Article: Can Marco Rossi Build On His Playoff Performance?

[SkolWild73]

2 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Rossi even spending time with Joe Thornton in Switzerland last week 

For what purpose I dont know 

It was reported working on face offs.

[goenzoy]

4 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

It was reported working on face offs.

Ok you know more then me then 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

5 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Rossi even spending time with Joe Thornton in Switzerland last week 

For what purpose I dont know 

Trying to get better at faceoffs, as was indicated by the Athletic? Thornton won over 54% in the part of his career where faceoff wins were tracked, finishing over 56% in six different seasons.

[goenzoy]

3 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

were tracked, finishing over 56% in six different seasons

Well with all the Rossi talk it would be nice to hear also something about Kaprisov.I don't buy this its a "done deal" 

[SkolWild73]

36 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Well with all the Rossi talk it would be nice to hear also something about Kaprisov.I don't buy this its a "done deal" 

Maybe not, but doubtful anything is done until he gets back from Russia.

[hydguy75]

Chipping here from the jury bin because I do not know specifics, could Rossi and BG reach a middle point being $5m x 2-3 years, with some sort of performance based compensation tacked on?  It seems that BG thinks Rossi' isn't valuable, or at least doesn't want to pay him 2C going rates.  Rossi seems to think he's worth more and given a bad rap.  Or would this be about the same as Rossi taking a $5 x 3 and putting up stats, then getting a more lucrative deal in the follow on contract?  Any rate, good discussion here from the many perspectives and considerations.  

[Mateo3xm]

8 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Why? You think Rossi wants a contract at $5M and to be a restricted free agent again in 2 years?

I think it's more likely they agree to a 4 or 5 year deal in the $6M neighborhood.

Rossi is effective, but undersized with below average speed, and other teams aren't clamoring to give up assets to pay him more than the Wild are offering.

I’ve posted this before but maybe you didn’t see it..

“He is in the 75th percentile for top skating speed and the 89th percentile for skating distance. The Austrian native is only 23 and is already faster than 80% of the league. Along with his skating, he excels in taking accurate shots. He's in the 86th percentile for shooting % and is in the 85th percentile for goals scored.”

 

-Jordan Manny Preds line 

[1Brotherbill]

This is just low hanging fruit.

The Wild want to keep Rossi just not at his agents price tag.  It's all good and fine for Rossi and his agent to want more money but at the end of the day they have to sign a contract either with the Wild or sign an offer sheet.  Since the teams that have compensation picks haven't offered Rossi an offer sheet that means that nobody else is willing to pay the money Rossi wants.  

What that money value is we don't' know. I'm thinking Rossi wants more than 7 million.  So who can afford that and has the picks to give as compensation.  12 teams can offer Rossi more than 7.021 million to 9.360 million a year, Anahein, Boston, Calgary, Chicago, LA, Detroit, Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Utah, and Philadelphia. Of those teams listed above only, Chicago, Anaheim, Calgary, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Nashville have money to pay Rossi over 7 million.  And Pittsuburgh and Detroit have full contact allotments. 

So, we are down to four teams that can sign Rossi and give the picks to Minnesota as compensation, Chicago, Anaheim, Calgary, and Nashville.  Chicago and Anaheim are probably not going to go that route being the three picks they would have to give up are probably going to be high in the round.  Nashville is probably looking to rebuild being the great experiment from last year was a disaster.  That leaves Calgary as the only team that will give Rossi an offer sheet.  Since it hasn't come it probably won't come.  

That means the Wild can sign Rossi to the Qualifying offer sheet or negotiate a longer contract.  Even if Rossi takes the one year Qualifying offer sheet he is still a RFA next summer and this all will happen again because he is under control until the summer of 2029.  

Rossi should ask for a three year deal at 6 million a year.  Play out the contract and then go into his Free Agency period.  If he performs he will get paid what he wants.  If he doesn't well that is on his.  The Wild appear to want to pay him 5 million, which is fare for a young RFA.  

At the end of the day he has to deal with Minnesota or not play in the NHL this year.  Even with that he is still under control by Minnesota until the summer of 2029. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

Rossi will not get more than a 2 year $4.5mm deal from the Wild, then be traded by midseason if he does sign.  If he wants more it will have to be from someone else.  Look for Rakell from Pitt, Zacha from Boston, Anderson from Calgary, Terry from Anaheim (no to Mctavish).  Each one of these guys will cost Rossi plus pick or prospect.  His value is not what people think. A fair trade would be from Detroit for Danielson straight up for Rossi. Danielson is a promising risk but worth it.  Sometimes as a GM you have to take a risk to get a 1C

[SkolWild73]

48 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Rossi will not get more than a 2 year $4.5mm deal from the Wild, then be traded by midseason if he does sign.  If he wants more it will have to be from someone else.  Look for Rakell from Pitt, Zacha from Boston, Anderson from Calgary, Terry from Anaheim (no to Mctavish).  Each one of these guys will cost Rossi plus pick or prospect.  His value is not what people think. A fair trade would be from Detroit for Danielson straight up for Rossi. Danielson is a promising risk but worth it.  Sometimes as a GM you have to take a risk to get a 1C

Danielson might become a really good player but Billy has been pretty clear that he isn’t doing a trade that will make the team worse this year.  Trading for a prospect with zero nhl experience for Rossi probably won’t happen.  

