Article: Will Marco Rossi Sit Out of Wild Training Camp?

[Thomas Williams]

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[Citizen Strife]

That only hurts Rossi.  He isn't a Kap level player to justify waiting this out.  It basically gift wraps his spot to Yurov, who can play with better players immediately.  That only makes Rossi look worse if Yurov plays well enough out the gate.

Guerin then can trade Rossi or let him rot at home for nothing.

Edited August 13 by Citizen Strife

[Pewterschmidt]

Prediction: Rossi does get an offer sheet prior to season start.  League GM's wait for bill to shoot his shot on 97.  Once they know how much he has left to spend they calibrate their offer sheet.  Verdict: It's the lowest tier, which bill begrudgingly matches. 

[goenzoy]

19 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

It basically gift wraps his spot to Yurov, who can play with better players immediately.  That only makes Rossi look worse if Yurov plays well enough out the gate.

Sitting it out is clearly a very risky strategy 

But it will work out for the Wild only if Yurov can perform out of the gate + the team does not have any injury in training camp and center position 

So its also very risky for the Wild

[mnfaninnc]

20 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Prediction: Rossi does get an offer sheet prior to season start.  League GM's wait for bill to shoot his shot on 97.  Once they know how much he has left to spend they calibrate their offer sheet.  Verdict: It's the lowest tier, which bill begrudgingly matches

P-capologist, why would a Kaprizov extension affect what Rossi makes this year? We've got some other guys coming off the books at the end of the year and a raising cap to take care of Rossi after the year. 

The 2 are not tied to each other contract wise. But if Rossi gets and signs a low tier offer, it'll just get matched. If he signs something over $7.03/yr. I think Shooter lets him go, and banks the unprotected draft picks.

So P-scout, which team do you think bites on the offersheet?

[goenzoy]

29 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Once they know how much he has left to spend they calibrate their offer sheet. 

How should that work ? 

First Kaprisov doesn't need a contract for upcoming season 

So it would make sense only if offersheet will be done for at least 2 years. Also I do believe that Kaprisov is not in any rush to sign 

He might do only in 2026 before trade deadline 

[mnfaninnc]

I think this is a big year for Rossi. It's a prove it year for him. Perhaps there's disappointment after not getting a big contract? Take that as motivation. Show Shooter he needs to sign you longterm. 

Even if he is on a 2 year bridge deal, he can get his extension next summer. 

One way not to show Shooter he needs you is to hold out from training camp. If Rossi has a down year, this will only confirm that belief that he has peaked. I don't buy any of this holdout stuff. It's clearly not in the best interest of the team or the player. 

Maybe the contract goes down to right before training camp, but I think Shooter's offer is still on the table and Rossi with almost 0 leverage will have to sign it. Perhaps he negotiates up $250k to save face, but, he's pretty well stuck with around $5m longterm or less on a bridge deal. 

[goenzoy]

3 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Perhaps he negotiates up $250k to save face, but, he's pretty well stuck with around $5m longterm or less on a bridge deal. 

Well how can't that be true ? Yes Rossi does have little options for upcoming season and also needs to sign $4.8 on one or two year bridge.

But with another 60 to 70 point season he clearly plays in $7 m category

[Pewterschmidt]

20 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

But if Rossi gets and signs a low tier offer, it'll just get matched. If he signs something over $7.03/yr. I think Shooter lets him go, and banks the unprotected draft picks.

We are in complete agreement

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, goenzoy said:

But with another 60 to 70 point season he clearly plays in $7 m category

Exactly. If he signs a 2 year bridge deal at, say $4.5m, he can negotiate next summer for a longterm extension to start in '27. Or, the Wild can trade him. But, after that bridge deal, he'll have arbitration leverage & offersheet leverage. 

And, if he puts up another 60-70 pt. season in '25, I'll be on the bandwagon for a longterm deal.

Edited August 13 by mnfaninnc

[Pewterschmidt]

3 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

League GM's wait for bill to shoot his shot on 97.  Once they know how much he has left to spend they calibrate their offer sheet.

But P-Knuckle that sure seems like a mean thing for another GM to do to bill.  Why would they do that?  So bill has to pay more for Rossi than he wants to leaving him less $ to sign add'l players.  Less buyers in the market leads to lower market prices for other GM's with cash to spend.  That sounds like 3-D chess P-Oria.  Yep, meanwhile thin skin bill talks tough and plays marbles.

