 63 pts.

Rossi's first two seasons: 40pts. & 60pts.

Comparable signings this off season more than justify $6.5-7M/season (facts). For whatever reason, Billy just doesn't respect him (probably size, because he's not a clone of himself).

[Scalptrash]

17 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I would suggest that inserting 5-6 rookies into a lineup probably gives you a mulligan. To get to contender stage, this has to happen and they need experience. Most of them come into their own by the 3rd year. I still think we're good enough to compete, but outside of that, this is an experience growing year.

So perpetual mediocrity is what you advocate? The time to insert 5-6 rookies into the lineup and hope for the best was over the last four years. There was never a better time and now that time was wasted. Those prospects could have been developed into NHL regulars and the Wild could be starting a real run at something special this year. Instead, they're still in the starting blocks.....waiting. How many years is this five year plan?? The only truth is that everyone is four years closer to retirement with nothing to show for it.

Billy had years to prepare for this season. He made the decisions that penalized the team, that solely rests on his shoulders. Who knows if that was the right decision? They've gotten no better and no worse since then, but he's kept butts in seats. Yawn.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

45 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

No it is not .Also in Switzerland salaries are decent .The 5 times might be correct but certainly not the 10x. But it's not only about money 

I was having trouble finding current ranges, but I did find that the highest paid hockey player in the Swiss league is $2.418 million in 2025, which is roughly $2M less than Rossi could play for with the Wild on a 1 year deal, and less than 20% of the top NHL contract.  Even if Rossi set a new record for that league, it would be around half of what he could get from the Wild.

If it's not about money, why hasn't he signed with the Wild instead of holding out for more money???

The Wild want him and have offered him far more money than the Swiss league could offer, but he hasn't signed because it's not enough money.  He could get more ice time in Switzerland, but he's not going to get more money.  I'm struggling to find the logic of your position.  Russo has even said Rossi doesn't want to be traded from the Wild, so how could it not be about money?

[Tony Abbott]

The leverage for Rossi is that this team isn't good enough to make the playoffs without him being a top-six center. It's very unlikely that Yurov is going to be ready out the gate to handle that role. Guys like Kuznetsov, Marchenko, and Buchnevich took time to reach their final form in North America. 

JEEK/Hartman/Sturm and ??? aren't going to get it done.