[mnhockeyfan03]

8 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Danielson might become a really good player but Billy has been pretty clear that he isn’t doing a trade that will make the team worse this year.  Trading for a prospect with zero nhl experience for Rossi probably won’t happen.  

Dont think the team will get worse if Danielson is ready and we get years on a ELC.  We are not contending this year anyway.  If we could get Danielson, Roslovic, kuzenetsov and Rakell we might have a better team to have a fighting chance but we need 3 more top forwards we don’t have and need to get bigger on D

[Imyourhuckleberry]

11 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

“He is in the 75th percentile for top skating speed and the 89th percentile for skating distance. The Austrian native is only 23 and is already faster than 80% of the league. Along with his skating, he excels in taking accurate shots. He's in the 86th percentile for shooting % and is in the 85th percentile for goals scored.”

That's not what NHL Edge is showing. His chart looks similar to Brock Boeser.

This is Rossi compared to average skater according to NHL Edge.

Top Speed (mph)	21.27	21.67	Below 50th
22+ mph bursts	0	0.9
20-22 mph bursts	3	15.1	Below 50th
18-20 mph bursts	27	62.3	Below 50th

Where does the information you had come from?

[SkolWild73]

9 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Dont think the team will get worse if Danielson is ready and we get years on a ELC.  We are not contending this year anyway.  If we could get Danielson, Roslovic, kuzenetsov and Rakell we might have a better team to have a fighting chance but we need 3 more top forwards we don’t have and need to get bigger on D

I understand what you are saying, but that is gambling that Danielson is ready to play this year.  Also, if we would add the other 3 players you are mentioning, who are the three forwards they are replacing?

[SkolWild73]

29 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

That's not what NHL Edge is showing. His chart looks similar to Brock Boeser.

This is Rossi compared to average skater according to NHL Edge.

Top Speed (mph)	21.27	21.67	Below 50th
22+ mph bursts	0	0.9
20-22 mph bursts	3	15.1	Below 50th
18-20 mph bursts	27	62.3	Below 50th

Where does the information you had come from?

Guessing he was looking at his regular season stats and not his postseason stats like you used.  His regular season stats are this:

Top Speed (mph)	22.81	22.18	75
22+ mph bursts	1	3.7	Below 50th
20-22 mph bursts	99	72.8	69
18-20 mph bursts	505	325.6	75

[bisopher]

37 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Guessing he was looking at his regular season stats and not his postseason stats like you used.  His regular season stats are this:

Top Speed (mph)	22.81	22.18	75
22+ mph bursts	1	3.7	Below 50th
20-22 mph bursts	99	72.8	69
18-20 mph bursts	505	325.6	75

That validates the point that Rossi "wasn't himself" in the playoffs. Was it the shot he took in the knee late in the season, just overall fatigue,  or ???

 

[SkolWild73]

4 minutes ago, bisopher said:

That validates the point that Rossi "wasn't himself" in the playoffs. Was it the shot he took in the knee late in the season, just overall fatigue,  or ???

 

Not really.   They use totals for this, so even players such as Boldy and Kap are below 50% in the playoffs and someone like Trent Frederick from Edmonton is well above for the playoffs.

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, SkolWild73 said:

I understand what you are saying, but that is gambling that Danielson is ready to play this year.  Also, if we would add the other 3 players you are mentioning, who are the three forwards they are replacing?

Yes it’s gambling but worth the risk.  For those other players replace Rossi, Hartman, Ohgren, Zucc.  Hopefully Billy is also looking at how to address our size on D in the next year by moving on from surgeon and if Zeev performs we can replace Brodin as well. Rossi, Ohgren, Hartman, Zucc, Spurg,  Brodin, Terrasenko.  These players I listed I think have the best chance of not being on the team starting next year which I think is when I think our run could start.  But hopefully Billy is careful how much he pays Kap to be able to build out the team.  

[Pewterschmidt]

2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

That's not what NHL Edge is showing. His chart looks similar to Brock Boeser.

This is Rossi compared to average skater according to NHL Edge.

Top Speed (mph)	21.27	21.67	Below 50th
22+ mph bursts	0	0.9
20-22 mph bursts	3	15.1	Below 50th
18-20 mph bursts	27	62.3	Below 50th

Where does the information you had come from?