#itsstillbusiness

#mostruthlesslyefficient+smartdecisions=win

Edited August 13 by Pewterschmidt

[goenzoy]

2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

And, if he puts up another 60-70 pt. season in '25, I'll be on the bandwagon for a longterm deal.

Yeah but the time has past for a long term deal with the Wild and I doubt 4.5 mil will do the job .5 mil and above maybe 

[Rutters91]

I really dont think Rossi sits out.  It doesn't seem to be in his character, and it would be just as bad for him as it would be for the team.

[goenzoy]

28 minutes ago, Rutters91 said:

I really dont think Rossi sits out.  It doesn't seem to be in his character, and it would be just as bad for him as it would be for the team.

Agree with your assessment but what option does he have ? 

There is no way  to sign 5 times 5 million contract .

And also 2 year bridge with even lower money is not really a good option 

particularly when John Hynes remains as a coach

[goenzoy]

28 minutes ago, Rutters91 said:

I really dont think Rossi sits out.  It doesn't seem to be in his character, and it would be just as bad for him as it would be for the team.

Agree with your assessment but what option does he have ? 

There is no way  to sign 5 times 5 million contract .

And also 2 year bridge with even lower money is not really a good option 

particularly when John Hynes remains as a coach

[FredJohnson]

8 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Verdict: It's the lowest tier, which bill begrudgingly matches. 

Yep. Brilliant Billy.

[Scalptrash]

15 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

Yep. Brilliant Billy.

C'mon, this is Billy now, after he ate Marco.

 

How many of you work for free? No contract, no play. Everyone says it hurts Rossi more, I disagree. The Wild have nothing in place to replace 60 points...nothing. No Rossi, no equivalent replacement, no playoffs. 

EDIT: No playoffs, no Billy and no John. His job literally depends on it, probably second round or bust.

Edited August 14 by Scalptrash

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

C'mon, this is Billy now, after he ate Marco.

😂😂😂😂😂

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

How many of you work for free? No contract, no play. Everyone says it hurts Rossi more, I disagree. The Wild have nothing in place to replace 60 points...nothing. No Rossi, no equivalent replacement, no playoffs.

I agree. If my employer is destroying my career then wants to pay me less than market value, I’d get away from them, too. 
Can Rossi play in a European league if he refuses a deal from Billy?

[Pewterschmidt]

17 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

Yep. Brilliant Billy.

This pic brings me back to a simpler time.  bill cut off the dead wood (Suter, parise, stall, etc) and it was a new beginning.  7 years later we’ve got new dead wood + 3-5 prospects who we hope start this season in the starting lineup (and stay in lineup all season).   Is the wait finally over?

[SkolWild73]

12 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

I agree. If my employer is destroying my career then wants to pay me less than market value, I’d get away from them, too. 
Can Rossi play in a European league if he refuses a deal from Billy?

He can, but the Wild would still hold his rights.  It would be career suicide I believe.

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

C'mon, this is Billy now, after he ate Marco.

 

How many of you work for free? No contract, no play. Everyone says it hurts Rossi more, I disagree. The Wild have nothing in place to replace 60 points...nothing. No Rossi, no equivalent replacement, no playoffs. 

EDIT: No playoffs, no Billy and no John. His job literally depends on it, probably second round or bust.

Hilarious post.  Only suggestion I’d make is that Billy ate John King 

[goenzoy]

16 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

Can Rossi play in a European league if he refuses a deal from Billy?

Yes Rossi could start playing tomorrow in Switzerland without major problem 

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

How many of you work for free? No contract, no play. Everyone says it hurts Rossi more, I disagree. The Wild have nothing in place to replace 60 points...nothing. No Rossi, no equivalent replacement, no playoffs. 

EDIT: No playoffs, no Billy and no John. His job literally depends on it, probably second round or bust.

There's free, and there's a few million dollars. Nobody is asking Rossi to play for free, even the QO is about $1m. That's not free for 90% of the population. 

You keep pushing a narrative that says Guerin is on a hot seat. He just completed a run of 4/5 playoff years with a significant cap penalty. I would suggest that this narrative is way off base and that the owner, his boss, is very happy with the job he has done. As fans, we may not like not having a contender for this season, but his boss is happy. 

Do you have evidence that says that Guerin's seat is hot and he's in trouble?

[mnfaninnc]

18 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

Can Rossi play in a European league if he refuses a deal from Billy?

Yes he can. He can play in Europe or in the K. Those would be his options until he's 27, pretty much destroying his NHL career, and the higher earnings that come from that. It is highly doubtful he will get a $4.5m contract in either Europe (Swedish league) or the K. The money's in the N.