This data syncs better with my Rossi speed eye test.  Not a sloth, but not a burner either.  He may be quick, but not fast

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

This data syncs better with my Rossi speed eye test.  Not a sloth, but not a burner either.  He may be quick, but not fast

Agree Rossi speed first 10 steps is not good and that’s what matters for separation when the game gets tight in the playoffs and teams check.  If he circles and does crossovers to build up his speed he is fine but that’s not what matters.  That’s why he will be better playing on an east team where there is less checking so he has more space to work with.  At his size he needs Elite speed but he doesn’t have close to that. 

[Mateo3xm]

6 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

That's not what NHL Edge is showing. His chart looks similar to Brock Boeser.

This is Rossi compared to average skater according to NHL Edge.

Top Speed (mph)	21.27	21.67	Below 50th
22+ mph bursts	0	0.9
20-22 mph bursts	3	15.1	Below 50th
18-20 mph bursts	27	62.3	Below 50th

Where does the information you had come from?

Jordan Manny-Preds line. No idea where he got it from but I have a hard time believing he pulled it out of his keister. Like someone else said I’m sure Manny got it from his regular season stats which is better because it’s a larger sample size. I don’t think Rossi was 100% in the playoffs and it was his first playoff series ever in the nhl. That first one is a huge learning experience. Kaprizov and boldy both struggled in their first playoffs.

This was an article earlier in the season when they were talking about trading Rossi. A beat writer on the preds was saying how they should target him.

[Dean]

The wild shouldn’t have devalued Rossi and traded him.  He is to small!! Ek , Rossi and Hartman can’t go up against Florida . It would be an ass kicking . Florida is the standard of where we need to get to an another undersized weak player isn’t going to do it . The wild told the nhl they think he’s too weak and small for playoffs and the rest of nhl took notice. No one wants a weak undersized 2c . Hence no offer sheets or trade. Yet the fans of a team that can’t win shit want an undersized 2c because they know what it takes to win nothing . 
   Honestly when are people Going to start looking at this team as to what  can it do in playoffs versus reg season stats. You have to beat other teams to win the cup. Little kids holding daddy’s hockey stick doesn’t win cups. This team is so undersized and weak it’s never going anywhere except for fist round exits after it barely squeaks into playoffs.  Oh but future is bright because some jack ass made a list. Someone should do a story on how those stupid lists actually translate to winning cups. They f ing don’t. They give hope to the hopeless fools that believe them 

[Pewterschmidt]

Just finished watching FIN beat SWE at Ridder.  Here’s P-tanks scouting report:  kivijarhu looks like he’ll have a spurgeon ceiling.  Very little offense but on ice in all situations and captain so he’s clearly good.  He’s tiny though.  Spurgeon tiny. 
 

Sioni also played.  Bigger than kivu but didn’t bring much else.  

[Pewterschmidt]

Just now, Pewterschmidt said:

Just finished watching FIN beat SWE at Ridder.  Here’s P-tanks scouting report:  kivijarhu looks like he’ll have a spurgeon ceiling.  Very little offense but on ice in all situations and captain so he’s clearly good.  He’s tiny though.  Spurgeon tiny. 
 

Sioni also played.  Bigger than kivu but didn’t bring much else.  

Sioni = scandella

[SkolWild73]

17 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Jordan Manny-Preds line. No idea where he got it from but I have a hard time believing he pulled it out of his keister. Like someone else said I’m sure Manny got it from his regular season stats which is better because it’s a larger sample size. I don’t think Rossi was 100% in the playoffs and it was his first playoff series ever in the nhl. That first one is a huge learning experience. Kaprizov and boldy both struggled in their first playoffs.

This was an article earlier in the season when they were talking about trading Rossi. A beat writer on the preds was saying how they should target him.

Also, those Edge stats are deceiving for the playoffs, considering they are using total bursts above 22, 20-22 and 18-20.  Someone playing 6 games is going to have a hard time reaching the average, when half of the players are playing 12 games and more, even more so when they play 66 total minutes.  The average for 22+ was 0.9, 20-22 was 15.1 and 18-20 was 62.3 for the playoffs.

No Wild player was even close to 50%.  

[SkolWild73]

32 minutes ago, Dean said:

Hence no offer sheets or trade

I have said this before, but it is worth repeating.  You re correct, nobody has extended Rossi an offer sheet.  So many seem to say that it is because the rest of the league doesn't think he is worth it.  So that must mean last year that Seth Jarvis, Lucas Raymond, and Matthew Beniers who were not signed by their team until August and September and did not receive an offer sheet were not worth one either.  Or Trevor Zegras the year before who didn't sign until October.  Or all the other players that did not get offer sheets in the last bunch of years.

Maybe it has more to do that GM's just don't use offer sheets on players that they know the team that holds their rights has the money to sign.

Edited August 2 by SkolWild73